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I forgot about that and it makes no sense. Other than to look cool for his break out. Where are we suppose to believe he got the lava?
And i'm just thinking out loud with that question, its not necessarily directed at you but more so the show creators
Joe Prodigy
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Ghazan uses earth to make lava. He bends the earth with such pressure, lava is created.
Yeah you're right, I forgot about his full range of attacks. However, during the Bolin fight we see him flinging lava but Bolin is able to deflect it with regular Earth shields. Lava can cut through wood easily enough but it wouldn't penetrate Toph's defences.
I see that makes more sense. I guess it would help if we got some backstory on how he learned how to do it rather than hey this guy can lavabend its been like 10 episodes and we still won't tell you why or how
I think it's much more likely that's he's using friction (by making layers of rock to vibrate out of phase with each other) to convert kinetic energy into heat. Increasing the pressure acting on a rock won't melt it, it will make it harder to melt actually..
Every single time he moves that he's changing his stance accordingly.
Toph would have zero issues predicting the attacks and reacting.
EDIT: Wow I'm blind. Didn't notice it curving.
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Deleted member 231381
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But Toph doesn't know it's coming. Bolin can see the lava projectile and put up an appropriate shield. Toph can't see the lava projectile. She doesn't even know lavabending exists. She can tell by Ghazan's stance he's firing a projectile, but she'd respond to it the way she would to the only projectile she knows - and Ghazan can exploit that. What if she tried punching it back, for example? Arm melted off. Ghazan is a super bad match-up for Toph.
EDIT: I think Toph is obviously the better earthbender overall, mind - I'm just pointing out she has serious deficiencies specifically against someone with Ghazan's style.
The Silver
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_Ko7VusR04
I also don't think Toph's fighting style would lend well against a battle with Ghazan, Toph is someone that mostly stays in one spot and isn't very mobile when fighting. Being very mobile is almost a necessity against Ghazan because you can't effectively block his attacks like with earth like you normally would because he can turn it against you. But she is extremely skilled though, she can dish out an onslaught Ghazan might not be able to handle.
I'd also like to mention how fucking ridicuously OP the Gaang were when they stormed the Earth Palace, Zuko's "bring down a nation" statement rang true here.
I also don't think Toph's fighting style would lend well against a battle with Ghazan, Toph is someone that mostly stays in one spot and isn't very mobile when fighting. Being very mobile is almost a necessity against Ghazan because you can't effectively block his attacks like with earth like you normally would because he can turn it against you. But she is extremely skilled though, she can dish out an onslaught Ghazan might not be able to handle.
I'd also like to mention how fucking ridicuously OP the Gaang were when they stormed the Earth Palace, Zuko's "bring down a nation" statement rang true here.
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I'm putting them 2-2. Ming-Hua d. Pakku, Ghazan d. Bumi, Jeong-Jeong d. P'Li, Iroh d. Zaheer. If it was all 4 vs. all 4, it'd be a hard call, but I think I'd actually give it to the Red Lotus, if only because their skill sets overlap incredibly well - you have heavy weaponry (P'Li), utility (Ming'Hua), AoE (Ghazan), and sweeper (Zaheer). The original White Lotus doesn't have that sort of synergy, even if Iroh is solo GOAT.
Toph is pretty insane when I think about it, she literally learned how to earthbend by studying badgermoles and could even bend that space rock. Ghazan has the element of surprise but once she figured out what he is doing and how he is done
You think the former chief of police in republic city wouldn't know Ghazan can lava bend?
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Yup. Lavabending is so OP that I can't see it staying quiet if it was widespread. Everyone knew about Yakone and his bloodbending, and that's just one guy Lavabending is almost as bad in terms of power, yet everybody is super surprised by Ghazan and doesn't seem to have ever heard of it before. I reckon Ghazan is probably a pioneering prodigy. Depends what age Toph we're talking, I suppose, and also how long ago she left to roam the earth. If it was more than 13 years ago, she still might not have heard of him.
I think people are talking about a Gaang TLA-era vs Red Lotus.
Really, Toph would have probably just found a way to metalbend the lava by now. I highly doubt that after a 70 year time period with the entire red lotus deal that she wouldn't know about lavabending being a thing.
The moment she blocks/dodges Ghazan's first attack and learns he's lavabending the fight is as good as over.
That's the thing. We really don't know how well the old 4 worked together because we only saw them fight together once.
I guess I could see Ming-Hua over Pakku, but I think Bumi would take down Ghazan.
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She's not going to dodge, though. How does she dodge an attack she cannot possibly see coming? Hell, Ghazan can even arc his projectiles. She can't "see" that.
EDIT: Bumi take Ghazan? Man, people are seriously under-repping Ghazan in this thread. What would Bumi possibly do to him? His entire strategy is literally just "throw fucking big great rocks" in every fight we see him in.
There are still some unkowns to the fight. It's quite likely that she can't see well through lava (since she can't see that well through sand). Ghazan could simply make a pool of lava around him and float on a piece of rock, which would make things a lot harder for Toph.
well, she did invent metalbending while beeing in a tough spot. (she had time to concentrate tough)
but ghazans strenth isn't in bending the lave, its creating the lava. so i'd say chances are high she or some other gifted earthbender could learn lavabending fast. (or while beeing in a pinch)
to clarify, someone could learn to bend it, but not create it.
the problem is the fear thats unleashed while beeing attacked with lava, no one would try to counterbend it.
(ofc all pure armchairpsychology)calling it now, bolin will bend lava episode 11 or 12
well, she did invent metalbending while beeing in a tough spot. (she had time to concentrate tough)
but ghazans strenth isn't in bending the lave, its creating the lava. so i'd say chances are high she or some other gifted earthbender could learn lavabending fast. (or while beeing in a pinch)
to clarify, someone could learn to bend it, but not create it.
the problem is the fear thats unleashed while beeing attacked with lava, no one would try to counterbend it.
Yeah that's true. We don't really know how hard it is for benders to bend a different form of their element, maybe it's totally something you can pick up in a fight, maybe it requires hours of training.
calling it now, bolin will bend lava episode 11 or 12
He better, his whole I-want-to-metalbend-but-I-can't plot would go to waste otherwise. And I'd like him to have at least 1 badass moment this season.
It's a freaking buzzsaw with a very distinct sound. She'll hear it and react.
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Human hearing is not good enough to reliably block a small, fast-moving projectile entirely based on sound. How accurately can you locate things entirely by sound to a close degree of accuracy, and how quickly? Not quick enough.
If anything, it would be a really entertaining fight. A lot more than the Mako/Bolin one in episode 9.
Yeah but then one of Tenzin's kids would suddenly discover that they are the ultimate air bending prodigy and just destroy Zaheer in like 5 minutes despite almost not training and no indication of secret skill.
Who knows, we got a decent one for JoJo so something as popular as Avatar could get one. Though getting a good one is probably going to be a stretch.
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Sort of unfair to compare Mako and Bolin to any of the other benders mentioned so far. They're such jobbers. Really, the Krew is super one-sided - Korra is OP as fuck and probably a better bender than Aang already (excluding Avatar State because Aang had better mastery of that), then Mako is useless, Bolin is super useless, and Asami may as well not exist.
How different does it become than any other projectile thats been launched at her? Shes reacted quickly to other fast projectiles before.
bending the lava while beeing in a pinch is the way to go here. my reasoning was the plot yes.
or he bends metal in an epic way. (wich would be lame
)That's what I'm saying. Ghazan seems really tough.. because he's fighting Mako and Bolin. Hence why the fight with the old masters would be a lot more entertaining.
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a) other Earthbenders don't arc their shots in the same way so she probably can't "see" it by tracking Ghazan's movement as well and b) she doesn't know about lavabending, so her natural response to a projectile is to punch it back because that's what she does to rock projectiles aka the only projectile she has to deal with. Punching lava is a pisspoor move.
I wan't that written on my gravestone.
What I don't get though, is that Mako has really good mastery over his bending, he seems to be able to easy bend lightning (including lightning redirection) but never uses it in a fight for some weird reason.
Korra was probably a better bender than Aang when LoK started, and was absolutely better at the beginning of S2. That's the whole point of this series: following a young, cocky, master of all the elements.
This is exactly what Toph does a crapton when they're storming the Earth Palace, isn't it?
She has fought more than just earthbenders that have shot projectiles at her though, a decent sized wall should block it just as much as it would do a fireball or ice blast. She has blocked arrows and knives i think she would be ok.
edit - I guess what you are saying is if she doesn't know its lava infused and tries to stop it like a regular rock project than yea she would get messed up but I think she would figure out what he is doing is not normal. And she has heightened senses due to being blind.
WrenchNinja
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Why wouldn't she be able to see it coming? I don't understand your train of thought here. She reads stances, and he has to move to arc them. Even the most minute movements she picks up. She can feel ants crawling on the earth for fucks sake. She dodges moves all of the time during the series. You don't think she's going to feel him changing earth to lava?
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So, I mean it in two ways. Firstly, lava is just very different to rock. Different density, different fluidity. Ghazan might make a movement to arc it, and Toph reads his movement, and thinks "oh, it's coming in at 12 o'clock", and it comes in at 11 o'clock, because it doesn't move the same way as ordinary rock. Toph failing to block? Dead Toph. Secondly, Ghazan is capable of changing rock which is floating into lava - we see him do this in the break-out scene. Given he is doing this to floating rock, Toph has no idea what he has just done. When he throws it at her, even if the first point doesn't apply and she can read the arc correctly, she will think it is still just ordinary rock. Toph's ordinary response to ordinary rock being thrown at her is to punch it back. Toph punching lava? Dead Toph. Thirdly and as a separate point, as another poster pointed out, Toph can only read movement through solid surfaces - she can't read movement in the sand, or when above water. Lava is a liquid. Ghazan can easily create a moat of lava around him, and then she can no longer read his movements. Toph fighting blind? Dead Toph.
Ghazan would beat Toph.
Incidentally, Toph is my favourite one of the Gaang, and I think she's probably overall the second best non-Avatar bender in the series after peak Iroh. I'd much rather have her in a general fight situation than Ghazan. I am just pointing out that in a 1 vs. 1 combat scenario, Ghazan is a spectacularly bad match-up for Toph.
freakzilla149
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Man, I just watched a YT compilation video of Toph earth bending and it's like BAM! BAM! BAM!, earth smashing against earth. The sound is so fulfilling, it exudes power. Toph, just punching all those rocks with real ferocity and conviction too.
.... and then there's Korra, where they start flinging little Frisbees at each other and doing their fucking ballet. Earth bending should wallop those robots with big fat rocks, not send little disks between their shoulder joints.
.... and then there's Korra, where they start flinging little Frisbees at each other and doing their fucking ballet. Earth bending should wallop those robots with big fat rocks, not send little disks between their shoulder joints.
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WrenchNinja
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How is the solid ear5h thing even relevant? Ghazan has to be on solid earth to move. He's not going to be standing on lava.
I don't know how you can claim that punching earth is her normal reaction, she blocks and dodges often as well. She's not as predictable as you're saying.
I don't know, I don't think your instant kill idea of how this fight is how a fight like this would play out. Toph adapts extremely quickly and I kind of doubt she doesn't leave some room for error with projectiles with her regularly fighting benders of other elements.
Toph is the greatest Earthbender, and lava is just some hot ass earth.
Hidden One
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I agree!
victreeb3l
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I wonder if Wood bending will ever be possible? Wouldnt it be some super advanced earth or water bending?
To be fair, no one can take on Meelo. Hes the most OP character in the Avatar world. Theres a reason he never gets to see battle.
To be fair, no one can take on Meelo. Hes the most OP character in the Avatar world. Theres a reason he never gets to see battle.
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