why no pc release if they want to avoid uncharted ?
Rise of the Tomb Raider timed Xbox exclusive for Holiday 2015 (No PS/PC, SE publish)
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why no pc release if they want to avoid uncharted ?
It actually not bad and a sequel to iron out issues and improve what groundwork been laid gives it great potential
shinra-bansho
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Given it's all but confirmed as timed, PS4 and PC are likely still in development as well.
Ah I see; yeah it stinks for sure from a "I wanted to play this game and I'm a PS4 gamer" standpoint.
Wasn't trying to direct my entire post at you either, just partly a general response to the thread. I have not enjoyed the general consumer culture online surrounding these new consoles at all; I think things have gotten too reactionary. Way too emotional. Pretty sure I'll be playing this game on PC probably around the time I'd have played it anyways myself.. lol.. if it's an outright exclusive, I probably won't be buying it at all.
AwakenedCloud
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I remember back at E3 2013 when people here were upset that FFXV and KHIII were coming to the X1.
ArkkAngel007
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I feel the same way about Capcom sometimes, so no worries. Thread is just a little nutty.
Hawkeye 131
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I sincerely hope this turns out to be a timed exclusive because if not it'll be an absolute joke and slap across the face of loyal fans. Why even make it exclusive in the first place? Tomb Raider was a good game, plus it sold like 6 million copies. Surely CD & Square must be in the black by now? It's been well over a year since it launched and it was re-released on PS4 & XB1 !!!
They clearly have the tech, the engine, the experience, the personnel and the capacity to do another multi-platform even if Nixxies takes care of the PC version again...
I mean fuck CD & Square if this turns out to be exclusive to XB1
They clearly have the tech, the engine, the experience, the personnel and the capacity to do another multi-platform even if Nixxies takes care of the PC version again...
I mean fuck CD & Square if this turns out to be exclusive to XB1
Emperor Bohe
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as an Xbox One owner, I feel meh about this. wish they would completely focus on developing/funding exclusives rather than buying them (though they do that as well) let everybody play the game... oh well I'm sure it'll come in 2016
Tomb Raider was not in any way a bad game per say. It was enjoyable, albeit not very Tomb Raidery. There's genuine disappointment when people were actually wanting to find out what happens next, but now a ton of players won't be able to unless they get an Xbox One. Most people thought this would get released on Ps4 and PC.
They screwed over their fanbase. Plain and simple.
They screwed over their fanbase. Plain and simple.
The backlash wouldn't be this immense if MS clearly stated the details of the exclusivity. A large part of the problem is that they are inexplicably allowing the narrative of MS being the villains of this generation to persist by treating us all like idiots with their marketing speak. Would it still irritate people if they announced it as the timed exclusive it likely is? Sure, just like it's irritating that Sony locked down exclusive DLC content for Destiny. But it wouldn't play so well into the "MS thinks you are a piece of shit and wants to trick you out of your money" narrative that they've been so expertly constructing so far.
It's not just what they've done that's irritating people, it's how they're delivering the message. The only way I can imagine them doing a worse job is if they said, "We're happy to announce that we've reached an agreement with Square Enix to not release Tomb Raider on the PS4. Gamers are such stupid losers."
Don't forget the PR statement from crystal saying it exclusive but please PS and PC users buy our other tomb raider games while MS plays sequel
Duxxy3
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Not pissing off fans is no guarantee of a profit.
Not according to all of the GOTY nominations it received.
scytherage
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Maybe the thinking at Square Enix was, Tomb Raider will never be as big as the Uncharted series unless they went exclusive. Also, 110% sure that Microsoft had to pay for this one, but that isn't really news, now is it? This can happen, and Sony can do the same for any other future third party game coming down the pipeline. This isn't 'evil' of MS or Square Enix, it's just business; there's nothing immoral or unethical about it at all.
Sure, fans of TR on Sony platforms are going to be upset. But that's console wars. If another game was announced third-party full exclusive to Playstation, this would be a different thread with Xbox owners lamenting it and Sony owners rubbing it in their faces...In the end, i think these companies don't think of the gamers when they make these decisions, they think of the money (which is how business is supposed to work anyway) and people should just get used to it.
Going back to my point about Tomb Raider trying to reach the same levels of fame as the Uncharted series, going full exclusive with one platform is a big risk but it has potentially high returns, only if Microsoft is going to push Lara Croft as a character that belongs on Xbox. If they co-market this and spend on marketing for it instead of Square Enix, it can be as big as Uncharted. It all depends on timing (no other major triple A releases on the same / competing platforms during the same time frame), and messaging (selling the game just like they sell Halo or Forza or Gears) if they want Tomb Raider to stay exclusive. Otherwise, it would be money wasted for Microsoft if TR doesn't do well on a single platform, and then we'll see it on the other platforms immediately after that.
Sure, fans of TR on Sony platforms are going to be upset. But that's console wars. If another game was announced third-party full exclusive to Playstation, this would be a different thread with Xbox owners lamenting it and Sony owners rubbing it in their faces...In the end, i think these companies don't think of the gamers when they make these decisions, they think of the money (which is how business is supposed to work anyway) and people should just get used to it.
Going back to my point about Tomb Raider trying to reach the same levels of fame as the Uncharted series, going full exclusive with one platform is a big risk but it has potentially high returns, only if Microsoft is going to push Lara Croft as a character that belongs on Xbox. If they co-market this and spend on marketing for it instead of Square Enix, it can be as big as Uncharted. It all depends on timing (no other major triple A releases on the same / competing platforms during the same time frame), and messaging (selling the game just like they sell Halo or Forza or Gears) if they want Tomb Raider to stay exclusive. Otherwise, it would be money wasted for Microsoft if TR doesn't do well on a single platform, and then we'll see it on the other platforms immediately after that.
ugh yes their official statement was just terrible
I love that.. Why the fuck are you asking the fanbase you screwed over to buy the prequel to a game that they won't be able to play because you took a moneyhat.. It's PR gone wrong in all ways.
Prove it
Maybe in quality, but judging by this thread it's a big enough title to spur some massive response.
pissing off fans certainly doesn't help your chances of profit
plasmawave
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If this game was exclusive to Xbox from the get-go, you know damn well MS would have made that clear when they showed it at E3.
How would it be different? Sony would also be paying to keep the next Silent Hill away from Xbox and PC. Konami doesn't need Sony`s help or money to make the next Silent Hill.
WonkyPanda
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Who knows? Price could've been right for both sides, and MS got a competitor to the UC series. It's tough to say without knowing more, but simply being a "mediocre" game does not equate to poor sales. On the contrary, unfortunately.
Night Angel
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As a multi console owner, this is annoying as fuck. MS should be spending their money developing new games instead of money hatting games that are already going to come out regardless.
That being said, I never bothered to play the new TR anyway. Might give this one a rent if I have time, but I'm not going to but it/support this annoying shit.
That being said, I never bothered to play the new TR anyway. Might give this one a rent if I have time, but I'm not going to but it/support this annoying shit.
SeventhSon
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I hate moneyhats.
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Probably to ensure they hit the release window.
Realistically there's no upside to not releasing it on PC at some point. Its not a win for SE and its not a win for MS, which suggests to me that it will happen at some point after they fulfil their commitments on Xbone.
I'd be very, very, surprised if a PS4 version isn't released at some point though. The sheer amount of money MS would have to compensate for a permanent exclusivity deal on a franchise with solid track-record sales-wise, would be prohibitive imho.
Duxxy3
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Maybe, but you still need to get the game out the door first.
Chobel
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A multiplatform game will be bigger if it went exclusive? HAHAHAHA!
shacklesmcgee
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This deal actually doesn't benefit one single consumer, X1 owners were always getting the game, while PC and PS4 don't. To anyone defending this...c'mon, really?
Ghost_Messiah
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Well this turned out to be an epic thread. This is without a shadow of a doubt the most shocking and powerful news to come out of Gamescom. I read an article about this on Polygon that summed up my perspective entirely; that this is a signal and indicator that Microsoft might be fighting back via opening their wallet to secure multiple third party exclusives and become aggressive with their war chest using that as a mechanism to regain lost ground.
The PS4 is doing stupendously well for Sony but Sony as a company cannot and chooses not to compete with Microsoft via this mechanism. They hold negotiations, they secure exclusive content but they absolutely do not throw hundreds of millions of dollars at developers and forcefully acquire exclusives like Microsoft does and it's simply because in corporate terms Microsoft is a financial colossus whilst Sony remains shrouded in their shadow.
If this is what Microsoft is going to do moving forward we might just see one hell of a battle moving forward. Many assumed Sony had this generation locked up (even I did) but if Microsoft is going to continue to compete with this degree of momentum and force it might just not be.
The PS4 is doing stupendously well for Sony but Sony as a company cannot and chooses not to compete with Microsoft via this mechanism. They hold negotiations, they secure exclusive content but they absolutely do not throw hundreds of millions of dollars at developers and forcefully acquire exclusives like Microsoft does and it's simply because in corporate terms Microsoft is a financial colossus whilst Sony remains shrouded in their shadow.
If this is what Microsoft is going to do moving forward we might just see one hell of a battle moving forward. Many assumed Sony had this generation locked up (even I did) but if Microsoft is going to continue to compete with this degree of momentum and force it might just not be.
Are people seriously thinking Tomb Raider will be a competitor to Uncharted...? If so, I'd like to have some of that kool aid you guys are drinking.
Allonym
There should be more tampons in gaming
I understand your perspective but to say they(SE/CD) haven't done a disservice to their fans that exist within the PS and PC communities would be an understatement and quite honestly they are responsible for much of the sales this reboot of TR has received. It is a short sighted strategy IF this game remains exclusive to XB1 because they'll have not only have a loss of sales but a loss of fans as well. This revulsion you're witnessing could potentially carry over into other series as well and affect their respective sales. However if it's a timed exclusive then SE now have the ability to profit from MS's money while also later releasing on PS4 and PC to recoup those sales, so for them it'd be a win-win as those truly interested in the game would purchase it.
Mr Moose
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I enjoyed Tomb Raider DE, I was planning on buying the next game too. If this is exclusive or timed, I won't be buying it or any other game they churn out.
TIMtationX
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If this was a real exclusive, they wouldn't just say "Exclusive for Holiday 2015" to every question. They'd be perfectly clear.
Its clearly apart of the deal to not say its timed, until its already out on Xbox One.
Its clearly apart of the deal to not say its timed, until its already out on Xbox One.
Chobel
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You actually believe SE couldn't have released RoTR without MS help?
Pissing off fans worked amazingly well for Capcom with DmC: Devil May Cry
Oh wait.....it didn't
I think publishers underestimate gamers sometimes, fans can take shit personal and next level of crazy . It mixture of scary and amazement people take gaming and being a fan certain series so serious
Oh wait.....it didn't
I think publishers underestimate gamers sometimes, fans can take shit personal and next level of crazy . It mixture of scary and amazement people take gaming and being a fan certain series so serious
Fucking seriously.
WonkyPanda
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Traditionally, when two games are near-equvalents in style and gameplay, yes, they are competitors. Simply because one outsells the other, by potentially a large, large margin, doesn't mean they're not in competition. I don't see TR making 1/2 of UC4's sales. That doesn't mean they're not in competition.
I don't deny that a timed exclusive will more than likely be a far better strategy for CD/SE. The alienation aspect is simply odd to me, however. Without knowing more, we can't unequivocally saying there is any alienation here. Secondly, the point, most likely, for MS is to push sales. Sure, some fans can't afford a new console; I can't deny that. But, it wouldn't surprise me to see MS shoring up a lot of the advertisement costs and potentially having a bundled console with the game. I've purchased a console before for an exclusive, it's nothing new to me, and I imagine many people on this forum, too. It's not crazy to think that others would purchase a new XB1 for this game, along with a stronger catalog of games from MS.
eyeball_kid
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Tomb Raider: Rise of the Moneyhat
...There's no way this won't be multi-plat. AAA budgets are just too big, and MS's new CEO is a bit more conservative with throwing money at things, so I doubt they'd absorb that level of financial loss.
...There's no way this won't be multi-plat. AAA budgets are just too big, and MS's new CEO is a bit more conservative with throwing money at things, so I doubt they'd absorb that level of financial loss.
Yeah seems weird, but opinions man... I remember a thread in here in which a lot of people said Tomb Raider > Uncharted.
so.. ¯\_(ツ
_/¯ I mostly prefer Xbox but would rather them investing in new IPs instead of buying time exclusives fro existing ones.
Bam Bam Baklava
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This is like saying MLB baseball and Madden are competitors because they are both sports games.
Yep I agree. But since we're not 100% sure if it's a timed exclusive (of a permanent exclusive), we don't know if they're focusing only on XBO or not.
It's too strange both MS and SE can't have a clear statement "RotTR is only coming on Xbox One, the only release date is Holiday 2015, won't ever come on PS4, PC or any other system, period."
Cant see that happening, Uncharted 4 will probably outsell TR by atleast double.
njean777
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That was a whole different situation that was unwarranted. This situation is warranted however.
Sola Scriptura
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If it were a full exclusive that never would appear on PS4, Microsoft would have made that known and LOUDLY.
Seriously, people. This shouldn't even be open to debate. It's a timed exclusive, and Microsoft is playing coy simply because it's in their best interest not to admit that it's a timed exclusive.
Seriously, people. This shouldn't even be open to debate. It's a timed exclusive, and Microsoft is playing coy simply because it's in their best interest not to admit that it's a timed exclusive.
boredandlazy
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If for example the new Silent Hill game would not exist without Sony's help then that is completely different to Microsoft paying SE money to not release on other platforms.