I'm surprised by the vitriol towards this announcement. It makes sense for all parties involved. I'm presuming this will release alongside Uncharted. From Sony's perspective, they don't want two games out at the same time that appeal to the exact same people. Microsoft need something to counter Uncharted and Square would want some breathing space from the inevitable Naughty Dog comparisons. Timed exclusive on xone makes sense. As a ps4 owner and fan of both franchises I would be grabbing Uncharted day 1 and waiting for tomb raider to drop in price. The delayed release means I'll probably grab it day one as well.
Rise of the Tomb Raider timed Xbox exclusive for Holiday 2015 (No PS/PC, SE publish)
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Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
And we know how this deal came about? All I see are assumptions right now.
We don't even know if it's timed or permanent, and if it's permanent then I think there may be more going on than Microsoft simply buying the rights to the title. That seems like it would cost a bit too much when Microsoft typically goes for timed exclusive content (not even titles). Granted, I don't think this is going to be a permanent exclusive, but right now it's an assumption either way. A lot of people assumed that TitanFall was "money-hatted" too, when it was way more complicated than that.
Mr Moose
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omg you can't seriously be thinking this is the same..... Sony funding their own studio and publishing a game is different than a third party developing and publishing and MS coming in and saying just don't release it on any other console....
Duxxy3
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I don't know, it's not exactly a small game to create.
You wouldn't think that EA would need help to release Titanfall, but apparently they did.
Whoever thinks that I want some of the drugs they are on. It's like saying a new Resistance could outsell Halo 5.
Darryl M R
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I didn't know Tomb Raider had such a big following. . I never finished the last game and I sold it to GameStop for a fraction of what it had cost.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Are you comparing pissed off Sony fans when games went multiplatform to a game that has no real Xbox history going exclusive for no reason?
A lot of the hubbub about this deal is that it's the first one in a while that just doesn't make much sense.
Before the X1 was announced, it was pretty easy to see someone betting on microsoft and placing their chips, like titanfall, in that basket.
But now, it doesn't seem like a win for either MS or Square if this is actually a timed exclusive. Games are front loaded. TR is going to need a lot of sales to cover it's costs. Hard to see the PS4 and PC versions selling as much 6 months after a X1 launch.
And the messaging about this deal has been terrible
Before the X1 was announced, it was pretty easy to see someone betting on microsoft and placing their chips, like titanfall, in that basket.
But now, it doesn't seem like a win for either MS or Square if this is actually a timed exclusive. Games are front loaded. TR is going to need a lot of sales to cover it's costs. Hard to see the PS4 and PC versions selling as much 6 months after a X1 launch.
And the messaging about this deal has been terrible
Mr Moose
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yep! once they nailed down Titanfall exclusivity they made it pretty darn clear. the fact they they can't do that here makes it all pretty obvious
LordBaztion
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as exclusive and partnering the marketing with MS they have more chances to get brand recognition. Just think how much popular would be Ryse if it was publisher on all platforms by Deep Silver marketing machine. This is a long term investment yo build the brand and nothing stops SE to release the game on other platforms once the exclusicity is over. If the game is good PS4 users will buy it, maybe except those who sign the petition that included a boicot.
I don't care about waiting for a while. I'm okay with that, I'm patient and poor, so it's not a big deal.
What annoys me is that this is MS's reaction to their own incompetence: they are basically just punishing PS4 owners for not buying their console. They fucked this situation up, and their way of 'fixing' it is a lazy, scummy kick in the ass for the people who they alienated with their own choices.
WonkyPanda
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No, it actually isn't. There are clear distinctions between the two. The umbrella of shooters encompass third person shooters and first person shooters. Taken further, simply look at the similarity in style of play and narrative between TR and UC. Do you really think those similarities are equivalent to what you'd see comparing football to MLB? C'mon, Bam.
EDIT: soccer for baseball. Not there right now.
ms funded both
How do you know ?. Square already bitched about the fact the first one didn't sell enough and didnt meet their expectations. Do you 100% know that Square would have made the game by themselves if not for MS helping them ??.
There are several IPs like Just Cause, Neir, Sleeping Dogs sitting dormant even though they were loved by fans. Tombraider is not a block buster must have for Square. It very well could be MS answer to Uncharted. Rather than them blocking Square.
Bam Bam Baklava
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There's plenty of TPS games out there I can hardly think of many that compete with each other in the same sense that BF and COD compete or NBA Live competes with NBA 2K and so on.
They just happen to share a genre.
Are you serious?
Tomb Raider is a household brand. It has spawned multiple big budget movies with A list stars, and merchandise.
How is going to Microsoft and limiting the player base going to give them more exposure?
I'm pretty sure it's
1. On fundamental level / principles primarily
2. TRE did really well on PS4 (game drought aside) even pushing 2:1 PS4:XB1
3. TR has always been a PS (& PC) franchise.
4. Also, almost all of the lastest TR games have been multi, have they not?
i guess it is similar to resident evil remake/zero/4 - i remember a similar backlash to that announcement, i suppose for the same reasons.
Just curious, but why would you grab it day one? It would probably be full price at $60. And if you could wait six to twelve months for the title, then surely you could wait another one to two months for the price to drop drastically if it bombs.
WonkyPanda
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And you don't think that the similarities between TR and UC are such that they are near-idnentical games? I'd never say ME competes with UC, even though both are TPS. The style of gameplay is so drastically different, and the themes are strikingly even more so, that I'd never say they compete with one another.
However, again, there's more there for TR and UC. In fact, just google it. The comparisons of both games against one another are plentiful and there is a reason for that.
SE did not need help funding this game.
BloodBorne is a new ip, Dark souls 3 is more then likely still in the pipeline.
Dead rising was an exclusive before the multiplat sequel. third one isn't exclusive anymore anyway.
Dead or alive and Bayonetta are the only real ones but even then dead or alive went to pretty much everything after 4. even handhelds.
What the fuck is a Dreamfall Chapters? Who is Wild?
wild is being made by the cosmic savior michel ancel. it will absolve us mere mortals of our sins.
Bam Bam Baklava
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I'm saying having a couple similarities doesn't mean much let alone mean they are direct competitors.
TheDangerMan
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I have no problems with exclusives, and by the end of this generation I assume I will own both consoles. I always do - because of the exclusives. But this move bothers me.
I don't get how the defenders of this don't see the difference between a desperate MS moneyhatting a game half of the way through its development cycle and putting cash down up front to publish an actual new IP.
Frankly this news should suck for you if you are an XB1 fan too. That money, along with all the money wasted on timed exclusives (I'm looking at you too here PS4), could have gone towards creating something new. I don't care if the "other side" gets the same content I do, I care about my own experiences.
One less original IP by the end of this generation as I see it... lose lose. XB1 was already getting Tomb Raider.
I don't get how the defenders of this don't see the difference between a desperate MS moneyhatting a game half of the way through its development cycle and putting cash down up front to publish an actual new IP.
Frankly this news should suck for you if you are an XB1 fan too. That money, along with all the money wasted on timed exclusives (I'm looking at you too here PS4), could have gone towards creating something new. I don't care if the "other side" gets the same content I do, I care about my own experiences.
One less original IP by the end of this generation as I see it... lose lose. XB1 was already getting Tomb Raider.
Chobel
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BAM!
BlackBuzzard
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Tiny game called Uncharted 4 dont know if you heard of it?
What?
Uncharted 1-3.
Shpeshal Nick
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If this is all but confirmed to be timed, why are so many still so pissed off?
The game will still come to PS4 at some point. A PS4 only owner will still be able to buy the game. It's still the same game 6 months later.
The game will still come to PS4 at some point. A PS4 only owner will still be able to buy the game. It's still the same game 6 months later.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
At that point ND had already been making games exclusively for the PS1 for a few years, whereas TR has never been platform-exclusive, so it doesn't quite compare, I'd say.
I'd buy that long before I'd buy the new TR tbh. Give me Sully's 'stache remastered on the PS4 <3
I wonder if this actually helps UC4 sales?
Jimmyfenix
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Oh square..
NoMoreTrolls
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You know nothing, Jon Snow.
boredandlazy
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How do you know?
If the new Tomb Raider was exclsuive to XBox at E3 Microsoft would have mentioned it then. Therefore the logical assumption is that it was multiplatform at that stage.
overdrivex
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xbox
Colbert
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Source?
BlackBuzzard
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How is that even remotely the same thing.
now I actually wonder if an Uncharted Collection would actually sell more than an Xbox One exclusive Tomb Raider
And here I am thinking Microsoft dropping off a pile of cash in front of CD = Microsoft funding CD
It's the same equation. Input cash, output exclusivity. Sony and Microsoft just go about it different ways. Sony prefers to buy. Microsoft prefers to rent.
So Konami was not going to make a new Silent Hill for this gen? No way. You know that. They made a fucking Silent Hill for the Vita even. A Silent Hill for this gen was always going to happen.
Either way, I am not upset about either exclusive. It is business I understand that. Sony would be smart to money hat the next Silent Hill. Super smart.
I just find it funny people are upset about one and not the other and are looking for ways to justify that.
The fact that this announcement has generated so much discussion suggests to me it was a smart decision. It's obviously a popular title.
I guess this is kind of a shock to people like it was back in the late 1990s when Tomb Raider 2 skipped Sega Saturn. At least for PS4/PC owners this is only a timed exclusive, isn't it? In that sense may as well sit tight and see if its a good game.
I guess this is kind of a shock to people like it was back in the late 1990s when Tomb Raider 2 skipped Sega Saturn. At least for PS4/PC owners this is only a timed exclusive, isn't it? In that sense may as well sit tight and see if its a good game.
Bloodborne doesn't really count unless you consider it a sequel to Dark Souls 2, which while it's related in blood to the souls series... Is still a new IP.