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This week's Man Of Steel LTTP (spoilers)
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Thatonemoor
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Yeah I'm on the side that hates this movie even though I was hyping the crap out of it for months before it came out. The trailers felt so epic and grand that I knew this movie was going to deliver. But when I finally saw the movie it crashed had and fast. My biggest complaint is that every character is just so boring in the movie. Not a single line said by anyone other then Zod felt like they cared about their characters. And this is really sad for me because I am one of the only people I know (besides my brother) that will defend that superman is one of the most human characters in Comic books. Yes he is a god among men but he also questions himself or what he needs to do next and what is best for the human race. Also he enjoys the small things in life, this scene from the old Justice League TV show sums it up perfectly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnKtEfPBVq0
And this movie makes him just about as interesting as a brick wall. Because of this I didn't care about the movie by the end and I don't care about the sequel that features SHOCKER batman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnKtEfPBVq0
And this movie makes him just about as interesting as a brick wall. Because of this I didn't care about the movie by the end and I don't care about the sequel that features SHOCKER batman.
There's a difference between incorporating parts of the Superman mythos and actively skewing your movie towards christians.
http://www.newsmax.com/Hirsen/Christian-Metaphors-Man-of-Steel-Superman/2013/06/17/id/510265/
It was so unsubtle that I am sure anyone paying attention would've caught it.
It was literally just for the scene where Jor-El spoon feeds us exposition. Lois is there as an earpiece for us.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
I hated all of the Superman movies, even as a child, but I actually quite enjoyed this one. I assume it must be a departure from classic Superman in some way, which is why I like it and the fans hate it.
Worst 3D Blu Ray I have ever seen, there is literally no depth to the image at any point in the whole film.
Worst 3D Blu Ray I have ever seen, there is literally no depth to the image at any point in the whole film.
Anton Sugar
Member
Shoulda snapped her neck for her horrible lesson on evolution.
We need another one for not copying Marvel. Cause WB/DC has somehow managed to do both according to the internet.
Discotheque
Banned
DC will probably give the heroes better motive than avengers to band together, or I fucking hope so at least
So lame how the death of meaningless coulson made them decide to take the fight seriously. Who cared about him aside from stark? And even he didn't really seem to like him much in the iron man movies
So lame how the death of meaningless coulson made them decide to take the fight seriously. Who cared about him aside from stark? And even he didn't really seem to like him much in the iron man movies
Just saw this. Better than I thought and worked well as an alien invasion movie. I thought there was too much destruction though - can't pinpoint why it bothered me, but it didn't sit right with me.
His Dad's death stopped this from being a well-done film from start to finish. Not perfect, but nothing bad about it.
I'm also surprised with how well it was shot, the acting, and the action. I'm now looking forward to BvS more.
But why do Kryptonians look like Humans? Has that ever been explained? Convergent evolution? Same seed spread across galaxy? Engineers? The Chase?
His Dad's death stopped this from being a well-done film from start to finish. Not perfect, but nothing bad about it.
I'm also surprised with how well it was shot, the acting, and the action. I'm now looking forward to BvS more.
But why do Kryptonians look like Humans? Has that ever been explained? Convergent evolution? Same seed spread across galaxy? Engineers? The Chase?
Ninja Scooter
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Krypton is really just Earth 3000 years in the future. Jor El sent his son back in time.
I don't think this is true, is it? Krypton's sun is much older than Earth's.
That drama was more manufactured than your average e3 hype machine
No one gave a shit about Coulson
My guess is to see if Lois knew anything about where the Codex was held.
They looked into Lois' mind just like they did with Clark's, and since Lois was the only one who knew who Clark was they figured she must of known something.
My only problem with the film is how Clark is raised and Pa Kent in general.
"Death" since he came back to life or didn't really die or was died for like 5 mins or something. I forget
Wreck-It Ralph
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I think the impending doom of civilization and the fact that they'd just gotten their asses kicked on the Helicarrier were more the reasons they banded together for the final fight than the death of Coulson. Coulson was mostly for Stark's sake.
Everyone else had plenty other reasons to head to the final battle. Black Widow and Hawkeye went because they were pissed about what Loki did to Hawkeye. Thor went to stop his brother. Banner went to atone for losing it on the Helicarrier and attacking everyone. Cap went because he's Captain Fucking America.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
No. It was pretty firmly Coulson.
I mean, they were going to join forces for the final fight regardless. They couldn't NOT. But they would have gone into that fight expecting to die. Would have made for a not great fight. Coulson was the driving force. The movie goes out of the way to make that the case. Fury might have been trying to catalyze Stark more than the others, but still - the Avengers really become "The Avengers" because of Phil Coulson. Not because of the threat. That's not even subtext - that's straight up text. There's really no other way to interpret it based on how the film is presented to us.
Mighty Chin
Banned
It's like they didn't even watch the movie.
Somehow, I'm not entirely confident they'll succeed with the more personal motivation. They'll get the "world is going to end" thing right as the impetus but seeing how cold MoS was, I do have my worries about how BvS (and subsequently Justice League) will get people to care and care deeply.
Marvel did right with Coulson's death in Avengers. A lot of people do care about Coulson. He got his own tv show (a move of which I disagree with, but whatever) after all. And he wasn't the motive.
Stopping the end of the world = motive
Coulson's death = motivation
Bobby Roberts
Banned
This is a good way to put it.
MisterHero
Super Member
The scout ship in MoS is about 18-20,000 years old, which is almost as old as Earth's humans.
So the answer is ambiguous
Sibersk Esto
Banned
The Justice League movie will probably have the heroes beat each other up until Darkseid comes and they all try to do it separately until they fail and have to team up.
Please don't be Justice League War
Please don't be Justice League War
Please don't be Justice League War
Please don't be Justice League War
Please don't be Justice League War
Please don't be Justice League War
Please don't be Justice League War
Please don't be Justice League War
Please don't be Justice League War
Please don't be Justice League War
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I doubt we're getting to Darkseid first.
Brainiac & Doomsday would likely get picked as JL villains before we start bringing in the New Gods.
Brainiac & Doomsday would likely get picked as JL villains before we start bringing in the New Gods.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
lol restraint
……forgetit
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Just re-watched it, went from hatred to, ehh, it's okay. Biggest complaint is Lois being in places that she has no reason being. Why did Zod take her on his ship? Also why did she get to go on the bombing mission? Hell why did Clark decide to turn himself into Zod when he knew he was an evil megalomaniac that tried to stage a coup on heir home world? He says that "he'll let humanity decide," but should he clue humanity on what an insane, murderous bastard he is?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
consider what "restraint" means when referring to THOSE options.
Besides which, WB has been known to practice said restraint before. You had to wait til Dark Knight before you got Joker, you had to wait til Batman v Superman to get Lex Luthor - and it might not even be full-blown LEX LUTHOR yet, either.
Hell, Parasite could work as a formidable JL villain for their first real fight, honestly, depending on how he's written.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
"New Gods? the fuck is that? Unless his name is JESUS FUCKING CHRIST that's a no go. He's a big stone man from space who's evil the audience will LOVE it!"
This is the easiest one, Zod used her to get information from Kal (he didn't know him). And he did, she had one of those kripto-trips.
Probably going by the tradition of her being the daughter of a soldier, she also said in the artic that "she gets writer's block if she's not wearing bulletproof vest" which tells that she's a war reporter, probably.
Clark didn't know Zod's intentions were to destroy earth, in fact, when Zod talked about his plans about rebuilding Krypton, he wasn't bothered at all, it seems that was Jor El's mission too, Clark got pissed off when Zod revealed his intentions to destroy humans. he probably thought humans could decide on sharing their planet.
My guess is to see if Lois knew anything about where the Codex was held.
They looked into Lois' mind just like they did with Clark's, and since Lois was the only one who knew who Clark was they figured she must of known something.
Because she was the only one that knew how the Phantom Portal thingy worked.
Jor-El told her how it worked and because she has the key.
That was when he didn't know anything about Zod though, Kal didn't know that Zod would destroy earth until he was already on the ship.
And what if Zod was bluffing just to get Kal to come onto the ship? Kal's never met another Kryptonian before.
Pa Kent taught Kal not to trust anyone growing up, that's why he has no friends and it's why he constantly changes his identity.
He doesn't trust anyone and he's not sure what to do.
I only know about New Gods from Young Justice so my information is probably completely wrong but here we go.
New Gods reside on New Genesis while Darkseid reside on Apokolips, everyone on New Genesis and Apokolips are basically gods and they live outside normal time and space.
I guess you can think of it as Heaven v Hell.
Quick, someone correct me.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
So was Birthright and somehow Goyer/Nolan FUCKED THAT PARTICULAR DOG.
So I'm hoping Terrio/Affleck/Snyder (that's right I'm including Affleck in that braintrust) have decided against going with New 52. Although looking at the casting - it's hard to argue that isn't the direction they're probably going.
MisterHero
Super Member
I'm gonna expand on this a little bit.
Before Siegel partnered with Shuster, he had already partially developed Superman with another artist.
In this version, Superman comes from a future doomed Earth. Would WB use it to mix things up? Dunno, but it's a pretty old precedent for alternate Superman stories.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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The best thing about Man of Steel? it put Birdy the Mighty on my radar.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
That's the basic gist of it yes.
The New 52's entire (though not officially stated) purpose was to get the DCU ready for movies and TV in a way that jived with execs. I'm sure there will be orders coming down to head in that direction.
That said, the whole DC style of movie making thus far has been to crib from multiple comics while still doing their own thing. So while I think "JL Origins" will be the baseline, I think that will only go as far as having Darkseid as the villain and featuring Cyborg's origin. Everything else will be cribbed from multiple JL stories (mostly visual cues because Synder) or just be the team doing their own thing to tell the story they want to tell.
Every movie Superman has had heavy Jesus imagery which is stupid because it really adds nothing to the character. MoS was super obvious in the church but Superman Returns took it a step further and turned its third act into a superpowered Passion Play. God I hate that movie.
The weirdest thing MoS did was combine Superman into a Moses/Jesus/Noah's Ark Hybrid with the Codex thing. There had to be a less clumsy way to make Zod want to kill Superman.
Also, WEEEEEEEE
The weirdest thing MoS did was combine Superman into a Moses/Jesus/Noah's Ark Hybrid with the Codex thing. There had to be a less clumsy way to make Zod want to kill Superman.
Also, WEEEEEEEE
I'm a giant Superman fan, and I thought this movie was dogshit. 75% of it was Cavill looking sad, and the other 25% was Superman indiscriminately blowing up huge chunks of Smallville and Metropolis (probably killing hundreds of people along the way) in giant, boring, overblown CGI fights. The part at the end where the female soldier is like "omg he's so hot" was goddamn embarrassing. Amy Adams was okay and some of the music was great.
All in all it was a pretty bad disaster movie, but an awful Superman movie. I don't know why DC's live action people are so embarrassed of their comic book origins. Arrow's a bland mess with a moody main character in an boring urban cityscape, and between Wonder Woman's monochrome costume and that teaser of Superman and Batman looking at each other with glowy angry eyes in the middle of a thunderstorm, the new Batman V.S Superman movie isn't shaping up to be much better. It's almost like DC is afraid to put color or humor into their movies (you know, comic book things) in case people think that they're nerds and beat them up. I understand that they want to differentiate themselves from what Marvel is doing with their (much more successful and enjoyable) movies, but I don't think turning every movie into a dull "mature" shitpile is a good solution.
All in all it was a pretty bad disaster movie, but an awful Superman movie. I don't know why DC's live action people are so embarrassed of their comic book origins. Arrow's a bland mess with a moody main character in an boring urban cityscape, and between Wonder Woman's monochrome costume and that teaser of Superman and Batman looking at each other with glowy angry eyes in the middle of a thunderstorm, the new Batman V.S Superman movie isn't shaping up to be much better. It's almost like DC is afraid to put color or humor into their movies (you know, comic book things) in case people think that they're nerds and beat them up. I understand that they want to differentiate themselves from what Marvel is doing with their (much more successful and enjoyable) movies, but I don't think turning every movie into a dull "mature" shitpile is a good solution.
MisterHero
Super Member
Siegel adopted certain aspects of biblical characters because they seemed to be a practical way of setting up a hero's story. Kal-El itself can be interpreted as a Hebrew name.Every movie Superman has had heavy Jesus imagery which is stupid because it really adds nothing to the character. MoS was super obvious in the church but Superman Returns took it a step further and turned its third act into a superpowered Passion Play. God I hate that movie.
The weirdest thing MoS did was combine Superman into a Moses/Jesus/Noah's Ark Hybrid with the Codex thing. There had to be a less clumsy way to make Zod want to kill Superman.
Also, WEEEEEEEE
but yeah, the movies were a bit heavy-handed
PhantomZone
Member
They might not be doing the exact same thing but i still roll my eyes that because Marvel had some success, DC now want a slice of the action (granted they were the originators of comic book super hero movies).
Have stated this time and time again that i am more of a DC fan than Marvel, growing up i read more DC comics (Superman mostly) than any other. The original Man of Steel movie discussion thread was one of the reasons why i thought i'd sign up to neogaf and it should be obvious where my chosen name is from :-D.
That's my point. He's already Space Moses, you don't need to turn him into the Son of God and the lifeboat for the Kryptonian race. At least go outside Judaism/Christianity and give him something cool like extra spirit arms or something. Or maybe freeze breath? He didn't have that in MoS, could have come in handy,
I think the whole "DC is ashamed of their comic book origins" is a pretty dubious complaint in general given how many different styles and story types they have to adapt, and I'm especially confused at how you'd call Arrow out for this. Arrow is, like, the most comic booky comic book show since Lois and Clark, and only gets moreso as time passes on.
Plus the whole Superman staring down armored Batman thing is straight out of a comic book. This one, in fact. If they were truly "ashamed" to be based on a comic book, they wouldn't be ripping visuals and lines of dialogue ("They will join you in the sun") from the comics wholesale. Arguing that in order to be about comics that it has to have "humor and color" ignores the myriad of comics, including ones featuring the characters in question, that don't have those things.
I'm not terribly optimistic about Darkseid or Thanos. In order to do movies that would do either of their stories any justice, the cost would have to be so astronomical and so complicated from a production and post-production standpoint that I wouldn't be stunned if those movies signalled a big comic book movie crash(which in turn could cause each studio to crash). Besides I think JLA and Avengers' best stories have nothing to do with those villains but that's just me
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Firstly, your parenthetical contradicts your main point.
Secondly, what's the fuckin alternative for Warner Brothers there? Is a giant multimedia conglomerate supposed to look at the market and go "Well, looks like Superheroes are making a lot of money these days, and audiences don't mind seeing lots of them, even in the same movie. Guess we were just too darned late to make billions of dollars. Hope something else comes along! Maybe in a couple decades we can try putting multiple superheroes in a movie too, once Marvel's had their turn. It's only fair."
Jmanunknown
Member
Also, WEEEEEEEE
That was the best scene of the movie even though it had a weird setup with him just walking out of the ship with the suit on and then all of a sudden he wants to try to fly.
Putting Darkseid in Justice League just to beat Marvel to the punch would be dumb. Thanos will have been in at least two movies before even Batman vs Superman comes out. Instead of starting out with someone like Darkseid maybe go with Amazo or Despero or even a collection of smaller villains.
The combined power of the Justice league kind of annihilates the Avengers (provided we do get Flash and GL), so I think introducing someone like Darkseid right off the bat will right then and there establish why a team is needed. Maybe they wont need to have him as a direct opponent, but id expect to see him be way more visible than Thanos in Avengers 1 was.
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