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[Siegcram]

Outside the Jesus pose, I doubt most noticed it.

Come on.

 

[lmpaler]

How is that even possible?

I am not a religious person in the slightest. I get the whole "He will be a GOD to them" that Crowe said in the beginning of the movie, but I took it more as him being a superhero and practically immortal(thus having a god-like aura) vs. being Jesus Christ incarnate

 

[- J - D -]

Outside the Jesus pose, I doubt most noticed it.

edit: beaten lol

 

[Mr. Poolman]

Outside the Jesus pose, I doubt most noticed it.

The church scene pulled a few groans on my screening.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Never even noticed the Jesus angle in this movie lol.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

I mean, COME ON

 

[BadAss2961]

Who gives a fuck if you watched Raid 2! That's a martial arts movie. Another genre entirely. Talk about being in the realm of ridiculous fighting.

Read his post again. Tell me what movie is mentioned.

 

[lmpaler]

Honestly never made the connection until this thread

 

[BadAss2961]

Come on.

He's in a church. I doubt most people were going lol Superman is Jesus.

I didn't even catch that the first time I saw the movie.

 

[Mighty Chin]

Now you're just trolling

If I said Hulk vs Poodle that would be trolling.

Abomination fight was a great slugfest. Dodgy CGI aside.

And he didn't kill him either.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Never even noticed the Jesus angle in this movie lol. I enjoyed it for what it was, not a huge Superman fan though(I actually dislike him), but the movie was enjoyable

EDIT: Beaten like Zack Snyder's sense of subtlety.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Abomination fight was a great slugfest. Dodgy CGI aside.

 

[Siegcram]

He's in a church. I doubt most people were going lol Superman is Jesus.

I didn't even catch that the first time I saw the movie.

Fucking Jesus is in the background for the whole shot! Are you really gonna sit there and say this is anything less than Snyder jumping out of the screen yelling "Do you get IT?!?"

FFS quit being obtuse.

 

[Anton Sugar]

He's in a church. I doubt most people were going lol Superman is Jesus.

I didn't even catch that the first time I saw the movie.

They were snickers in my theatre.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

What makes it worse is that the scene is, ultimately, unneccessary. You could lose it completely and there wouldn't be a hiccup in regards to the plot.

 

[Manu]

My girlfriend actually said "Go, my son, go back to Earth on your Jesus pose!" in this scene.

 

[Mengy]

He's in a church. I doubt most people were going lol Superman is Jesus.

I didn't even catch that the first time I saw the movie.

Clark also says he is 33 years old, the same age that Jesus was when he was crucified.

 

[Anton Sugar]

What makes it worse is that the scene is, ultimately, unneccessary. You could lose it completely and there wouldn't be a hiccup in regards to the plot.

When in doubt, always go for a third father figure.

 

[inm8num2]

Jesus: Kryptonian or Engineer?

 

[Bobby Roberts]

My girlfriend actually said "Go, my son, go back to Earth on your Jesus pose!" in this scene.

The S is for Soundgarden.

 

[BadAss2961]

Clark also says he is 33 years old, the same age that Jesus was when he was crucified.

I know all this. But only those who've dissected the movie could even remember Clark's age to make the connection.

 

[Manu]

I know all this. But only those who've dissected the movie could even remember Clark's age to make the connection.

I picked it up on my first watch. It's in the OP.

 

[TUROK]

And a CGI slugfest doesn't hide anything?

Thanks, I'll take the actors(stuntmen) actually in a scene than the alternative.

Not in Man of Steel it didn't. Yeah, it used a lot of CG elements, but everything flowed so damn smooth.

It was still worlds beyond the Bourne shake-fests. Come on now.
Winter Soldier wasn't Matrix/Raid level choreography but still better than 99% of other action movies.

I'd take it over MoS, but that may be personal preference more than anything else.

I don't mind shaky-cam in and of itself, but when it's paired with quick cutting, it looks pretty awful, so yeah, it's nowhere as bad as the Bourne Supremacy or Ultimatum.

I liked the MoS fights better simply because they looked more impressive to me. Still, it isn't the best of comparisons, given how different they are, but I wasn't the one who started comparing them.

lol at the unnecessary knife flip. I'm sure you can sell Winter Soldier better than that.

That knife flip is badass, man. Probably my favorite moment in the whole movie.

I have my own issues with MoS's action scenes, but agree, they are very different from MoS

Spoiler

because they're better...mostly because TWS, as a movie, is better and the action does more to drive the rest of the story/characters forward.

The bolded is an assumption, though. There are three components to most action scenes:

• The choreography/performance
• The way it was shot
• The way it was edited

Just because you cannot see some of the choreography does not mean there was no choreography. I agree that some films DO use shaky cam/choppy editing to hide a lot of flaws, but choreography is not purely a means of conveying action; it can be a consideration when deciding how a scene is shot and edited. Having a wide angle of the action is not always the best course to take if you are trying to convey a specific feeling or attitude.

Generally, I really don't like "shaky" cam because it can be a crutch and has been all the rage lately (although it's not a new phenomena)...but I found myself loving TWS's action. TWS happens to have many different types of action scenes. Some are shot shaky, some less so; some are wide, some tight; etc.

There is a very small detail that made me think that TWS knew what it was doing. In the scene after Fury is shot, Cap is chasing the shooter. As he's making his way up to the rooftop, he is running through a hall and leaps to a desk and bounds off of it with the kick of his leg, out of frame. The camera doesn't just shakily follow him--the camera operator actually kind of follows the leg/foot that bounds off the desk.

It is a small detail but added clarity and energy to how Cap was moving. It's "frenetic" done right. The editing complements the camera which complements the choreography which complements the store/scene/mood.

All IMO, of course.

Of course, I never insinuated that the movie had no choreography whatsoever, hence why I used the word extensive. Even then, it is still an assumption on my part.

Well, you can keep a close-up shot and refrain from cutting after every punch hits. I noticed that the fight scene that had the least amount of quick cuts was the one where Cap is fighting Georges St-Pierre, and in this he has his helmet on for most of the fight, thus being able to obscure the use of a stunt actor much better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHh0XaW0UyQ

Quick cutting is done for many reasons. Sometimes to convey lots of visual information in a short span of time, other times to hide "flaws" in the way it was filmed. Stuff like the aforementioned fight scene make me think they use them so heavily because they're trying to hide the use of stunt actors as well as the lack of extensive fight choreography done by the main actors.

Of course, this is all just an assumption on my part.

Who gives a fuck if you watched Raid 2! That's a martial arts movie. Another genre entirely. Talk about being in the realm of ridiculous fighting.

You do realize that the fight scenes in TWS were directly inspired by the ones in The Raid, right?

 

[BadAss2961]

I picked it up on my first watch. It's in the OP.

And i've been through a lot of these threads, and this is the first time I can remember multiple people bringing it up, even when discussing the Jesus references. It's because it's in the OP.

 

[Siegcram]

I know all this. But only those who've dissected the movie could even remember Clark's age to make the connection.

I've seen it once. Everyone who was half awake during that movie should pick up on it.

And I remember bringing it up in previous LTTP threads.

 

[PhantomZone]

Hated it, it felt more like an alien invasion movie more than a comic book superhero movie (with Superman being a cameo appearance), it reminded me too much of being in the Transformers style...... too much cgi, not enough fleshed out story.

The scripting was cringe-worthy throughout the film, so many dull and corny lines. You can say this about the 78 film............. but that film had heart and soul throughout. Man of Steel just went through the motions trying to find it's identity and never being able to do so.

And as i keep saying in Man of Steel topics, when you care more for the film's villain than you do the good guy/hero of the story then you are doing something wrong as the writer. The best part of the film was Zod saying: Look at this. We could have built a new Krypton in this squalor, but you chose the humans over us. I exist only to protect Krypton. That is the sole purpose for which I was born. And every action I take, no matter how violent, or how cruel, is for the greater good of my people. And now, I have no people. My soul…that is what you have taken from me!. That passage was the best part of the film for me. Everything else BIG THUMBS DOWN.

I have no hope for Superman vs Batman and think it's the wrong idea to copy Marvel's blueprint.



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[Sibersk Esto]

Hated it, it felt more like an alien invasion movie more than a comic book superhero movie (with Superman being a cameo appearance), it reminded me too much of being in the Transformers style...... too much cgi, not enough fleshed out story.

The scripting was cringe-worthy throughout the film, so many dull and corny lines. You can say this about the 78 film............. but that film had heart and soul throughout. Man of Steel just went through the motions trying to find it's identity and never being able to do so.

And as i keep saying in Man of Steel topics, when you care more for the film's villain than you do the good guy/hero of the story then you are doing something wrong as the writer. The best part of the film was Zod saying: Look at this. We could have built a new Krypton in this squalor, but you chose the humans over us. I exist only to protect Krypton. That is the sole purpose for which I was born. And every action I take, no matter how violent, or how cruel, is for the greater good of my people. And now, I have no people. My soul…that is what you have taken from me!. That passage was the best part of the film for me. Everything else BIG THUMBS DOWN.

I have no hope for Superman vs Batman and think it's the wrong idea to copy Marvel's blueprint.



[/I]

Yeah but Zod was a monster

...

and Superman was gonna stop him

 

[KillGore]

Loved it

One of the best comic book hero movies I've seen. The best superman I've seen in the media.

 

[Shamrock7r]

And i've been through a lot of these threads, and this is the first time I can remember multiple people bringing it up, even when discussing the Jesus references. It's because it's in the OP.

The scene in the church was not subtle one bit. You can't even argue this. I mean.. you really have to be zoned out while watching the movie to not see the connection that is being beaten into your brain.

 

[Anton Sugar]

And as i keep saying in Man of Steel topics, when you care more for the film's villain than you do the good guy/hero of the story then you are doing something wrong as the writer. The best part of the film was Zod saying: Look at this. We could have built a new Krypton in this squalor, but you chose the humans over us. I exist only to protect Krypton. That is the sole purpose for which I was born. And every action I take, no matter how violent, or how cruel, is for the greater good of my people. And now, I have no people. My soul…that is what you have taken from me!. That passage was the best part of the film for me. Everything else BIG THUMBS DOWN.

Zod had way more motivation and complexity compared to Supes, and Zod wasn't even that memorable. That's how poor the Superman character is in this.

 

[Mr. Poolman]

And i've been through a lot of these threads, and this is the first time I can remember multiple people bringing it up, even when discussing the Jesus references. It's because it's in the OP.

Are you seriously hinting that we are picking the Jesus reference because the OP mentions it? come on man, it was so goddamn evident!, in fact it surprises me more that someone who claims to love the movie as much as you do, didn't pick the whole Superjesus on your 1st viewing.

 

[BadAss2961]

I've seen it once. Everyone who was half awake during that movie should pick up on it.

This is bullshit because most people don't even know The Bible that well.

Are you seriously hinting that we are picking the Jesus reference because the OP mentions it? come on man, it was so goddamn evident!, in fact it surprises me more that someone who claims to love the movie as much as you do, didn't pick the whole Superjesus on your 1st viewing.

Of course I picked up on it. It was the church scene that went over my head the first time.

 

[Siegcram]

This is bullshit because most people don't even know The Bible that well.

Don't project your own ignorance onto others.

And if you don't make the connection with the age, there are another million hamfisted "metaphors".

 

[TUROK]

Zod had way more motivation and complexity compared to Supes, and Zod wasn't even that memorable. That's how poor the Superman character is in this.

The very first half of the movie establishes Clark Kent as someone who is trying to find his place in the world, who drifts from place to place trying to find where he fits in.

So you can go ahead and say that Superman had less motivation than Zod... But that's literally the point of his character arc.

 

[Mengy]

This is bullshit because most people don't even know The Bible that well.

Of course I picked up on it. It was the church scene that went over my head the first time.

I think you seriously underestimate just how religious / Jesus / Bible centric MoS was to the majority of movie goers. My gf picked up on it, my brother, many of my friends also thought it was over the top. It's actually a common complaint about MoS.

 

[PhantomZone]

Zod had way more motivation and complexity compared to Supes, and Zod wasn't even that memorable. That's how poor the Superman character is in this.

Agreed

Yeah but Zod was a monster


and Superman was gonna stop him

:-D

That's the other thing that grated on me, Henry has the Superman look............ but not the acting chops to pull off being a strong protector :-/. I cringed during the opening of the Smallville fight sequence when he told people to "get inside, it's not safe" in a whispered tone...... he didn't sound like someone in authority.

People say to excuse it because it's the debut of this Superman...... he's not supposed to be strong and confident (ie: he's weak and unsure of himself) but for me i can't see past bad acting.

 

[BadAss2961]

Don't project your own ignorance onto others.

And if you don't make the connection with the age, there are another million hamfisted "metaphors".

When did this even become about me?

Responding directly to a guy that missed all of it, I said I doubt most people noticed the reference outside the Jesus pose anyway. Do you really think the average moviegoer saw it much differently?

 

[Siegcram]

When did this even become about me?

Responding directly to a guy that missed all of it, I said I doubt most people noticed the reference outside the Jesus pose anyway. Do you really think the average moviegoer saw it much differently?

Given it was at least mentioned in every review I read/heard and everyone I know who saw it, talked about it with varying degrees of annoyance, I'd say it was fairly obvious to the average moviegoer, yes.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I have no hope for Superman vs Batman and think it's the wrong idea to copy Marvel's blueprint

Good thing they're not doing that then, right?

We're gonna have to add "copy Marvel's blueprint" to the hashtag list of meaningless cliche complaints here pretty soon, aren't we.

#bloated #trainwreck #clusterfuck

 

[TUROK]

Given it was at least mentioned in every review I read/heard and everyone I know who saw it, talked about it with varying degrees of annoyance, I'd say it was fairly obvious to the average moviegoer, yes.

Critics who are paid to scrutinize movies and the people you know... Hell of a sample size.

 

[Anton Sugar]

The very first half of the movie establishes Clark Kent as someone who is trying to find his place in the world, who drifts from place to place trying to find where he fits in.

So you can go ahead and say that Superman had less motivation than Zod... But that's literally the point of his character arc.

That's fine, but his arc basically goes nowhere. He's been doing "good" for humans since he was young and was only hiding it because of his dad (asshole).

 

[Siegcram]

Critics who are paid to scrutinize movies and the people you know... Hell of a sample size.

His was one poster in here, so ...

 

[BadAss2961]

Given it was at least mentioned in every review I read/heard and everyone I know who saw it, talked about it with varying degrees of annoyance, I'd say it was fairly obvious to the average moviegoer, yes.

Well, to be annoyed by this as well as claim that MoS didn't understand Superman is pretty ridiculous considering his biblical origins in the first place.

 

[Mr. Poolman]

Well, this movie is very polarizing.

Some people really despise it.
Some people (somehow) found illumination on it.

But I think we all can agree that the OST is really really good.
Man of Steel OST

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

I really enjoyed the movie.

 

[Mengy]

Well, this movie is very polarizing.

Some people really despise it.
Some people (somehow) found illumination on it.

I don't hate the movie, but it saddens me to think of the potential of what it could have been with only a mild script rewrite and a few directional changes. This could have potentially been the best Superman movie ever, now it's just ... not.

 

[Plywood]

dat live action dbz
dat faora da gawdess swagger

best superman movie

inb4 lex_luthor.wrong

supes return sucked

 

[Discotheque]

It was still worlds beyond the Bourne shake-fests. Come on now.
Winter Soldier wasn't Matrix/Raid level choreography but still better than 99% of other action movies.

I'd take it over MoS, but that may be personal preference more than anything else.

captain america should have slapped that knife away when winter soldier was doing that fuckery.

great action in that film tho, the best movie marvel studios has put out (and ever will put out until at least cap 3 i'm guessing)

 

[Mighty Chin]

I don't hate the movie, but it saddens me to think of the potential of what it could have been with only a mild script rewrite and a few directional changes. This could have potentially been the best Superman movie ever, now it's just ... not.

I always feel like I'm ragging on the film and I probably am. I'm more disappointed than anything. This movie is so full of wrong. It could have been sooo much better.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I always feel like I'm ragging on the film and I probably am. .

You abso-fuckin-lutely are