Seems fair to me. We are usually stuck in the middle of white people vs black people. I have to say I've heard some appalling things in my life about black people from white people in hushed voices because I guess some people must think we're comfortable with the model minority role.
Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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BronsonLee
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He's a goddamn spy!
Also important stuff;
They may not want to release that hospital info yet. Zimmerman did because it helped his case. Unsure if it'll help Wilson's. He definitely was hospitalized, though.
It seems it was right after the incident though, so he's probably still gone.
Ignatz Mouse
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I read it quickly, and the replied while out walking around. So I went back, reread more carefully, and clarified. I'm still missing any details that make me outraged, as opposed to expecting an investigation and review.
Not that I have much faith in such things, but I can really easily see how this is a justifiable accident and not abuse/overreaction. I can also see how it *could* be egregious. But I don't see how it's open and shut from what's in that story.
To the other poster re: cameras-- the case against, were I an officer, would be over-scrutinizing of my job and abuse of things like FIFA to allow people with money for expensive attorneys to stall or derail cases. EDIT: covered better elsewhere. But I think we need to start working the details and protcols because they'needed. Something that activated when a gun is drawn would be a start.
Again, this is a minuscule thing against the benefits.
everyday math
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I'm not really one to ever post inoffensive posts. I don't really enjoy arguments.
Four, same.
You literally just posted #notallcops.
If I remember correctly, Zimmerman's hospital records weren't released until months after the incident. These things can tend to come out slowly regardless of who benefits from it.
BronsonLee
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THE FOUR POSTMEN *plays Four Horsemen theme*
I remember the official stuff coming out later ya, but I distinctly recall pics of Zimmerman beaten up getting out there way in advance. My timeline could totally be out of whack though; those were fucked up times
everyday math
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So the Ferguson Library had some teachers come in and help students, because of the schools being closed.
redmetal86
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Goodness gracious Brooke Baldwin.
BronsonLee
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...I feel like this is why we are on the top of the post count list
Fake Edit: DAMMIT J-Rzez is back, I figured the LAPD thread would keep him occupied
Of course they're trained to scan the backdrop of where they're firing. I went through hours of training on that as well. But we don't know positions of people and cover. Also, considering the circumstances, sometimes it may outweigh indirect fire, as in immediate danger, you, or them. It could have just been a fuck up by the officer, who knows.
Ironic how people had a taser dispute the other day here, and now we see what others were saying on how unreliable they can be. "Shoot taser at loose clothing" is irrelevant. You aim at what you can hit. This wasn't some big winter coat considering where it happened. It shows how unreliable they can be. And they are not the most pin-point accurate devices in the first place. There's your reason why you need more than a taser to administer justice, like it or not.
Was it unfortunate that someone not involved died? Absolutely. And if the officer did this recklessly, they should go to jail.
Also irrelevant is the weapon being unloaded. How are they to know this?
More training and cameras are welcome. Make sure when at the ballots to vote on distributing more tax money for these items to check yes then, and not strip the departments of money even further.
Geez I think this is the 1st time I've ever made a "top posters list"
Me and my brother have been doing some BBQ research for a competition coming up, decided to go check out Reds BBQ in Ferguson today for lunch. I grew up in Florissant, a few miles from where all this is happening. Brought back a lot of memories driving around there.
Surreal to see places I have been watching on the news all week. More cops and news hanging around than people. Local residents wondering aloud, "when is everyone going home, aren't you tired of this" pretty good BBQ.
Drove by the command center, tons of national guard. Tons of media.
On the one hand I think the news coverage is great, and I have certainly been tuning in. But when does it turn exploitive? Last night was pretty bad from the standpoint of the media trying to create a story IMHO.
and lol, as I'm typing this I see this article posted http://petapixel.com/2014/08/20/embarrassed-photograph-ferguson/
Me and my brother have been doing some BBQ research for a competition coming up, decided to go check out Reds BBQ in Ferguson today for lunch. I grew up in Florissant, a few miles from where all this is happening. Brought back a lot of memories driving around there.
Surreal to see places I have been watching on the news all week. More cops and news hanging around than people. Local residents wondering aloud, "when is everyone going home, aren't you tired of this" pretty good BBQ.
Drove by the command center, tons of national guard. Tons of media.
On the one hand I think the news coverage is great, and I have certainly been tuning in. But when does it turn exploitive? Last night was pretty bad from the standpoint of the media trying to create a story IMHO.
and lol, as I'm typing this I see this article posted http://petapixel.com/2014/08/20/embarrassed-photograph-ferguson/
CountBlack
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dropping knowledge darts on these muricans
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I love hearing killer mike talk.
redmetal86
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Really, I wouldn't mind hearing him speak more on important issues.
I do remember some xeroxed photos too, yeah. I'll have to see if I can find when those came out.
I am saying you can't take a property of a group and automatically have it assigned to the parts that make up that group.
Foxy literally post #allcops despite it being unarguably a logical fallacy.
There plenty of much stronger arguments for Darren's guilt than #allcops logical fallacy.
What exactly is your argument?
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UPDATE :: Police now admit that Officer Darren Wilson fired his weapon multiple times as Mike Brown ran away. Add that to your fact list.
2:36 PM - 20 Aug 2014
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Another eyewitness reveals that Mike Brown was shot from behind, &, when he lifted his arms in surrender, appeared to not be able to lift 1.
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UPDATE :: Police now admit that Officer Darren Wilson fired his weapon multiple times as Mike Brown ran away. Add that to your fact list.
2:36 PM - 20 Aug 2014
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Another eyewitness reveals that Mike Brown was shot from behind, &, when he lifted his arms in surrender, appeared to not be able to lift 1.
BronsonLee
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Holder: What the fuck are you doing
I'm not giving this guy the time of day after his shit last time. Someone else needs to corroborate it. DAMNING if true, though.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Where is this Shaun King guy getting his info from?
Seriously, you can't ask somebody to add something to their "fact list" when you aren't giving a source, what is up with this dude.
user8503492
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In the conservative rumor mill Ive heard Wilson got walloped pretty hard in the face, possible eye injuries, this lead to the shots being off target and in a cluster on one side of the body. Basically his vision was blurred and head was spinning from the attack, so he fired at the attacker unable to aim properly or distinguish much of what position they were in.
timetokill
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onward to thread #2 soon. can't believe how badly the police have fucked up this whole process.
I'm sorry but after last night and his supposed inside scoop on how the prosecutor was going to present to the grand jury I can't trust anything he says.
Remind me what that was all about?
Yeah I wanna see this. His twitter is blowing up.
Nabs
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I need this. He's currently trending on twitter.
BronsonLee
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He thought the prosecutor was basically going to present the defense's case to the grand jury instead of try and actually get an indictment, flying against all logic and reason
He gave 5 tweets for 5 arguments the prosecutor was going to make to the grand jury and they were basically defense arguments which obviously wouldn't make sense. No proof or anything obviously for how he knew the prosecutor was going to make these ridiculous arguments.
(On phone otherwise if go back and find the tweets)
Honestly, we should just cut and paste the Vox summary. That's as neutral as you're going to get.
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I wouldn't say it flies against all logic and reason, but it is certainly just a theory people were taking as if fact.
Foxy Fox 39
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I said it's not that hard to imagine. I didn't say for certain he acted in the same manner. So how is that using fallacious logic?
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Glad Martin Luther King Jr and the SLC didn't feel this way in the 60s.
So, you guys remember the woman who was shot in the head in a drive-by during the early days of the protests in Ferguson? She's feeling a lot better, and she says that there was no drive-by. The 4-5 black men the cops said they were looking for were the ones who helped her.
Even more worryingly
Even more worryingly
BronsonLee
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I would. Biggest case of your career and you drop that in the courtroom? You're torpedoing your livelihood. He was never going to do that.
onadesertedisland
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Well, this is interesting if true.
Foxy Fox 39
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Man. This is really getting insane.
Sheesh, do the people in this PD have any idea how any aspects of their job work?
Chie Satonaka
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So am I.
My defeatist attitude is based on the lack of "no fucks given" being shown by.. Well. Pretty much everybody.
I haven't seen celebrities talking about this, I haven't seen many politicians talking about it. I feel the President's response has been lackluster at best, and then general public is going into full on "he was a thug!" mode. We have people on this board defending an op-ed from a cop who's more concerned about the citizenry he protects respecting his authority than the fact that he's threatening to violate your rights if you don't, and we've been watching that exact thing happen in real time this week.
So sorry if I'm not sitting around feeling optimistic for Ferguson sparking any kind of real significant change. I'm glad my post gave you the opportunty to make a snappy comeback, though!
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