Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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TheBryanJZX90
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Missouri was part of the Union, not the Confederacy, but I grant that this I confusing. Racial problems hell yes, rednecks and hicks in abundance hell yes, but not part of the south.
block tower
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that's pretty unreal. the second pic is ridiculous on many levels. the second picture is why i have no problem allowing average citizens to own assault weapons and similar weapons. that pictures says a thousand words and none of them say "protect and serve". this is like watching some spin-off of the Stanford Prison Experiment..
Yeah a lot of North St Louis is abandoned. The rest is pretty thoroughly forgotten. There was an issue I heard about a couple years ago where crooks were raiding abandoned houses to harvest the bricks to sell to construction projects in the growing parts of the city. Something about the weathering and the clay they fired old brick from make 'em more attractive I guess.
Here's RFT in 2012, with link to 2010 story with more information: http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2012/03/st_louis_brick_thieves_more_brazen.php.
kame-sennin
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Pregnant protester claims police maced and threw her to ground; incident caught on video
http://www.kmov.com/special-coverag...ed-and-Threw-Her-To-The-Ground-270840911.html
Video at the link.
Why are you brainstorming fantasy scenarios that might justify the police almost killing a civilian with a rubber bullet?
FERGUSON, Mo. (KMOV.com) -- A pregnant protester claimed she was maced, thrown to the ground, and held at gunpoint by police during protests and riots in Ferguson.
Cellphone video allegedly captured the incident Sunday night at a parking lot at W. Florissant and Lucas and Hunt. It shows police officers in riot gear rushing a vehicle and pulling the people inside to the ground.
They was just like if yall dont shut up, were gonna mace yall and take yall to jail, said Mikiesha Wickerson, whos six months pregnant.
Wickerson claims her two cousins and their friend in the car were yelling at police with the doors to the car closed and not moving when the officers rushed the vehicle. She said no one inside the car had weapons.
Everyone in the car was arrested and taken to jail, said Wickerson.
I was like can I please get some air because I started contracting and I was sweating and had the mace running through my eyes, Wickerson said.
She was taken to a hospital after the incident and checked out, and said she was told the baby should be fine.
When made aware of the video, St. Louis County police officer Brian Schellman said police officials will review the video as soon as possible. Unfortunately due to the nature of this current situation in the county it may not be immediately, said Schellman.
Cellphone video allegedly captured the incident Sunday night at a parking lot at W. Florissant and Lucas and Hunt. It shows police officers in riot gear rushing a vehicle and pulling the people inside to the ground.
They was just like if yall dont shut up, were gonna mace yall and take yall to jail, said Mikiesha Wickerson, whos six months pregnant.
Wickerson claims her two cousins and their friend in the car were yelling at police with the doors to the car closed and not moving when the officers rushed the vehicle. She said no one inside the car had weapons.
Everyone in the car was arrested and taken to jail, said Wickerson.
I was like can I please get some air because I started contracting and I was sweating and had the mace running through my eyes, Wickerson said.
She was taken to a hospital after the incident and checked out, and said she was told the baby should be fine.
When made aware of the video, St. Louis County police officer Brian Schellman said police officials will review the video as soon as possible. Unfortunately due to the nature of this current situation in the county it may not be immediately, said Schellman.
http://www.kmov.com/special-coverag...ed-and-Threw-Her-To-The-Ground-270840911.html
Video at the link.
Why are you brainstorming fantasy scenarios that might justify the police almost killing a civilian with a rubber bullet?
Oh look, some good apples engaging the community in a way that will deescalate tensions, Clearly theyve been well trained in public relations, courtesy and service.
...I'd be to scared to even move honestly.
Accuracy.
Murder is an unlawful killing. There has been no trial to determine whether that's the case or not, even though the general concensus is pretty clear.
Being pregnant isn't going to dictate one being "softer" on her if she refuses to follow commands.
I haven't followed the story. The consensus went from STL cops execute boy to ???
Rubber pellets are fired from a 40mm. They're painful, and are a fine tool. I got to fire one a couple months back.
Not likely in all rifles. The guy on the right seems to be holding a paintball gun or beanbag gun? The guy on the left seems to be holding an AR-15. Usually police have some people with live ammo on hand just incase they need to use it. The rest usually use rubber bullets, bean bags, batons, and stun/tear gas grenades with pistols holstered.
The consensus is the same but yet to be determined as a fact. The facts however are that an African American male of 18 years was killed by police.
This is an odd thing to take a stand on.
ramuh
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The hell are you talking about? I'm not brainstorming to justify brutally assaulting private citizens. I was asking a question. About what the response SHOULD be if rioters are attacking police while rioting/looting/protesting.
Yep on the Paintball gun, but with OC balls. Able to disperse small clouds of pepper spray into crowds - can be very effective.
Ah, so that's what they use. Simple but smart, smarter than buying expensive grenade launchers and grenades that do the same.
kame-sennin
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Remember when people were saying cops are awful, and you were saying you hadn't met any cops like that? Yea...
You're concern trolling and drawing attention away from the police brutality that actually happened to speculate on fictitious acts of civilian insurrection. No one is fooled by your antics.
You really want to defend this?
Jmanunknown
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Did she break any laws? They are cops are not prison guards and she was a pregnant women who was not armed but, lets treat everyone we see like criminals. Do you treat every citizen you see like a criminal?
CrimsonCommie
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Wow. Defending the cops for assaulting a pregnant woman for talking. Wow
Air Zombie Meat
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Sounds awesome :/ Knock the dehumanizing stare right off their faces, pregnant or not.
Yep, but it doesn't have the awesome factor of seeing a 40mm firing a rubber bullet. Hearing that "thump" - especially since the rubber bullets are conveniently re-useable. But the pepper balls make eyes cry in a hurry. OC is my kryptonite... I hate it with a deep dark passion.
Published by them a while back and he started receiving death threats after it was posted.
I've been hit with oc and it does sting like hell. However I have only seen rubber bullets fired from 870s.
Velcro Fly
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I'm betting that video is the "i'm in jail everyday" video? People in a car and they were telling them to just leave and they didn't so the cops pulled them out of the car. And then you hear this lady scream "i'm 6 months pregnant i can't lay on my stomach".
block tower
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idk if they should release it, that could be very damning to the police officer. im all for justice but i think we should wait for some sort of resolve before outing people on social media. don't want to further the craziness by releasing his info and having people run up on the mans house, thatd be a bad turn of events.
I have no idea, but it's easy to jump on the pregnant card just like it's easy to jump on the unarmed card - all I was stating was that there is a proportionate response given to scenarios that require it. Being pregnant isn't going to give her a free pass to not get OC'd.
You're really putting on an impressive defense here, basically cops can't do anything wrong is what I've gathered from your posts.
Have you experienced the CN gas fired from the 870s? Flowery smell of eye death.
Air Zombie Meat
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Of course. Being too soft is definitely the biggest concern when dealing with pregnant women.
block tower
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God forbid I ever see myself on the opposite side of the barrel of any 870.
Ah, outside of training, indeed... Indeed.
Spring-Loaded
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Is the eagle in his badge what SierraOne's avatar is based on?
Hyperbole is never a wise path to take.
gutter_trash
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looks like something you would see in other parts of the world
or back in the early 1960s
or back in the early 1960s
Jmanunknown
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I know it is a messed up situation but, not everyone is out to get the police.
I do find it funny you avoided the do you see every citizen as a criminal question but, I guess you left that up to interpretation.
Wreck-It Ralph
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You get off to the thought of using these weapons on people, don't you?
Air Zombie Meat
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I feel like I've stepped into policeone.
NullPointer
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Why not? Is this a job for robots? Or should a mind, empathy and wisdom actually be employed depending upon the situation?
Shouldn't the idea be to de-escalate matters? And to even protect non-violent protestors?
USA: Go to war overseas and return home to continue the soldiering on the streets.
RastaMentality
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Wait, did anonymous get the police officer's number before the station released the name? How?
Only thing I have seen is of the police chief.
No, but I do enjoy discussing firearms - I've never fired any of such at anyone nor do I have any desire to do that. I have however been on the receiving end of the OC and CN. I was smart enough to not volunteer to be shot by a rubber bullet, mind you.
Get a room you two
RastaMentality
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Ooh I see now. They got his house and phone number on twitter.
Yes, which is why policing is 95% communication. Goal is always de-escalate with the least amount of force required.
Definitely agree. The unfortunate thing is cops aren't trained well enough in non violent solution.
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