The Antitype
Banned
LOL, that just makes this whole situation so fitting.
Rise of the Tomb Raider timed Xbox exclusive for Holiday 2015 (No PS/PC, SE publish)
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LOL, that just makes this whole situation so fitting.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
why don't you relax a bit?
Sweet Ivy
Member
That's the point.
Funny thing...
I was looking forward to the next TR.
I'll be getting the Sunset Overdrive XBOXOne Edition.
I will NOT buy the new TR.
Sorry, that's just a practice I'm not going to support.
I was pissed when Insomniac went exclusive to XBOX (just because Price had stated it didn't make any sense for them to be exclusive to one platform and yep, I'm missing an awesome Ratchet & Clank and a new Resistance), but in the end it's their chance to do a game they want, it's fair enough and I'm supporting them now.
This... I can't digest.
NullPointer
Member
Have-nots have been created.
massivekettle
Member
A lot of sense. You really need to take some finance and economics class, mate.
Effigenius
Member
you do get to. Everyone thinks this is just timed.
The Antitype
Banned
You still will. What part of timed exclusive do you not understand?
Based on your lack of basic comprehension of the situation, I'd say you're the idiot here. But by all means, keep whining and insulting people. It makes your position look oh so good.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Never thought I would see meltdowns of this caliber over a timed exclusive
I know, I love playing games on my PC but a game like this is so much fun and looks and plays so well on the PS4. fuck this bullshit. PC at least ... come on!
There's a pretty huge difference here.
One game was announced with the implication that it's multi-platform quite some time ago, and a huge group of people are just now discovering that they won't get to play the game at release, with multiple reports suggesting we might never get to play it on our platform of choice. Taking away something you thought you had access to inspires a negative reaction. It's not uncommon or illogical.
In the case of HellBlade, today was the first time announcing a new game, and people are excited by that news of course. Also instead of the vagueness and confusion surrounding whether or not Tomb Raider is timed or explicitly and permanently exclusive, we know right up front that this is a timed exclusivity.
There is really no direct comparison here, so that would explain the difference in reaction.
That hasn't been confirmed by an official source, and certainly wasn't known when the thread began. You're acting as if all the negative reactions in this thread are because of a minor delay instead of in response to deliberate misinformation meant to suggest the game would never be available on other platforms.
Wait a minute, sony paid for a console exclusivity over the Saturn when userbase was ridicolous in comparison to PS1? Source?
The Antitype
Banned
Honestly, when has this ever happened?
The whole point of a timed exclusive, is to create a window of increased value for the console.
If the announcement was 'Xbox One is getting this game.... but if you just wait a while, you'll be able to play it where-ever you want', how would that increase the perceived value of the Xbox One in any way?
Could all of you please stop calling this a timed exclusive until this has been confirmed?
If it actually was only timed, don't you think Sony would have said something like "Oh, and by the way... Rise of the Tomb Raider will be on PS4 summer 2016!" at their Gamescom press conference?
There's no way Sony would not have done that just to spite Microsoft.
If it actually was only timed, don't you think Sony would have said something like "Oh, and by the way... Rise of the Tomb Raider will be on PS4 summer 2016!" at their Gamescom press conference?
There's no way Sony would not have done that just to spite Microsoft.
HORRORSHØW
Member
whoa whoa whoa! everybodys talking timed exclusisve now like its a fact... is this just massive wishful thinking? cause thats what I figured but I havent seen any evidence.
You don't know how PR works.
General_Frags
Member
Is this a timed exclusive or a platform exclusive?, because if it is they can fuck right off.
makingmusic476
Member
Which sales figures? I'm honestly asking, because the only version I know for sure sold better on a Sony platform was the recent re-release of the reboot (try saying that 5 times fast). It's ridiculous for Sony fans to say they supported the franchise the whole time, then selectively ignore the fact that Legends, Anniversary and Underworld all underperformed, the reboot sold better on the Xbox 360. PS4 owners bought the re-release in large part because there was NOTHING coming out on the console between launch and Second Son. I don't blame them, but let's not claim the stronger sales of TRE on PS4 were the result of a long-standing love of the franchise.
It's easy to understand disappoint. Not so easy to understand entitlement, and in some cases, borderline insanity.
So disappoint is to be expected, but don't they dare mention that disappointment? Edit: Sorry, I was vague. I'm just trying to understand what in all of this you consider entitlement that has apparently gone too far. People complaining on messageboards because they're disappointed?
This must be very upsetting for PS/PC fans of Tomb Raider. But it's not the end of the world. You'll probably get the GOTY/Complete edition in 8-12 months. Like GTAV or Tomb Raider: Remastered.
Third Party Exclusives and Timed Exclusives are a part of this business. Sometimes it works for you, sometimes against. Sony does it with stuff like Hellblade and their big E3 hit, No Man's Sky.
Its not like you'll never get to play the game. What's sorta pathetic are just salty fanboy comments like this:
Third Party Exclusives and Timed Exclusives are a part of this business. Sometimes it works for you, sometimes against. Sony does it with stuff like Hellblade and their big E3 hit, No Man's Sky.
Its not like you'll never get to play the game. What's sorta pathetic are just salty fanboy comments like this:
Because you know these kinds of people are quick to jump on MS but won't say shit about their favoured publisher when they drop moneyhats. (Hellblade, No Man's Sky)
And SC3 came out at the close of the generation when both MS and Nintendo had still moved on while Sony was still pushing out PS2 software.
Is it denial to understand how companies make money? Obviously meaningless that the previous game released three years earlier sold well on two small userbase platforms at the peak of their popularity. Nevermind that Gamecube software sales were all but non-existent then, Xbox sales were damn near literally non-existent because MS was pushing everyone to 360, or that the PS2 had stretched an even larger lead and owned an even larger percentage of annual software sales. Clearly there was a conspiracy and some kind of Sony pay off. I mean, SC3 was clearly a critical title for Sony. Without it the PS2 might not have finished the generation in first place, right?
Hard to be too upset when Sony has an actual for-real exclusive game that scratches almost exactly the same itch, in that very same timeframe.
Sounds a lot like Square Enix was flinching at the thought of competing directly against Uncharted 4, and MS swooped in to save them the immediate trouble. Serendipitous.
Salty PS fans fans of roguish adventurers, take this to heart: Overwhelming odds are that you'll get to play both this and UC4. Can MS fans hope for the same? Then who's getting the better deal, in the end?
Sounds a lot like Square Enix was flinching at the thought of competing directly against Uncharted 4, and MS swooped in to save them the immediate trouble. Serendipitous.
Salty PS fans fans of roguish adventurers, take this to heart: Overwhelming odds are that you'll get to play both this and UC4. Can MS fans hope for the same? Then who's getting the better deal, in the end?
they dont say it that way of course but they sure do advertise timed exclusives or exclusive content. get it here first!!!
This has been going on for years though, you sound like you have just learned of Timed Exclusives. It happened with BioShock 7yrs ago on 360 & it happened a few years ago with Ghostbusters on PS3. There are more examples, but those are two that popped into my head.
Do exclusive Xbone titles have "Only on Xbox" like the 360 exclusives did?
The Antitype
Banned
This is the E3 2014 trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhGEFLcPHsY
It was shown at the Xbox One press conference at E3.
There are no consoles announced. I can't find an article from e3 with a direct quote regarding platforms, only inference from news outlets (eg, IGN adding a PS4 entry for the game, etc). Only a time frame for release.
The fact that people made assumptions based on predominant business models for 3rd party releases doesn't entitle them to have those assumptions met.
TheLegendOfMart
Banned
Someone ban this fool.
It's not entitlement to expect to play the sequel to a series that has released ALL it's major sequels multiplatform, why bother releasing Definitive Edition for PS4 if they planned on making it Xbox Exclusive.
This is a simple, shortsighted cash grab, nothing more nothing less and it is probably going to spell the end for the Tomb Raider franchise/Crystal Dynamics if it is a full exclusive.
Probably because Microsoft wants the game to look like a major, major deal on their part. I doubt they want to say "here is this desired sequel that will probably be better on any other platform in a few months time" as the difference in multiplatform games has consistently had Xbox One at the bottom.
Funnily enough, David Cox at Konami talked about having HD assets and a scaled up version for Castlevania: Mirror of Fate literally weeks before the launch of the 3DS version, though as he was saying this it was marketed as an exclusive. When people heard about this and realized it was only timed exclusive ala Resident Evil Revelations, unless you were a hardcore fan, you were all but promised a better version on any other platform. Which was the case if you waited for the console ports, or waited slightly longer for the PC release.
It becomes safer to bank on that "exclusivity" by playing dumb about any other version, though it would be very easy to assume other versions in fact exist. And one would especially be keen on doing that when you're at risk of the game being better on other platforms, too. Though that can be altered if Microsoft actually funds exclusive content, which they have done for Tomb Raider Underworld and Dead Rising 2, making their 360 versions the definitive versions despite also having PC releases.
The Antitype
Banned
Disappointment: 'Man I wish I was getting this game'
Entitlement: 'How dare they not give me this game on the platform I want to play it on, at the same time others get to play it'
Quadraphonic
Member
Timed. It'd be absolutely impossible for S-E to turn down literally millions of dollars in revenue. MS couldn't afford to pay THAT much.
The Antitype
Banned
It's a timed exclusive.
I highly doubt I'm getting banned for any of the utterly reasonable things I've posted, but I wouldn't be shocked if you felt entitled to have anybody you wanted banned, gone.
It seems to be kind of a theme with you...
Ok Mr. Adam Smith, why not explain then. I gave reasoning. You've gave zero counterpoints to them and offered none of your own. Pray tell exactly what the motivation on Sony's part to money hat SC3 was.
See, when you hit that "post" button (or in this case the "quote" button under my username) you're supposed to then fill the white box with text consisting of some kind of valid debate relevant to the ongoing discussion in the thread. If you quote someone you should generally actually debate the points they made in particular. When you give a random throw away line like the quoted above it really adds nothing.
That's because for the longest time it was made to seem platform exclusive (MS apparently still wants people to believe this); it even said published by MS on an official press blurb before that got retracted. Because of that (and mostly semantics nitpicking by officials instead of confirming it's actually exclusive) it seems clear now that it is in fact timed exclusive--though that could still be Xbox and PC only for instance--and that MS paid extra for the developers to keep their mouth shut about other platforms until after release on the Xbox. Quite how they thought they would able to pull off such an impossible feat is anyone's guess though.
Zombie James
Banned
After the news at the Sony conference, I'd imagine a lot.
MrBenchmark
Member
Reminds me of when Nintendo had final fantasy and then jumped to sony good thing we didn't have the internet then.
This is why I own every console don't ever get or feel cheated. Everybody just breath
This is why I own every console don't ever get or feel cheated. Everybody just breath
silver.tongue
Member
How old are you? lol
Do we have a new wall of shame yet? Is that being compiled right now? Because it should be. Some of these reactions... yeesh.
I mean... I'll probably have an X1 by the time it comes out, so it's not like I'll be left without a way to play it. But if it's timed exclusive, then I won't even be playing it on the X1 anyways. Not if I can play it on PC or PS4. I dunno... nothing really lost here. I just will likely be playing it after its initial release. OH WELL.
I mean... I'll probably have an X1 by the time it comes out, so it's not like I'll be left without a way to play it. But if it's timed exclusive, then I won't even be playing it on the X1 anyways. Not if I can play it on PC or PS4. I dunno... nothing really lost here. I just will likely be playing it after its initial release. OH WELL.
twdnewh_k
Member
Yes it is unfortunate but the back-lash is too much. Every console gets 3rd party exclusives, and this might just be a timed one.
As a publisher or dev, sometimes you get offered a good financial incentive in return for timed exclusivity or otherwise, that is how the industry works. Specially considering how the industry has been suffering for sometime and the high risks involved in high budget games.
Some of the reactions here are appalling.
As a publisher or dev, sometimes you get offered a good financial incentive in return for timed exclusivity or otherwise, that is how the industry works. Specially considering how the industry has been suffering for sometime and the high risks involved in high budget games.
Some of the reactions here are appalling.
Spottiettiedop
Member
I know there is confusion on whether its a timed exclusive or not but is it possible that MS and SE are still negotiating and that could be the cause of vagueness?
SSPssp
Member
I don't know if you're serious, but I wouldn't think like this. I'm disappointed too (wanted it on PC), but I have all the consoles so that way I can play all the games that are out there.
Most people don't have the money to own multiple systems (at least in the early years) and Square will probably learn the hard way what limiting your potential audience can do to your sales. (Unless MS paid them an insane amount.)
So don't keep yourself from playing games you want to play. I doubt it will make a difference.
TheLegendOfMart
Banned
Whereas someone with Xbox linked avatar is in a thread riling people up calling them entitled and insane for wanting to play the next game in the franchise on the console that it sold the most on.
I don't think I am "entitled" to get anyone banned but you are causing more arguments than anything.
The Antitype
Banned
This isn't how PR works.
Money has clearly changed hands, if anybody asks SE or CD about Tomb Raider coming to other platforms after 2015, they're pretty much obligated to deny or deflect.
If these events were in closer proximity it'd probably also be a recipe to royally fuck up establishing a reliable fanbase, though that does make the press release funny in that being exclusive to the under performing console isn't really a great first step to re-establishing a long running series as one of the biggest.
It IS disappointing news that something like this would happen when it probably had no really good reason for happening IE funding development, though maybe SE is in that kind of spot now or otherwise has low confidence in Tomb Raider (or console games period) currently.