Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Walmart

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Two Words said:
I'd like to see public reaction of black adults carrying legal fire arms in open-carry states similar to the photos of white gun owners. Perhaps make the black men wear baggy clothing, wife beaters and doo rags. Top it off with some gaudy jewelry. Is it crazy to say that might be effective way to increase gun regulations?
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Spoiler Alert: It already happens, so far nobody cares (any more than usual).

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Bonus: A white open carry advocate being arrested by a black cop.

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Pelydr said:
What? As someone who is white a can safely say: fuck white people. The police force shouldn't have access to guns as the do just like the average American sure as fuck shouldn't be able to buy a pistol. FUCK gun people and their "culture".
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I just dont understand how the police connect to the average american owning guns connects to fuck white people.
 
Stfu about larceny.

Has the dead guy been charged with larceny?

No?

Then stop polluting the thread with ten dollar definitions of common versus state law.

Jesus.
 
What exactly is the protocol for cops when citizens are openly carrying a gun in an open-carry state? Do cops have full authority to detain a citizen they feel is acting threateningly with his firearm and determine if the gun is legal? What are the expectations of engaging with an open-carry citizen? I think the supposed danger of black people open carrying and it being purely left up to police judgement is a scary proposition.
 
TheChocolateWar said:
Aye, I checked out the standard of appellate review for the criminal court of appeals in Ohio before making that statement, and discussed the standard a few pages back; similar standard as a judgment notwithstanding the verdict. They give great deference in Ohio to the jury's decision on evidence, and only a finding that a reasonable fact finder could not have found the existence of the element would have allowed a reversal on evidentiary grounds. Then I discussed how the evidence, as suggested by other posters, can give rise to a reasonable inference of intent to deprive. Personally, I think the evidence is weak. But it would definitely survive a motion for a judgment not withstanding the verdict.
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Serious question, are you a 1L?
 
mre said:
Serious question, are you a 1L?
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Nope, graduated from a T1 in 2013. Took one of the more difficult bar exams in the country. Primarily been doing work for Guardian ad Litems, so it isn't like I am some callous in-house biglaw who only cares about corporate rights.
 
Sean*O said:
And WTF is with people calling for bans on guns when you have a police force that likes to shoot first and ask questions later.. and you want them to be the only people allowed to carry?
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What difference would it make? Shooting at cops, no matter if they're in the wrong or not, will always end terribly for you, most likely dead or life in jail.
 
Two Words said:
What exactly is the protocol for cops when citizens are openly carrying a gun in an open-carry state? Do cops have full authority to detain a citizen they feel is acting threateningly with his firearm and determine if the gun is legal? What are the expectations of engaging with an open-carry citizen? I think the supposed danger of black people open carrying and it being purely left up to police judgement is a scary proposition.
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depends. in GA when you open carry the cops can't even ask you if the gun is legal etc.
 
StealthxHawk said:
Hate this GIF, as its usually used inappropriately. Its obvious what he's saying, and its easy to follow. Its also on subject. What's the problem?
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It's also a stupid fucking argument. "derp, whut if the cops who shot him were black?" Um..and? One of the cops who gunned down Sean Bell was black and i am sure the "Black cop & White cop and why it's almost never a good combo to have to deal with" has been brought up by now.
 
Seesaw15 said:
Whenever something like this happens it always amazes me that amidst all the chaos going on that night the police were able to give this guy his day in court.
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Unless it comes out that the victim had an inoperable brain tumor and decided to commit suicide by cop I'm calling shenanigans.
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I still don't understand how James Holmes got out of that alive and unscathed...

Fuck, this thread is starting to hit me hard.
 
abadguy said:
It's also a stupid fucking argument. "derp, whut if the cops who shot him were black?" Um..and? One of the cops who gunned down Sean Bell was black and i am sure the "Black cop & White cop and why it's almost never a good combo to have to deal with" has been brought up by now.
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re-posted:
Ice Cube said:
But don't let it be a black and a white one
'cause they slam ya down to the street top
Black police showin out for the white cop.
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Skeyser said:
What difference would it make? Shooting at cops, no matter if they're in the wrong or not, will always end terribly for you, most likely dead or life in jail.
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Not necessarily, if they do a no knock bust in you are allowed to shoot them and it should count as self defense.
 
Two Words said:
I'd like to see public reaction of black adults carrying legal fire arms in open-carry states similar to the photos of white gun owners. Perhaps make the black men wear baggy clothing, wife beaters and doo rags. Top it off with some gaudy jewelry. Is it crazy to say that might be effective way to increase gun regulations?
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Maybe. If not, you'd probably just get a few people killed.
 
Wow!
I was literally in Walmart this morning, seeing how those BB guns were black. Even though it has a colored tip, it's too small to see. If anyone was roaming the street with one they coulda gotten killed just by the appearance of it. That's crazy
 
SaviorX said:
Wow!
I was literally in Walmart this morning, seeing how those BB guns were black. Even though it has a colored tip, it's too small to see. If anyone was roaming the street with one they coulda gotten killed just by the appearance of it. That's crazy
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This already happened to some kid in California I believe.


Found the article

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/24/justice/california-fake-rifle-boy-killed/


Cops were not charged and kid was only 13. I expect the cops to get off without charges in this as well.
 
Two Words said:
I'd like to see public reaction of black adults carrying legal fire arms in open-carry states similar to the photos of white gun owners. Perhaps make the black men wear baggy clothing, wife beaters and doo rags. Top it off with some gaudy jewelry. Is it crazy to say that might be effective way to increase gun regulations?
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It happened in the past with the Black Panthers. The problem is, it's probably (understandably) difficult to find volunteers to do what you are saying for fear of death or incarceration over such a stunt.
 
In the UK the use of replica guns is taken very seriously. Toy guns HAVE to look like toys, which at the most basic end means the nozel has to bright orange or it has to look like a crazy sci-fi gu or something.
 
njean777 said:
Not necessarily, if they do a no knock bust in you are allowed to shoot them and it should count as self defense.
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You think that if you shoot one of the multiple cops entering your house with a no knock warrant that you're making it out of that situation alive. I mean shit even if you were white you're almost certainly ending up dead there.
 
The police killing innocent people has gone really out of hand. Wtf? Especially that blacks are getting discriminated against. And about that pic in the OP do people really shop and carry guns openly? Ridiculous if true.
 
Two Words said:
I'd like to see public reaction of black adults carrying legal fire arms in open-carry states similar to the photos of white gun owners. Perhaps make the black men wear baggy clothing, wife beaters and doo rags. Top it off with some gaudy jewelry. Is it crazy to say that might be effective way to increase gun regulations?
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Maybe, but you'd get a load of people killed in the process...
 
Remember that recent thread where a load of British posters were unhappy about the prospect of patrol police having sidearms? Yeah, it's because shit like this happens.
 
Faustek said:
That's crappy but no need to as crappy as that dude.

But on the second sentence, yepp I know that.

Didn't think about it but according to my brother I always speak more softly and in a higher pitch when I speak to white people. Like I was trying my best not to scare them....To be honest this might be true as I have always been of a well built stature(now I'm just fat) and for some fucked up reason people where always afraid of me.
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I do that to, all of it. When I was kid, I had issues with looking at white adults in the eyes. Things obviously have changed, but I'm still not myself.

It's weird feeling like you have to protect yourself from someone that's non threatening, just because of their skin color, fears of being viewed as a criminal. I mean, I have one speeding ticket while going only 10mph over the speed limit and I'm 38 yrs old. Been placed in the back of a squad car for about an hour, because the lights over the rear license plate did not work.
 
Sean*O said:
WTF is this bullshit?

And WTF is with people calling for bans on guns when you have a police force that likes to shoot first and ask questions later.. and you want them to be the only people allowed to carry?
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Are you suggesting he should've shot back at the police, if he had a real gun? Or that people should shot at police, assuming they're going to shoot first?

Because that doesn't really solve anything.
 
They didn't ask him to put the gun down. Removed from service, fired and jailed for decades, though it doesn't bring him back. Atrocious, who even let these people become cops?
 
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