Interesting video on street harrassment
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perfectchaos007
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I'm pretty sure Sto0ge is a tall red-head, so I imagined this Matt Bonner looking guy high kicking towards the whisperers face, whiffing, then losing his balance and falling over not so gracefully. It caught the whisperers attention and he fled the scene.
Add some unintelligible curse word combinations and froth in a high pitched squeal and that's about right.
And who said chivalry is dead? awkward awkward chivalry.
Anton Sugar
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I'm only seeing Conan O'Brien doing this now and it's great.
How often do you cat call girls on the street? Just curious.
Anton Sugar
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Astrolad's been out of the game too long. No one remembers his areas of expertise.
It would be easier to recognize the trolling if what he said didn't seem out-of-place for some gaffers.
I'm still confused. Is he trolling or is he notorious for these views?
Catcalling is absolutely disgusting and men who do it are scum.
Saying that street harassment is "just about power" is a big oversimplification, though. A lot of guys do it because they (very ignorantly) think women appreciate it, and take it as a flirt. I've seen some pretty shocking testimonials by guys online who sincerely think that they might "make a woman's night" by complimenting her body from their car.
Saying that street harassment is "just about power" is a big oversimplification, though. A lot of guys do it because they (very ignorantly) think women appreciate it, and take it as a flirt. I've seen some pretty shocking testimonials by guys online who sincerely think that they might "make a woman's night" by complimenting her body from their car.
SquiddyCracker
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No, I did not get Astroladded.
On-topic:
Man, women have it shit :/
Never done anything like that personally, I don't see why you have to compliment individuals in a manner that only shows consideration for your own feelings.
On-topic:
Man, women have it shit :/
Never done anything like that personally, I don't see why you have to compliment individuals in a manner that only shows consideration for your own feelings.
Muttering under your breath as you walk past someone isn't exactly normal behavior. At all.
HarryKS
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Ha, what?
Black dude in the video has mental problems then.
http://youtu.be/QYAL21jxREQ?t=1m33s
Glad to know that you frame it a certain way, some people, even though their actions be innocuous or heartfelt can be interpreted negatively.
I should have written whisper instead of mutter for perhaps mutter can have or carry certain connotations.
Why would you whisper or mutter anything to a stranger? They'll probably think you're creepy and chances are, they'll be uncomfortable. "Beautiful" might seem like a compliment, but to a woman who has been harassed and leered at since age twelve, it probably isn't welcome.
SquiddyCracker
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Something being innocuous or heartfelt doesn't preclude it from being creepy or harassment. One man's expression of arousal or appreciation of beauty is inevitably going to be another man's feeling of fear, shame, anxiety, and disgust.
John Kowalski
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man... i missed astrolad
No I did, it was from a taxi cab during daytime. Ive given a ride to a man at 2am after he spent the last thirty minutes asking for a one night stand. I told him to shut the fuck up and that everyone at the bar knowsnwho i am and will know who to look for. It was very odiotic of me and I wont do it again.
cm osi
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i...don't think you should feel guilty.
Hail to the king.
The Technomancer
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Astrolad has broken even my patience for these kinds of things. Just ignore him
On topic yeah, its just pervasive and disgusting
firehawk12
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It's made worse by the fact that a lot of women don't react for fear of provoking a violent reaction from the men. It's much easier to pretend to accept it as a compliment and then run away than to risk escalation, which is sad.
I am not sure what you guys are considering street harassment....because to say that some women like being harassed is weird.
Street harassment is not "hey, your hair is really cool" and then the person walks away....it is someone saying things to you that make you feel deep discomfort and fear, it is being touched by a stranger when you don't want to be touched, it is having someone ejaculate on you (yes that happens), or someone following you...it is any number of things that no one in their right mind would enjoy.
And even if there are A FEW women that enjoy the harassment that does not mean that it should be ignored!
'oh jee, well one woman likes being harassed by a stranger so that means that it's ok and all the other women should just get over it'
Come on now.
Street harassment is not "hey, your hair is really cool" and then the person walks away....it is someone saying things to you that make you feel deep discomfort and fear, it is being touched by a stranger when you don't want to be touched, it is having someone ejaculate on you (yes that happens), or someone following you...it is any number of things that no one in their right mind would enjoy.
And even if there are A FEW women that enjoy the harassment that does not mean that it should be ignored!
'oh jee, well one woman likes being harassed by a stranger so that means that it's ok and all the other women should just get over it'
Come on now.
It's weird, I have never seen a girl get cat called or anything of the like before in all my years in NYC, or college years in Chicago, and in all the neighborhoods of the city. Though I was once by two Hispanic girls at Union Square. I have definitely seen lots of dudes leers and creep on girls and heard plenty of stories of girls getting harassed in one way or another, but I've never actually been present to it.
My mom always recounts how not once but twice in her life random men in the city told her she was gorgeous and then just kissed her. She laughs it off and acts really flattered, but my older sister and I are always really wierded out when she brings it up.
My mom always recounts how not once but twice in her life random men in the city told her she was gorgeous and then just kissed her. She laughs it off and acts really flattered, but my older sister and I are always really wierded out when she brings it up.
NEOPARADIGM
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Are you serious? The recipient. Obviously.
The first thing women should ask themselves is if guys would appreciate being cat called?
Some definitely are too busy, prudish, shy, abused or have something else about them that would make them dislike it. Most would be neutral or positive.
Guys like the attention and the possibility of having sex (don't ignore the attention part. It is equally as important). In fact I would say women thoughtfully doing this could manipulate quite a few of us very easily, too easily. Then there are other men who are much harder to deal with because they view women as pieces of meat and nothing more (unless they are family).
Ultimately since most men would be receptive or not give a shit instead of actively disliking it we are more likely to feel it's acceptable form of communicating. Just because we have family we cherish doesn't stop guys from employing this tactic because it is a stranger and they feel this is the best way to get the attention of a stranger or to show off in front of other guys.
So how do you solve the issue of cat calling in general? Well there are two things.
First is that you have to engage them and tell them it isn't ok in public spaces (too risky to attempt it when few people are around). If your reaction is to ignore them well you aren't going to get your message across that you are a human being to respect.
The second is that you have to not only talk to men who are capable of empathizing with your concern but you also need to push them to be more diligent on keeping other men in check when they are only hanging around with just men. Men who have a hard time empathizing with a woman is far more receptive to the opinions of their peers (which happen to usually be men).
The guys who go as far to grope and assault women aren't going to necessarily be cat callers (in fact in my experience I suspect most aren't). Some of the creeps who go as far to touch women without consent are less interested in the idea of having sex and more about exerting power and inflicting pain. Most guys view violating physical boundaries as inappropriate behavior regardless of gender so the majority of gropers will only do so after they feel they have established some sort of relationship (no matter how flimsy it actually is) with a woman which is why date rape is far more common than random groping.
Now the video wasn't about date rape or sexual assault between former friends/coworkers but I think it is a far more bigger issue to lump it in with the other physical assaulters being described.
In the case of date rapists there are multiple strategies that need to be used from teaching children going through puberty what it means to be forming a relationship and what are the best ways to do it, to installing more cameras in public buildings so there is less need for guessing who is telling the truth.
In the case for random feelers there are only 2 strategies.
On some level society needs to be improved so more men have the opportunity to be contributors in society. When men are more preoccupied with work that is to some extent fulfilling there is less risk they are hating on everyone around them and the worst of us will try to prey on those viewed as weak (usually women).
That's the first solution.
The second solution is that laws need to be set up for repeat offenders of violence and using past records to alleviate or worsen the penalties for future assaults.
Essentially women should fight back when sexually assaulted and hard. Both people should be charged with a crime for fighting but the aggregate affect should be that the creepers will lose out for repeated behavior that not only makes their penalties worse but also reduces or expunges the records of women they violated in the past because their is clear history of them getting into assaults moreso than their victims.
Some definitely are too busy, prudish, shy, abused or have something else about them that would make them dislike it. Most would be neutral or positive.
Guys like the attention and the possibility of having sex (don't ignore the attention part. It is equally as important). In fact I would say women thoughtfully doing this could manipulate quite a few of us very easily, too easily. Then there are other men who are much harder to deal with because they view women as pieces of meat and nothing more (unless they are family).
Ultimately since most men would be receptive or not give a shit instead of actively disliking it we are more likely to feel it's acceptable form of communicating. Just because we have family we cherish doesn't stop guys from employing this tactic because it is a stranger and they feel this is the best way to get the attention of a stranger or to show off in front of other guys.
So how do you solve the issue of cat calling in general? Well there are two things.
First is that you have to engage them and tell them it isn't ok in public spaces (too risky to attempt it when few people are around). If your reaction is to ignore them well you aren't going to get your message across that you are a human being to respect.
The second is that you have to not only talk to men who are capable of empathizing with your concern but you also need to push them to be more diligent on keeping other men in check when they are only hanging around with just men. Men who have a hard time empathizing with a woman is far more receptive to the opinions of their peers (which happen to usually be men).
The guys who go as far to grope and assault women aren't going to necessarily be cat callers (in fact in my experience I suspect most aren't). Some of the creeps who go as far to touch women without consent are less interested in the idea of having sex and more about exerting power and inflicting pain. Most guys view violating physical boundaries as inappropriate behavior regardless of gender so the majority of gropers will only do so after they feel they have established some sort of relationship (no matter how flimsy it actually is) with a woman which is why date rape is far more common than random groping.
Now the video wasn't about date rape or sexual assault between former friends/coworkers but I think it is a far more bigger issue to lump it in with the other physical assaulters being described.
In the case of date rapists there are multiple strategies that need to be used from teaching children going through puberty what it means to be forming a relationship and what are the best ways to do it, to installing more cameras in public buildings so there is less need for guessing who is telling the truth.
In the case for random feelers there are only 2 strategies.
On some level society needs to be improved so more men have the opportunity to be contributors in society. When men are more preoccupied with work that is to some extent fulfilling there is less risk they are hating on everyone around them and the worst of us will try to prey on those viewed as weak (usually women).
That's the first solution.
The second solution is that laws need to be set up for repeat offenders of violence and using past records to alleviate or worsen the penalties for future assaults.
Essentially women should fight back when sexually assaulted and hard. Both people should be charged with a crime for fighting but the aggregate affect should be that the creepers will lose out for repeated behavior that not only makes their penalties worse but also reduces or expunges the records of women they violated in the past because their is clear history of them getting into assaults moreso than their victims.
HOMEBOY OVER HERE
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reading some of the posts in here I can see why a lot of guys on this forum don't have girlfriends
creationtheory
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It's because their cat calls aren't loud enough.reading some of the posts in here I can see why a lot of guys on this forum don't have girlfriends
reading some of the posts in here I can see why a lot of guys on this forum don't have girlfriends
Anton Sugar
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That's exactly my point. Just because a guy (or you) think that some cat-calling is "good-natured" doesn't mean it's any less offensive, even if it's "compliment-driven". A lot of harassment is "compliment-driven" if you ask the harasser. For many, there is no difference between cat-calling and harassment. They are one and the same.
kame-sennin
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ValkyrUser
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My sister has to put up with this bullshit here in Seattle. She got off work one late night and was walking home when a truck stopped up the road from her on the side of the street she walking on. She crossed the street to avoid the truck but it went around the block then did it again. She got home ok but was scared and crying for awhile while her roommate stayed by her side for like two hours. Her walk home is only 10 minutes! She's too scared to walk home now and she has pepper spray on her keyring.
evil solrac v3.0
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I was once taking a photo of a girlfriend in the city, and a man drove up next to her and asked her what $5 would get him. She immediately started crying, and he continued asking her.
Some of you should be embarrassed as fuck to be posting what you're posting. Men who cat-call women are shitheads, full stop. Worse yet, they're shitheads who make the rest of us look like shitheads. Women have the right to walk down the street without manbabies regurgitating their desires and fantasies at them. And those of you who think women enjoy this should probably talk to more women. Or meet a woman.
Rentahamster
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Astrolad's been out of the game too long. No one remembers his areas of expertise.
So what you're saying is....we're old.
hmmmm... I don't think cat calling is accepted behavior in most of Europe (I'm saying this as a German). Because of that I think it happens less here, also. However, I don't know how much it happens since I'm male. I'd like to say that at least looking at a woman shouldn't be seen as bad (yeah, there are borders).
Also, I'm often thinking about maybe talking to an attractive woman but only if she smiles at me (it happens) and I think that's okay? Yeah, that's a real question since I am still quite shy. Also, I am one of the males who wouldn't like to be catcalled himself.
Also, I'm often thinking about maybe talking to an attractive woman but only if she smiles at me (it happens) and I think that's okay? Yeah, that's a real question since I am still quite shy. Also, I am one of the males who wouldn't like to be catcalled himself.
Particle Physicist
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My wife complains about this all the time. They even do this when she is walking with my daughter, which is extra disturbing. What the hell do they expect is going to happen? I don't get it. :/
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Talking after a smile is a good idea. Everyone's different, but I feel as long as you're respectful and leave her alone if she says no, you're good.
I've NEVER understood why people even bother wasting the energy on this. I can't imagine why a woman would be like "That total stranger says he wants to lick my boobs. Why what a capital idea!"
I have had this happen to be a few times from both men and women, both times I was more like "Really? Me? Come on."
I have had this happen to be a few times from both men and women, both times I was more like "Really? Me? Come on."
Devolution
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At some point these guys know it doesn't work but they're posturing precisely because other men give them high fives instead of calling those shitheads out.
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