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Legend of Korra Book 3: Change |OT| SCHEDULEBENDING
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Its also free online. Its on Nickelodeon's website for streaming.
lol is that even unique to air bending? Doesn't seem like a sub-bending skill to me. Seems like shitty plot device for Jinora (without any explanation).
Air nomads have culturally been more spiritual (because of their lifestyle and beliefs), but that has absolutely nothing to do with their bending ability. Air bending doesn't by default make someone more spiritual. In fact, the only bending we've seen tied to spirituality has been water bending (and that bullshit Unalaq was able to come up with, that really makes no sense how it's tied to water).
Anyone can be spiritual. Jinora just happens to be able to project her spirit and travel in the real world with it, because the writers are lazy as hell.
Lol what. Do you even listen to yourself? It was the air nomads way of life and practices that made them more spiritual. Bending air doesn't make them more spiritual. And nothing has suggested that Jinoras astral projection is a sub bending of air.
Lol used to guarantee wtf. You are right that since all air benders were monk/nomads the majority were likely to be spiritual. But that again had to do with cultural practices and not elemental bending.
Cloud Strife
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Actually, Jinora herself confirms that it's an airbending technique in Episode 4. Although yeah, being an airbender doesn't automatically make you spiritual.
No need to be condescending. Jinora said it was a aribending technique sometime during this season.
Mike and Bryan have said that every single air nomad was a airbender. Using the transitive property: air nomads being more spiritual = air nomads = air benders = air benders are being more spiritual.
It used to be because now more than just the air nomads are air benders. Which means what I just said in the above paragraph doesn't apply anymore.
So yeah, my previous post does make sense. Stop being an ass just because I have a different viewpoint.
All Dai Li agents are earthbenders. Therefore, all earth benders are Dai Li agents.
See the logical inconsistancy?
The difference being that all air nomads were airbenders. And all air benders were air nomads. Things were different before Korra's time. That's what I am saying.
Regardless of whether I am wrong, your response was far more civil than the person above.
That doesn't mean that it follows that being an airbender makes you more spiritual, no more than being a Dai Li agent would make you an earthbender, even if Dai Li were the only earthbenders to have ever existed.
for the most part air can be used in any environment, can't say that for the others without adding something else to the fray...fire is the only thing that comes close but I remember them saying last series that there is give and take with it in cold landscapes
Spring-Loaded
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Meelo came up with fartbending already.
Discotheque
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choke-bending.
Okay, I'll concede and say I'm wrong for saying it's not a sub-bending ability. But I still stand by my assessment that bending air doesn't auto make you spiritual (it comes with the culture background of being a monk and their practices and has nothing to do with bending air. It just happens to be that, the majority of air benders are monks, hence they are more likely to be spiritual).
But I'm still going to call bullshit on Jinora saying its a sub-bending air ability. What about it has to do with air bending?
I apologize, my tone was definitely condescending/douchey. No excuses for that.
Spring-Loaded
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You could say the same about waterbending and healing. She could be using a type of spiritbending for all we know, or a cross between spirit/airbending, similar to how lighting is firebending crossed with waterbending techniques
At a certain point, I'm sure the writers have had to stop themselves in the writing room with what bending can and can't do. Any kind of show with magical properties, risks breaking the entire world if it gets too out of control. Just imagine how insane things would be, if bending was 100% realistic.
TBH, I'm actually surprised the writers have gone the direction that they have with some of these sub-bending abilities. Granted, I always welcome benders finding new ways to use bending (as someone else said earlier, this is what made Toph so awesome. Her unique approach and creativity to bending).
But I'm still baffled by Unalaqs ability to use water to control spirits. And I was never a fan of fire bending with your mind. And this astral projection stuff (being labeled as sub-bending) is all sorts of ridiculous.
I don't know why Astral Projection isn't a form of "energy bending" like what Aang did to Ozai. So far we only know of one use of that, and it's to take away or give bending. You would think astral projection would be the bending of energy/spirit. Not air.
That's a fair point. Nothing about water should equate to healing. And yet it does. I guess that's how they tied in Unalq being able to control spirits (as water in this world, supposedly has properties that can heal).
SO alright, I can admit that I'm 100% wrong. This is basically another case of the Avatar universe always having certain elements. Korra is no more guilty than ATLA is of throwing random shit without explanation. But I'll still always say that Jinora's plot was ridiculous (it could have been done so much better).
The problem is that no explanation is given for WHY it's air. It doesn't evne have to have to od with airbending directly, it could just be related to it. Like, JInora explains that she just imagines herself floating through the wind, like the air itself, and there she is. She's taking her airbending training and applying it to spiritual techniques to achieve this. It's not hard, writers.
That said, I'm glad this is a kids show, because with the way most of the general populous has access to bending and the power of bending, society would not be able to interact in a normal fashion. The only reason people (as in strangers in society) can trust one another to any extent is that they are sure that they are generally safe outside and can walk around is that a psychopath coming in and just killing everyone is a rare and stoppable occurance. Benders, for the most part, use their bending responsibly, and when they don't, other benders stop it.
Imagine a world where you know everyone walks around with weapons of high lethality, like assault rifles. Even the stupid NRA advocates walking around with guns is not what I mean, I mean where atleast 75% of people walk around with assault rifles at all times. Imagine the realistic consequences of that, without the implicit trust that 99% of people will use those weapons responsibly.
It'd be a paranoid fucking world.
Cloud Strife
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Fully agreed on all points. It's complete BS, but if you think about it, Aang also did the same thing during the entirety of The Last Airbender but it was just played off as a spiritual thing and not a technique of any kind. So it HAS been done before, but they are only now just trying to rationalize it through airbending which is just as lame as Mako forgetting he has lightning bending or the sudden disappearance of the Equalists post-Amon.
Agreed. But I give up. Trying to apply logic to this show is pointless, when the writers don't even adhere to logic within the worlds own rules. Plus everyone else is right, if water can have healing properties, then pretty much ANYTHING can have a random property attached to it if they say it's so.
That this was true in ATLA, means it shouldn't be surprising in Korra. So yeah, I guess I just got caught up in how IMO the Jinora plot/power is really dumb, but forgot that it's not all that far fetched in this world.
Double apologies. I was wrong wrong wrong.
In terms of physics, you're right, TLA makes no sense.
But in terms of the classical element classifications, it does. Lightning may not have the molecular properties of fire, but the ancients put them in the same classification because when lightning came down, it started fires, so therefore it must be fire, much like how you threw a rock, it transitioned through air, but always came down to the earth, therefore it must be of the element earth.
From there, it isn't hard to see why water heals. It is the universal cleanser, and lifeblood. You could survive far longer without food than you could without water, and food was considered to have healing properties as well (and it does, actually). Under this logic, fire should also have healing abilities, since it is associated with the warmth a body produces, of life itself.
With avatar, you have to think less physics, and more philosophy.
Sigh. Okay I give up. I'm just wrong wrong on everything. *leaves thread in shame*
lol, you're still right that Jinora's powers make no sense, because they don't bother to explain them, nor do I know of why air would relate to astral projection.
ab.aeterno
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Between tapping into anarchist philosophy and showing straight up murder on screen, the show continues to have some mighty big cajones for a Y7, ostensibly "kids" program.
Whaaat. Having the both of them is a lot more interesting than justt one person talking.
badcrumble
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Given that Zaheer basically did vacuum-bending (making a pocket of nothingness), there's a lot of very cool potential in that if they want to explore it.
Yeah, even when she said it was an advanced airbender technique, the way she said it really made it sound like she was just bullshitting Kai just so they could get off the subject. I don't know if that was the creator's actual intentions, but nothing about what Jinorah can so seems even slightly related to airbending.
Infinite Justice
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hmmm seems they are trying hard to defend the stuff they did with Jinora LOL
It feels like the opposite because they kinda just threw out one line "explaining" it even though none of the actions she performs resembles airbending. There are no movements and it doesn't even interact with air nor any reasonably relateable element.
Their not defending. The writers even admitted to pulling it out of their ass and not understanding to the point where they'll accept any fan theory.
They probably came up with this or saw a fan theory they liked and rolled with it because really the best way to handle
s2 is confront it and try to move on as quickly as possible which so far s3 has been doing in spades.
Actually, in terms of physics, there is a tenuous relationship: lightning and some fires are both forms of plasma.
In a way, 'firebending' is the real energybeding.
Kai Dracon
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About the only way I connect Jinora's spirit casting ability to airbending is in the possibility of airbending being specialized on meditation. Air is the most ephemeral element to human senses, so airbenders must develop the most refined capacity feel the flow of the world around them. This is a reality in which Chi is a measurable energy. If you like you can imagine meditating on the tingle of air prepares one to feel the subtle disturbance of Chi as a discreet thing.
Though oddly enough I always imagined water = healing in that water is the most gentle element to press into the human body. And again since Chi is a real thing here, water acts as a stable, measured conductor for Chi to be built up into a ball and focused on the patient's wound. Sure, you could use fire to focus healing Chi through. Let me make it better by bathing your bare flesh in burning. Or Earth - Doctor Knocker is ready to hit you in the face with the Rock of Wellness.
Though oddly enough I always imagined water = healing in that water is the most gentle element to press into the human body. And again since Chi is a real thing here, water acts as a stable, measured conductor for Chi to be built up into a ball and focused on the patient's wound. Sure, you could use fire to focus healing Chi through. Let me make it better by bathing your bare flesh in burning. Or Earth - Doctor Knocker is ready to hit you in the face with the Rock of Wellness.
Yeah, but using that line of logic, shouldn't you argue that air and water are the same since they both share oxygen in their molecular construction?
Pull back far enough, everything is just made of molecules and atoms and so on until you get the smallest measurement of reality. Which also fits in with the show's mythos, actually. the whole "All is one" thing. But it makes the show more fully realized if you look at it from the lens of classical elements, where as if you look at it scientifically, you see a lot of inconsistancies or the characters not realizing their full potential.
No problem! Like you said earlier about Doug's videos, that's the great part of discussion forums. We can discuss our different opinions and come to an agree. With video reviews and podcasts, none of that stuff can happen and it's just a 20 minute rant.
Whaaat. Having the both of them is a lot more interesting than justt one person talking.
Even so, his brother is so goddamn pretentious and annoying I cannot stand him.
I agree. I always felt like firebending was energybending. That can explain for fire, blue fire, lightning, and combustion. What Aang did and what Zaheer and Jinora do could just be called spiritbending. (even if they did call what Jinora did "airbending")
Yeah, I've been enjoying their podcast, relatively speaking. High production values is my podcast weakness.
have been catching up on some of the episodes, really like the plot and some of the character dynamics. I wish that Asami would be given more of a role besides, side character person. And same for Bolin, give more depth to his character then just comic relief. Also nice to see the villains with some sort of tangible goal that isn't "mahahha I'm evil."
Also question about last season, what is Avatar-GAF's consensus on Vaatu, do you think he died at the end of Season 2 or will eventually come back and grow out of Raava over the course of the next 10,000 years.
Also question about last season, what is Avatar-GAF's consensus on Vaatu, do you think he died at the end of Season 2 or will eventually come back and grow out of Raava over the course of the next 10,000 years.
I don't think she has the ability to kill evil incarnate for good. I'm sure it would remove a lot of the charm from the show, but part of me wants a cyberpunk Avatar 5000 years from the current one where Vatuu has grown back inside the Avatar and they struggle with having dueling spirits exist inside of them.
It still runs into the problem with all the other bendings using energy. What do you think makes the difference between ice, water, and vapor? How much energy they have. What makes rocks move? Kinetic energy. Same with Wind.
All bending is energy bending in that light. Hell, just lifting your arm is an act of using energy.
Though I do agree that what Aang did should be called spirit bending. Energybending is just a name that stuck for whatever reason.
Speaking of the next cycle.
I actually hoped, before this whole Nick thing happened, that the next series would be about an Avatar in a world where he/she isn't wanted and is possibly resented due to the change in tech and society feeling like it is strong enough to survive on it's own.
It would be a "boy in the iceberg" deal for it to work, where they would be sectioned off from the world for so long that when they came in contact with society they would realize the rough reception.
That would be the final series of the show tho but there would be things they can do with it.
I actually hoped, before this whole Nick thing happened, that the next series would be about an Avatar in a world where he/she isn't wanted and is possibly resented due to the change in tech and society feeling like it is strong enough to survive on it's own.
It would be a "boy in the iceberg" deal for it to work, where they would be sectioned off from the world for so long that when they came in contact with society they would realize the rough reception.
That would be the final series of the show tho but there would be things they can do with it.
... She did? I thought that was just a quick bluff to satisfy Kai's curiosity so she didn't have to explain everything.
I like that idea; getting these blade runner/akira/ghost in the shell vibes
This is exactly what I thought it was too. The writers themselves said they don't really have a solid explanation.
Well... I don't mean our definition for energy I guess. More like... "energy". You know what I mean?
Well, you were talking about the forms of firebending, so I am assuming you meant heat, radiant, and thermal energy. Waterbending deals in thermal energy as well (again, that's how you get the difference between ice and vapor). Earthbending too, now that Ghazan invented lavabending, but otherwise I think they mostly deal in kinetic.
But energy is just energy. Heat and Kinetic and the rest are just forms they take. Rub your hand against a surface really fast and boom, you just changed kinetic energy into heat energy.
Buddhists had it right. All is one.
TacticalFox88
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I personally want a show where the avatar is a side character and the MC is a non.bender.
Then it wouldn't be called "Avatar: ____"
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