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[BruiserBear]

Haha, funny how you focus on one bad game. Should I judge MS entire studio by the brilliance that is Lococyle?

Of course both companies fund some terrible projects. I was really just trying to point out the absurdity behind the "the publisher has to own the studio to make an exclusive legit" mantra some people keep bringing up. As if the exact manner in which great videogames are funded is critically important to people. Like anyone of the people criticizing this shit gave two fucks that MGS4 was paid to be kept off of the 360 in 2008. No one ran around here yelling about how scummy Sony was for that stuff back then.

Sony doesn't have the money to really throw around these days to pay for exclusives, so suddenly it's not a cool thing for anyone else to do it.

 

[rakhir]

Yeah, if this is a total exclusive than that means i won't be playing it.

It's a really strange move, to cut their potential player base to only Xbox users when they publicly moaned about last ones really good sales.

 

[BeamImpact]

big disappointment for the community imo, and i also cannot read one good reason out of the first post statement except for moneyhat

will probably get an Xbox One anyhow, but what about the other dedicated tomb raider fans on PS and PC?
they actually DO walk away from those

anyhow i hope this step doesnt hurt the tomb raider brand as a whole

 

[Killer]

NeoGaf in a nutshell:

PS4 exclusive: "Great move Sony, good on you guys *hugs ps4*

Xbox One exclusive: "Fuck M$$$$$$$, using shitloads of cash again to actually compete in a business world, I'm not buying it! (I own a Xbox One, or at least I'm saying that to seem less biased)."

Yup. Shows you how bias some people here.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

What about No Mans Sky?

Game was coming to PC first. Catastrophe ensued with the flooding. Needed help Shahid and Sony swooped in and helped get game back on track. Limited manpower would have likely been PC then consoles down the line. Just shifted it to PS4 first then PC then X1.

 

[block tower]

And i say this as a future Xbox One owner. i really don't like seeing third party games go exclusive when the current gaming market is already sort of shitty in the AAA area.

 

[The Jackdog]

Are people really breaking this down on a moral level?

They are a business. Another business made an offer and they accepted it.

Its not like phil spencer punched a sony fan in the head and said this is MINE now

 

[Ulumsk]

How do we know MS didn't have some hand in development?

Weird way to announce it then. They should disclose that if that's the case.

 

[IAmRandom31]

I think people are missing that Tomb Raider has been on the Playstation platform since the first title. This isn't some new game being made of whatever, it is time honored franchise of the Playstation brand. So yeah this will cause massive backlash. No doubt

 

[Sàmban]

This is crap...

I have both systems, just so I can play exclusives, but there is no way I am buying this.

You have exclusives that are made in house.

You have exclusives, like the recent Sunset Overdrive, where the developer gets to keep control of their product, so staying on one system makes sense.

You have exclusives, like Bayonetta 2, where one of the big companies helps fund the game which would have never been made otherwise.

With all of these I have no problem buying the game and is the reason I own all the major systems.

Then you have crap like this where one company pays to keep the game off other systems. This is complete anti-consumer shit. This is not helping the gamer. This is not creating exciting content for your fans. This is not making me want to support your company by hiring the most talented artist in the industry and giving them a chance to wow me. This is 100% complete mafia bullshit of taking out all competition and leaving me one single choice.

fuck you I am not supporting this...

This is ASSUMING that that's what happened. We all remember what happened with Titanfall right? A bunch of posters said the same "wah wah anti-consumer" stuff, and in the end it turns out that it was because MS stepped in and footed part of the bill for developing the game. It could be the same thing here or something similar. SE isn't exactly in the best situation financially right now.

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

lol nice. wasn't expecting these kind of reactions.

People acting like Square won't do a Rise of the Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition 2: Electric Boogaloo on all platforms anyways

 

[Kandinsky]

There really is little doubt that Uncharted 4 factored in to this decision.

Also if FFXV or KH3 ever went exclusive to XB1 the shitstorm would be like nothing ever seen before.

Spoiler

would rage so hard and end up with permban

The only way for that to happen is MS buying SE.

OH SHIT!.

 

[sun-drop]

When is this game actually out? Might equate to just a few mths exclusive. But lol at the devs always trying to spin this as great for the gamers.... You just fucked over half yr fan base, and actually more than half if u consider ps4 sales... Probably just made uncharted fans of all the fence sitteres. Nice one

 

[Taker34]

How exactly did they buy that, when the 3 games prior to it were all on Playstation? Some developers just focus on one console.

People still want the special xbox 360 6 disc set!

 

[Leafhopper]

Bloodborne is a new IP. It's more equivalent to Sunset Overdrive.

I would agree with you on that but then you have that thread from earlier, where people were complaining about Sunset Overdrive being a Moneyhat since Isominiac has been with Sony for so long :/

 

[Dragonborn]

god this is some fanboy shit right here :/

It's not wrong though. It will not be even close sales wise and probably critically either.

 

[Melchiah]

Wait, holiday?

It certainly sounds like it, as the period is rarily mentioned with non-timed exclusives, where it's usually just "Only on...". I hope that's the case here as well, because I liked the Tomb Raider reboot more than Uncharted 2+3.

 

[kpaadet]

Well we knew that TR didn't sell to SE' expectations, but its seems kinda premature to kill off the brand like this.

 

[MilitanT07]

I don't understand why you'd laugh. His post is completely rational. Nobody should want to support this. Millions of fans are now disappointed.

It is not like Microsoft paid them to burry the game in Sahara so no one play it.

 

[InfiniteUnrest]

I see Crystal Dynamics is already in damage control mode.

 

[BronsonLee]

I have a question, Darrell Gallagher. It's all well and good that you're trying to assuage PC and PlayStation fans here in light of this move, but what about the Wii U?! You couldn't even be bothered to consider Nintendo at all in your message supporting other platforms!

That rat bastard

#NintendNo #CrystalLies

 

[The Chef]

LOL, thread closed due to the hating. Oh CD, what have you done....

Did you see how the mod locked the thread for a "5 minute time out?" lol

 

[Ethelwulf]

I don't like this. The money that MS should've put into this must be at least equal to the amount of money SE is going to loose by not launching it on both PS4 and PC. Who knows what their marketing strategies are like. If this is what next gen is about (moneyhatting exclusivity deals for ENTIRE games) then what a rough time is a head of us.

 

[Majanew]

Doesn't that make kind of sense? Instead of hoping that it will do better this time they just share the development cost with MS. MS will probably not profit much, but square most definitely will.

So what will SE do for the next game? Another moneyhat? They should control their budget and stop setting unrealistic projections. TR sold over 6 million copies and SE weren't happy. "So, we'll just let MS or Sony pay for a sequel to be made!" Fucking derp.

 

[badcrumble]

What´s all the talk about timed ??

Every official source said that this is a complete exclusive.

MAYBE it´s coming to PC down the line but we don´t know that.

They keep including "holiday 2015" in the same sentence as "exclusive." It's legalese. Thread title should probably have "in 2015" added to it, if anything.

 

[thehypocrite]

Longer term this move doesn't make sense either. SE are leaving the door open for a competing franchise to come along on PS4 to capture the Uncharted/TLOU fan base. That will just marginalise the Tomb Raider IP if they decide to go multiplatform for the one after.

This feels like a very short term gain for SE, I thought they were out of the woods already with their success on mobile and F2P. Clearly not.

Yeah, that's the way I see it as well. Not to mention all the negative rapport that already exist gets more elements to support it. SE is pissing of the enthusiasts to which they aim their output. This is toxic for their business in the long term. Why companies don't care for their reputation online and social media is beyond dumb. Look how MSFT is struggled with Xbox and how poor their reputation was leading to the launch of the One.

 

[darkwing]

Still though. You don't make a NEW franchise successful by keeping on one platform. Especially a platform that's not selling as well as the other. Why would you fuck over the people that played the first game?

for (lots) money?

 

[x-Lundz-x]

This is crap...

I have both systems, just so I can play exclusives, but there is no way I am buying this.

You have exclusives that are made in house.

You have exclusives, like the recent Sunset Overdrive, where the developer gets to keep control of their product, so staying on one system makes sense.

You have exclusives, like Bayonetta 2, where one of the big companies helps fund the game which would have never been made otherwise.

With all of these I have no problem buying the game and is the reason I own all the major systems.

Then you have crap like this where one company pays to keep the game off other systems. This is complete anti-consumer shit. This is not helping the gamer. This is not creating exciting content for your fans. This is not making me want to support your company by hiring the most talented artist in the industry and giving them a chance to wow me. This is 100% complete mafia bullshit of taking out all competition and leaving me one single choice.

fuck you I am not supporting this...

This could not be more true. Fuck you Crystal Dynamics. I'll own an xbox one by this time next year but you will not be getting a sale from me. I hope that truckload of money was worth it to keep the game away from a lot of your fans you wanted to give you their money.

 

[Guymelef]

Lol.

 

[backflip10019]

Welp lol

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=827086

Kind of interesting how there was exactly zero vitriol in that thread without knowing what game it was that would be made an MS exclusive, yet in this thread every other post is someone condemning MS for buying out a franchise.

 

[MrDaravon]

Welp lol

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=827086

Was gonna look through that to see if anyone called this there, but it's 93 goddamn pages lol.

As an aside I'm slightly bummed that the MW Trilogy rumor posted in there was false.

 

[VampMuse]

I think you're severely overstating that one.

Have both copies in my house, my roommates xbox one copy looks like shit compared to my ps4 copy, and he has the better tv.

 

[googleplex]

It seems that maybe the devs asked Sony for help and Sony said nope (not expecting that Microsoft would make it exclusive)

LOL where you hear that from?

 

[ReplacementPelican]

NeoGaf in a nutshell:

PS4 exclusive: "Great move Sony, good on you guys *hugs ps4*

Xbox One exclusive: "Fuck M$$$$$$$, using shitloads of cash again to actually compete in a business world, I'm not buying it! (I own a Xbox One, or at least I'm saying that to seem less biased)."

You don't come here very often, do you? Also, this is the second time MS have paid to keep a game off of other systems, could you tell me when Sony has done that?

 

[Bluemercury]

MS and EA should be banned from the industry....and i don't even care about Tomb Raider....

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

how big was that money bag?

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

First Tomb Raider sold like 6.5 million among five platforms. There is no way it's even going to get remotely close to that on the xbox one. Microsoft could've potentially paid 100 million, to make it worth their while. I think it's nonsense.

Xbone and 360.

 

[paulorsjr]

Thi ironic part is, for Tomb is 'The Rise' and for Uncharted is the 'End'...

 

[FairXchange]

I think it makes sense as PS4 has the highly acclaimed Uncharted franchise exclusive to that system. Perhaps MS deemed it necessary to have some claims to a similar exclusive. I don't agree with the decision, but Crystal Dynamics seemed to be less than pleased with Tomb Raider's sales initially, so big deals like these will surely make financial sense in terms of actual profit margins and the future of the company. It's unfortunate that this deal is made when Tomb Raider DE sold better on PS4, so it's quite clear money is MS only bargaining chip in this equation. Regardless, not a great decision. But, I have both consoles so if the game is any good, I'll pick it up on my Xbox One.

 

[ComputerBlue]

LOL dude is hilarious.

I liked the reboot, but not enough to lose my shit over this. Good grab for Xbox, hopefully they don't nab something I love in the future though.

 

[PhatSaqs]

lol. Some of these reactions are priceless.

 

[GreyOcelot]

Metal gear solid 4?

if anything, MGS4 was a timed exclusive. kojima has said many times that the only reason it wasn't ported was because it would need like 5 discs

 

[JetBlackPanda]

This holiday huh. No way is SE going to be happy with sales figures. Even if Microsoft cuts a check how could you be ok with that happening to your franchise?

 

[BladeoftheImmortal]

A dumb move on SqE's part, but they all about making dem dumb moves.

 

[soulchilde]

Shitty ass move, but so glad I own the XB1


ijs

 

[Sendou]

Are people really breaking this down on a moral level?

They are a business. Another business made an offer and they accepted it.

Its not like phil spencer punched a sony fan in the head and said this is MINE now

It's funny how you say "it's just business" and recognize the existence of fans in the same post. Not PlayStation fans even. What about fans of Tomb Raider as a series? Tomb Raider 2013? Not everyone has $400 to shit out just because SE decides to accept money to cancel the game on two platforms.

 

[Volotaire]

Increasing? Nothing is increasing. They're just paying so Sony's lineup is diminishing.

They should work on their first party, that would be a good turnaround.

This is just shitty.

So?

They now have one extra game I'm interested in. It's increased. +1.

Yes, they should work on first party, but this is irrelevant to my opinion.

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

I would also like him to name the last time a game was announced for other platforms then was bought by Sony and those other releases did not happen.

Haze.

But I'm sure that this is temporary, it's only exclusive in 2015.

 

[reKon]

Yup. Shows you how bias some people here.

Did you miss the last few pages out something? That fact that you're agreeing with him is embarrassing.

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

lmao damnit