Jesus christ elrechazado did not deserve this bro.
Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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Jesus christ elrechazado did not deserve this bro.
elrechazado
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You've got a serious communication problem. This is the most bizarre non sequitur I've ever read. Welcome to the ignore list.
Because we can generalize the actions of one to the actions of hundreds of thousands while, at the same time, generalizing among the tens of millions of contacts every year with LEOs. Right?
Easy to do so when it keeps happening over and over again no matter what state they happen to be in.( also Cops have no problem generalizing people in the black communities so why shouldnt we do the same?) Not to mention my own dealings with Racist/dirty cops growing up not far from the 113 precinct in South Jamaica Queens. Though the shit that happened to me and my friends are pretty lightweight in comparison. I'm still breathing after all....
elrechazado
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Ive mentioned this in other threads but a sad joke when I used to do this kind of legal work was that all the cops had to do to beat someone senseless was to preface it with "stop resisting!" Then administer beat down. So sad. It's just like finding "reasonable suspicion" for a stop and frisk. They can invent any pretext they ever want.
Heh thanks. Ironic since I'm one of the most critical on these boards of the police. Guy is a freaking madman.
Pretty fucking scary too because this can happen to anyone and it's your word against theirs assuming there is no tape.
Velcro Fly
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what about that california highway patrol guy on that black lady beating the shit out of her as she "resists" by covering up her face
i mean it's anecdotal but it seems like it's happening constantly
i mean it's anecdotal but it seems like it's happening constantly
Literally asking the same thing that multiple others have asks. I really don't have time for people who can't understand why the riots are happening.
but he prolly didn't deserve it. Here's hoping no one else asks
It's easy to generalize much like it's easy to stereotype, the irony of course, rests in the mirror.
elrechazado
Banned
One out of thousands is too many. Leos are granted extraordinary power to restrain and imprison and even where appropriate to physically restrain the citizenry. Abuse of that extraordinary power requires serious response. Unfortunately, the reactions of these institutions have been to double down, lie, and cover up for each other in a systematic way. This is an institutional problem, not a coincidental series of one-off incidents.
Until you remove humanity out of the picture, there will always be "injustices."
Cops are terrifying. In my CJ class, my prof taught us all the ways cops can manipulate you into giving up your rights.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
No one doesn't understand why it's happening. A community feels outrage, therefor anger. It's not that hard to get.
Ton of people in this thread are just being generally obnoxious whenever someone brings up the rioting:
But why are they directing it back towards themselves when that's proven time and time again it gets you no where and you only end up hurting yourselves?
It's absolutely a ridiculous reaction and it always has been and always will be.
What's good for the Goose and all that i guess. Maybe if these people start realizing that they are supposed to serve and protect the public and stop acting like a fucking occupying army, people would begin to trust them more. Just a thought.
elrechazado
Banned
So? Might as well just say we can't fix any problems cuz we are humans so eff it. Great point.
From the sidelines your comments seem sane. Dreamdrop appears unhinged.
The point is that it's unrealistic (and not to mention silly) to expect utopian mantra.
A. So why do people keep asking why?
B. You never had to vent steam? I'd rather property destruction than an out and out war with the police.
CountAntonius
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Gun culture. I hate bringing up this debate but this country is paranoid as fuck because it's assumed anyone can have a gun. Makes me realize why cops tend to be much more trigger happy here than anywhere else in the world. It's a shoot first ask questions later mentality they have. Especially when wrongful death rarely ends in criminal charges for police. I think that is one of the biggest issues. Losing their badge is not enough for wrongfully killing someone. They should not be held above a standard citizen in that respect. Give them jail time and watch these things change.
ReplacementPelican
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Yes, because rioting makes the 'black community' seem so much better to 'middle America' and there is absolutely no way that the media wouldn't portray it as a heroic stand against oppression.
Rioting wont solve shit, it'll make it worse.
elrechazado
Banned
Again, great non point.
Byakuya769
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What are these people mad about again?
Dreamdrop is speaking truth and knocking down the discussion stoppers and attempts at obscuring the issue.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
I asked why, because I was not up to date, the OP link has not kept up with what has happened. Therefor when someone goes to the last page, and sees a discussion about looting, they do not understand what is going on. And also no one should be looting, it does not help the cause.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
You're out of your mind.
So what's the other option? Keep in mind this was enticed.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Yes because until wrongdoing is shown, there is no punishment, however, the one being investigated cannot continue to work in the same capacity.
It's this way in all law enforcement, even in prisons.
It's not really a secret law enforcement relies on the publics lack of knowledge of their rights. Hell most who think they know their rights still down and fuck up. Remember knowledge is powerful, but a little knowledge is dangerous.
The property destruction can easily escalate to shop owners protecting their shops with rifles and a truck driver getting smashed in the face with a brick. We've seen it before and it's horrifying. It's a scary situation in more ways than one, but an escalating civil unrest is part of the conversation
Good lord, people are making sense of a difficult situation and some of that involves wrong-headed discussion(and hopefully coming to a better understanding), but you're delusional if you think this thread is filled with insidious agents of obfuscation.
Police being an occupying army? Holy hyperbolic batman.
The One and Done
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Why dude?
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
It's easy to see who's never had to deal with police abuse of power
ReplacementPelican
Member
I doubt you'd expect me to come up with a one-size-fits-all cure for racism in America on the spot, surely? All I can say is that confirming prejudiced about black people being violent is hardly the right way to go about changing public opinion and causing outrage about injustices against the minority.
It reminds me of this young person being interviewed on the BBC after the UK's summer riots three years ago. He said 'We're out rioting because all the police look at us and see criminals'. Prior to that line he was showing off what he had looted.
But those riots are off-topic, maybe I will search for the topic.
Byakuya769
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Would people start rioting if prayer vigils weren't met with swat gear and dogs? Are people more or less likely to riot when their public grief is met with "GET BACK!", "GO THERE!", "NOT HERE!" from people in the same uniform that brought about the tragedy in the first place?
Shit, people destroy property to get to the hottest item on the black friday sale annually.
Shit, people destroy property to get to the hottest item on the black friday sale annually.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
You ever live in the hood, SierraOne? The thought isn't as far fetched as you'd like it to be.
You could easily have caught up via google news. In fact, had you done that, you would have only been maybe three pages behind instead of all of them.
Yes, make this thread about me. Seriously dude?
What is the real difference between a police state and martial law, anyway?
Or the many obstacles of existing while black.
hiphoptherobot
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I was out buying food for my dog and noticed that a bunch of the stores are closing near the mall that they are planning on rioting at. The pet store was open but the Best Buy and shoe store were both on lockdown and it looked as if most of the other stores were in the process of closing up.
Byakuya769
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The One and Done;124913678 said:
Because of heeing and hawing about a reaction is overcoming discussion on the actual problem.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
I guess this is where the main divergence of opinion will take place in a sort of Malcolm X / Martin Luther King Jr. sort of way.
I'm of the opinion that when the cops show up to peaceful protests expecting a riot, you make yourselves look bad by giving them one.
I can also recognize that keeping the moral high-ground is damn near impossible in that situation. Nobody is going to be happy about being treated like a criminal when that's the exact problem that's happening.
But keeping that high ground pays off. If you can look them in the eye and say "No, we're not who you think we are" it sends a much stronger message.
BFIB
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In Brentwood?
No. Perhaps you can find me an example of an occupying army in the world - and then find me the parallels across the United States that mimic the occupying army.
Byakuya769
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That's lovely. And I am too. But I don't live in that community and what you're saying is common sense and doesn't need to be repeated ad nauseam. People in the throws of emotions will do irrational things. That's not really novel.
To be clear, I personally don't think the riots are off topic, nor do I think they shouldn't be discussed. BUT! I refuse to accept any discussion of the riots that does not present them as the direct result of the killing of Michael. If you (collective) don't want to discuss them inside that framework, I will do all I can to call you out and shut it down. I'm not here to play around with some tangential bullshit. And again, I really don't have time to waste on people who think the riots are purely opportunistic. If you think this is just people wanting free shit, you have a pretty high level of internalized racism and you lack a fundamental understanding of black people.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
Yes I could've, but I go to Gaf to get unbiased news.
I believe One is natural order of complete control where the other occurs from disaster conditions where societal order has fallen apart.
hiphoptherobot
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yeah. I was at the petco off of Eager Rd. I didnt even know about the Galleria until I was checking out and overheard somebody talking about it. Then at the gas station I heard some cops talking to the workers about how they had told a bunch of businesses in the area that it would be in their best interest to close for the night.
ReplacementPelican
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I meant that the London riots were off-topic, sorry for the confusion.
My point about the young lad was that there is no good press to come out of riots, they interview the people who are opportunistic as that makes for a better story. Also, I did not deny that the riot would be a direct result of Michael's death. I do, however, fail to see how rioting, the likely the destruction of innocent people's property, spreading fear and the inevitable looting that comes along with it would not help any cause that you wish to represent.
If you disagree, tell me how it's advantageous to the cause.
CountAntonius
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The riots will do in the media what they have done to this thread. Overshadow the killing of Michael.
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