"yep that's Ridley"
Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread XI: Where 90% correct equals 100% wrong
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"yep that's Ridley"
Smash has a history of catering to the Japanese players with Marth/Roy in Melee and Lucas in Brawl. Sakurai has shown with Little Mac that he's willing to cater towards a western audience a bit this time around so I don't think Duck Hunt Dog would be totally unbelievable.
All the Ice Climbers have going for them is the tandem gimmick, and Sakurai cited that as the primary reason for their inclusion in Melee. It's what makes them unique, and it justifies the presence of characters from such a minor IP. The Ice Climbers will be cut entirely before they're gutted like that.
MrSaturn99
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The best part about that is how it all results from some animation they spotted two months later.
Two months.
Freezie KO
Banned
My guesses...
Ridley = stage boss
Shulk = character
K. Rool = who?
Chorus Kids = lulz
Ridley = stage boss
Shulk = character
K. Rool = who?
Chorus Kids = lulz
GIF OF THE DAY: ARE YOU KIDDING ME EDITION
HE BROKE A FULL SHIELD WITH ONE DOWN SPECIAL!?
WHHAAAAAAAAT!?
Because everything that's been "said" about Ridley so far has been incredibly ambiguous in a way that no other character de-confirmation has been.
Every single other possible playable character de-confirmation so far has been straight to the point, they all fit in with this quote:
Sakurai said:
I can't see Sakurai saying this and then thinking to himself "I know, I'll dance around and tease the most wanted playable character since Melee as a stage boss, people will love it when I finally announce that!".
And even if he doesn't think that he's being ambiguous, he either would have just shown him already because it's no big deal or he would have noticed the amount of speculation that's going on and killed the rumor to stop people from getting their hopes up.
Someone compared his shadow to Bowser, DK and Pikachu's shadows on pyrosphere and came up with a possible range of sizes for Ridley based on the shadow and the brief glimpse of his tail we get, neither of the sizes are too big to be a playable character.
Starphoenix
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Guess I should log in and see what's going on.
Bowser OP dawg
I hope you weren't off put by my tone or post content, that wasn't my intent. I was just trying to logically explain the potential issues with your suggestion that's all.
I understand and can appreciate your disappointment if an entry in a beloved series is not to your liking. I just want you to keep in mind that you (& everybody with your exact viewpoint) are NOT the only source of feedback he is receiving and that a developer always has to decide what feedback they are to take to heart, which feedback they must deny, the reasons why and how that relates to the type of game they are trying to make. It's not an easy job and I don't envy Sakurai and his team. Hopefully the maximum number of audiences can be satisfied with this game
Bow to the Bowser.
GIF OF THE DAY: ARE YOU KIDDING ME EDITION
wow bowser is much stronger now. I can't wait to try him.
GIF OF THE DAY: ARE YOU KIDDING ME EDITION
satanic 😟
oreomunsta
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I'm all for the inclusion of Ridley and others as playable bosses in the Wii U version. Pretty cool idea on Sakurai's behalf if it's true; it's the best fit in my mind for a playable Ridley. It would be pretty mean if he only ends up as a stage boss especially after all of this secrecy around him.
Holy Order Sol
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This is fucking GLORIOUS.
Oh no, it was completely fine man. Your explanation was just so on point that there was no way I could argue against it.
"upon my sweet ass"
(shield your eyes)
NeonZ
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Wasn't ROB also only relevant to North Americans?
Sheik is only in the game due to the now removed transformation gimmick though...
Huh... did you already forget that Brawl had both Ridley and Meta-Ridley as bosses?
Green Mamba
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No, it came out in Japan, though it was called the Famicom Robot instead.
It can certainly be invisible
I understand and can appreciate your disappointment if an entry in a beloved series is not to your liking. I just want you to keep in mind that you (& everybody with your exact viewpoint) are NOT the only source of feedback he is receiving and that a developer always has to decide what feedback they are to take to heart, which feedback they must deny, the reasons why and how that relates to the type of game they are trying to make. It's not an easy job and I don't envy Sakurai and his team. Hopefully the maximum number of audiences can be satisfied with this game
I know and understand this, I've already decided that if sm4sh continues in the same direction as Brawl compared to the rest of the series then I'm done with future Smash games because it's clearly not for me and if two games in a row are like that I can't see the direction changing back towards 64 and Melee.
Maybe stuff will be fixed in patches but I can't really factor that in to my opinion without confirmation on that, but my main concern with Smash 4 currently is the longevity of the game, which I'm imagining is only going to be slightly longer than Brawl, which is just disappointing when you wait so long for something.
He was used as a trojan horse here and is probably best known in the west for "saving" the market, but it's not like he was some totally unheard of peripheral in Japan either. He got referenced in a bunch of Japanese games and Brawl made his default scheme the Famicom Robot instead of R.O.B. as well.
Freezie KO
Banned
I already have an invisible Takamaru amiibo.
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Interestingly, Larry Lurr (the 3DS tourney winner) said the game played like 64.
MaverickHunterAsh
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I can't believe we're only 33 pics of the day away from the Japanese 3DS release, guys.
Crazy. It's been quite a ride.
Crazy. It's been quite a ride.
SoldnerKei
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what if Robin and Lucina are the last additions to the game regarding newcomers?
and that they don't even announce veterans because they want to have them as unblockeables?
I wonder how people would react
and that they don't even announce veterans because they want to have them as unblockeables?
I wonder how people would react
Sheik was always treated as a standalone character, though. She never appeared together with Zelda in-game, and she always had her own HUD name/celebration/etc. Popo and Nana combine to form the character called "Ice Climbers" -- cutting Nana would be like cutting the Luma from Rosalina.
We're at least guaranteed a Rhythm Heaven character thanks to the Sneaky Spirit's presence, so that's 1 more newcomer minimum.
I have noticed that the game does have a lot of callbacks to 64 in terms of mechanics, visuals and music, but 64 was very offense oriented, with probably the worst shielding mechanics in the series whereas the new game is quite the opposite.
64 also had L/Z-cancelling that completely removed landing lag and a lot of very long (relative to the series) combos in the game, which I don't see sm4sh having.
The game plays like 64 in that it's average speed, has no momentum conservation and has high knockback throws, but it's still falling short of a few things (which were the most important things for me).
OricWindstar
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I know, it's crazy how close we are. Hopefully Sakurai keeps the big updates coming to make that wait a little more interesting.
I wouldn't go as far as guaranteed, but it does seem somewhat likely.
Find Mii gets represented as its own universe with its own enemies in Smash Run too, and while you can probably make the case that it's tied to Miis it's still a unique series with Smash Run reps. Rhythm Heaven might just be a set of stages and trophy/item content, kinda like Animal Crossing in Brawl.
No way. They would have chilled out on the character reveals if that were the case.
oreomunsta
Banned
If you look in Sakurai's dictionary, you'll find a peculiar absence. This absence is the word "guarantee" =p
Also the fact that he said they were "nearing" the end of the newcomer videos, not that they'd reached it yet, so it's a pretty pointless hypothetical.
I'd be supremely disappointed with the amount of newcomers if that was true anyway.
Worst part is? Nintendo technically should've had the rights to Rare's IPs when they left. Apparently, blame Howard Lincoln for letting Rare keep those IPs for free out of courtesy to the Stamper Brothers, and blame Hiroshi Yamauchi for being bitter and letting it happen (Melee was also supposed to have trophies for every Rare IP and Grant Kirkhope back as DK's VA, too, but that was also likely Yamauchi & company's doing). Incidentally, the only one of those guys still working in the industry right now is Kirkhope, but it's too late to fix things now.
Granted, with how many IPs Nintendo has to attend to right now, all of those Rare franchises barring Banjo-Kazooie would likely be dead and buried next to F-Zero right now anyway, and it would've had to have been given to someone else, so the series would've been given to, say, Retro right before Metroid Prime, or HAL back when they were pondering where to go next with Kirby, likely putting these franchises in the same purgatorial void BKis in today.. Still, having Orchid or Rash playable or a Conker stage would've been great!
OrangeGrayBlue
Member
How many were you expecting? We have 11 so far.
BassForever
Member
I think it's weird Sakurai hyped up bosses in the smash direct, and has so far still only officially confirmed Yellow Devil, leaving the find mii final boss in a weird limbo where we're still not sure if he's just a background hazard or a boss (powers up the player what?), and Ridley who was clearly teased but continues to not be shown.
ratcliffja
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That's a ton of info but I didn't see anything as outrageous as Duck Hunt dog.
I'd be fine with the number of newcomers if I actually liked more than 6 of them.
Also 11 is a step down from the rest of the series.
Spinosaurus
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We'll probably get another POTD veteran reveal soon if there's only that many left.
OrangeGrayBlue
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Oh, well who do you want that isn't in yet?
I understand and can appreciate your disappointment if an entry in a beloved series is not to your liking. I just want you to keep in mind that you (& everybody with your exact viewpoint) are NOT the only source of feedback he is receiving and that a developer always has to decide what feedback they are to take to heart, which feedback they must deny, the reasons why and how that relates to the type of game they are trying to make. It's not an easy job and I don't envy Sakurai and his team. Hopefully the maximum number of audiences can be satisfied with this game
I would agree with this if it somehow wasn't possible to please both sides. However, it is very easy to please both and clearly Sakurai doesn't care enough about one side to do that. Also this point is brought up literally every time this subject rear it's head. I think everyone here understands where his priorities are.
PadWarrior
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Veteran in 2 weeks I'm guessing
oreomunsta
Banned
No kidding! If we still have majority of vets returning, the roster is huge! Adding 11 more to it was beyond my expectations o__o
OrangeGrayBlue
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You're not being very honest here. If Brawl's final count is 18, you have to say that Smash 4 is currently at 13 to account for different mii types.
K. Rool, Ridley, Isaac, Ray Mk2, Rhythm Heaven Rep, Sukapon, NES Sports Rep, Mach Rider, ExciteBiker, Sami/Andy, Duck Hunt Dog, Mike Jones, Detective Club girl and Bubbles would all be higher on my list than Palutena, Miis, Lucina, Robin and Rosalina.
I generally sway towards older characters, villains and characters whose franchise has no representation, so Palutena, Rosalina, Robin and Lucina are lost on me, whereas I can see why Mii's were included, but I still hate their design and don't think they fit in smash.
Here are my updated roster predictions/expectations:
Takamaru being disconfirmed really threw me off... I replaced him with Dixie Kong (while it may be a long shot, after getting two Fire Emblem newcomers I believe there's a chance we may get both Dixie Kong and King K. Rool), but I'm not feeling very confident now about any newcomers other than Shulk and Chorus Kids. I'm also starting to worry about Mewtwo's chances of returning, and some other Brawl veterans, too. But this is my optimistic roster. Take away six characters (Dixie Kong, King K. Rool, Ridley, Mewtwo, Lucas, and Snake, specifically) and you have my absolute minimum expectation roster. Anything between that and the above roster is what I expect now.
Takamaru being disconfirmed really threw me off... I replaced him with Dixie Kong (while it may be a long shot, after getting two Fire Emblem newcomers I believe there's a chance we may get both Dixie Kong and King K. Rool), but I'm not feeling very confident now about any newcomers other than Shulk and Chorus Kids. I'm also starting to worry about Mewtwo's chances of returning, and some other Brawl veterans, too. But this is my optimistic roster. Take away six characters (Dixie Kong, King K. Rool, Ridley, Mewtwo, Lucas, and Snake, specifically) and you have my absolute minimum expectation roster. Anything between that and the above roster is what I expect now.
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