Chobel
Member
Delayed ports usually (always?) don't sell well.
I'm taking about +2016 when it hits PC/PS4.
Rise of the Tomb Raider timed Xbox exclusive for Holiday 2015 (No PS/PC, SE publish)
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Delayed ports usually (always?) don't sell well.
I'm taking about +2016 when it hits PC/PS4.
Zok310
Banned
Sony can kill shit like this by telling devs that if your game is not on PS4 day and date as the Xbox then it can never come to PS. Sony dont get it day 1, you lose access to the PS user base for that title.
Force MS/Sony or the competing company to buy the game outright or settle for exclusive DLC.
Force MS/Sony or the competing company to buy the game outright or settle for exclusive DLC.
Not meI hope other people will tell them to fuck off, too, by voting with their wallet.
Says Xbox exclusive, so probably.
We're an incredibly fickle bunch. You'll all forget it by the time this comes out.
Except when they're noteworthy improvements. If SE/CD offer to stroke the ego of PS4 owners they will show up.
PhantomZone
Member
This doesn't really impact me much as the franchise was top notch in the playstation era (personally my interest hit it's highest point with TR 2 and that was a longggggg time ago). I do have the rebooted game on 360/ps3/pc... only because i got each of them cheap (under $20, or free via psn+).
I would play the sequel if offered but i wouldn't seek it out and buy it as a new release.
I would play the sequel if offered but i wouldn't seek it out and buy it as a new release.
They won't have to compete directly with Uncharted 4. Xbox One will see a huge surge of sales when Halo 5 is released in (presumably) September, and by November those new owners will be looking for something new to play.
On top of that, MS will spend a ridiculous amount of money marketing the game. Half the reason Tomb Raider 2013 wasn't successful is because of SE's insane marketing expenditures.
FairXchange
Member
That's wishful thinking, and what about all those consumers that would have been there on the platform that just announced 10 million sold-in to consumers in August of 2014. C'mon, this is exactly what I'm talking about. The deal may have been a great cash infusion for CD and SE, but it lacks integrity and disrespects the consumers that supported their first game the most on the new consoles.
I had my pre-order of Rise of the Tomb Raider for PS4, and I don't think I want to switch for my Xbox One. I'll just wait until this timed exclusivity is up and get it on the platform I had it pre-ordered for, instead of letting them decide for me.
overdrivex
Banned
del toro working on a project does not guarantee a dam thing. Insane, justice league dark, At the Mountains of Madness, beauty, PINOCCHIO.
unless we have a release date and gameplay, i aint getting excited.
Yah its reveal was a shock at first, then when i relaxed i was reminded of my many disappointments regarding a Del Toro project.
That sounds terrible.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
I think they could pull this off.
But it COULD come back and bite them too. Look where Nintendo are right now with 3rd parties as a result if these sorts of tactics in the 80's and 90's.
Metallix87
Member
Wouldn't that only sour relations with third parties, something Sony really can't afford to do?
AwakenedCloud
Member
Confusion that was cleared up in less than 6 hours for a product that's not coming out for another year and change hardly seems worth 6,000 angry replies.
Isn't that the exact same policy the Microsoft has with indie games on X1 right now that has everyone up in arms? Not a good idea.
Are you serious? Sony would have died long ago with this kind of attitude.
Mr Moose
Member
I bet you I won't
I don't buy EA games because of their bullshit, I won't buy this either.I think that's MS' deal towards indies.
meanspartan
Member
And throw in a demand for higher framerate or resolution or both for the PS version while we're at it ;-)
statham
Member
I was waiting for QD game before I purchase a PS4, if this was only on PS4, I would purchase one soony.
Chobel
Member
Such as?
So basically you are asking Sony to implement its own parity clause?
lmao
meanspartan
Member
It would escalate the console war "Arms race", which ya may be a bad idea for Sony given they are nowhere near as rich as Microsoft.
LordBaztion
Member
1. Does not necesarilly mean that the game will be bad regarded for PC or PS users, there will be some users that will be pleased to have that high profile game on their platform (probably not the Gaf joe).
2. Probably won't do it that great if is launched on PS4 competing with Uncharted supported by the Sony marketing machine. Still doesn't explain why ignore PC, probably the benefit on the console crowd are biggger than making PC gamers wait.
overdrivex
Banned
alright.
I bet you I won't
I don't believe you. As soon as SE announces some exclusive FFXV or KH3 stuff because legacy you and a bunch of others will forgive them.
TR
EEdge_Maverick
Member
Will only play if Lightning is in it.
What a completely boneheaded stipulation.
Create extra drama, strain publisher relations, possibly lose a game that could be in your console's portfolio.
KampferZeon
Neo Member
I agree. Sony doesn't have to play nice and could easily counter this by releasing one or two of their big exclusives around the same time.
By holiday 2015, Sony could also give the PS4 a price cut, that alone will be huge.
This wont hurt the sony. After all its only a timed exclusive.
On the other hand, doesn't this suggest Microsoft still doesn't have a long term strategy yet.
Microsoft only has this moneyhat timed exclusive for this year gamescom. Not much else.
If square and microsoft had stuck the deal in E3, I think the timed exclusive thing will be a little bit easier for ppl to accept.
Anyway its only been a few months between E3 and gamescom. The xbox sales data is still disappointing and they finally decided they are willing to pay
I really dont see how this is a good decision for MS or SE. It just seems remarkably dumb on all accounts. What exactly do they get out of this?
Microsoft
Cost:
Gain:
Square Enix
Cost:
Gain:
Neither's gains seem like they are worth the opportunity cost of lost sales either on the competing platforms or the impact of the ill will with their potential customers.
I just dont see how this pays off for either party here. Am I missing something?
Microsoft
Cost:
- Obligation for marketing costs for the title in question
- High likelihood of a massive up front sunk cost to secure exclusivity
- Significant resentment and bad PR from a "bought exclusive"
- Further ill will and resentment from the existing fanbases (of the franchise and competing platforms) who do not currently own the system making it even less likely for them to pick it up in the future.
Gain:
- Exclusivity on a title that will not move a substantial number of units for them
- A cookie for their current userbase to enjoy
Square Enix
Cost:
- Substantial amount of ill will and resentment form their franchise's fanbase
- Lost sales from a large user base one of which outsold the exclusive platform 2:1 on their previous entry in the franchise.
- Likelihood of impeded sales on other platforms for future releases in the franchises due to the negative implications of brand association and exclusivity
Gain:
- Recoup development costs
- Save money on marketing
- Possiblity of avoiding a sales slaughter from the release of Uncharted 4.
Neither's gains seem like they are worth the opportunity cost of lost sales either on the competing platforms or the impact of the ill will with their potential customers.
I just dont see how this pays off for either party here. Am I missing something?
IMACOMPUTA
Member
Fixed
overdrivex
Banned
how long till ms outright buys the franchise + acquire crystal dynamics
meanspartan
Member
How is that difficult to figure out? Ps4 is noticeably more powerful than the X1. So unless the game is running at full 1080p60 on X1 and they do a straight port, Ps4 will have somewhere to top the X1 version in either resolution, framerate, or both.
Metallix87
Member
Not only that, but Sony would have an even harder time surviving without third parties than Nintendo and possibly even Microsoft. It would be ridiculously foolish of them to do that.
Just guessing, but next TR will sell 100% more on XboxOne than on PS4...
Those strong-arm tactics don't generally work well at all with big publishers...
And on an opinion level, that's not a good idea.
These games are going to launch at (roughly) the same time. If you're a PlayStation 4 owner and you want to play Rise of the Tomb Raider before Uncharted: A Thief's End, you're doing it wrong.
Seriously, why can't people see what's going on?
Sony is going to throw all their money at Uncharted 4 to make it a big deal. Microsoft will pay lots of money to Square to make Tomb Raider a big deal on the Xbox.
* Square gets to avoid fighting for the same third-person adventure fans as Uncharted at release - but still get PS4 sales in (early?) 2016.
* Square gets all kinds of promotional support from Microsoft so that the market takes note of the game - which will help awareness of the product for the later PS4 and PC launches, too.
* And a series that underwhelmed in sales its last go-round gets to be a much safer bet now with Microsoft cashy.
I'm a PC-first gamer. I'm choosing to read this news as Tomb Raider delayed to 2016 and be done with it.
Seriously, why can't people see what's going on?
Sony is going to throw all their money at Uncharted 4 to make it a big deal. Microsoft will pay lots of money to Square to make Tomb Raider a big deal on the Xbox.
* Square gets to avoid fighting for the same third-person adventure fans as Uncharted at release - but still get PS4 sales in (early?) 2016.
* Square gets all kinds of promotional support from Microsoft so that the market takes note of the game - which will help awareness of the product for the later PS4 and PC launches, too.
* And a series that underwhelmed in sales its last go-round gets to be a much safer bet now with Microsoft cashy.
I'm a PC-first gamer. I'm choosing to read this news as Tomb Raider delayed to 2016 and be done with it.
Mr Moose
Member
I don't believe you. As soon as SE announces some exclusive FFXV or KH3 stuff because legacy you and a bunch of others will forgive them.
TR
Well, like I have said already, I am buying Final Fantasy XV, but I bet you I won't but another Tomb Raider OR QD game
shacklesmcgee
Member
So it's...timed? or not timed? Because it looks like MS and SE say it's exclusive, while insiders say timed. So no, it's not cleared up.
Infernostew
Member
They sell much worse.
You forgot adding not going head to head with the undisputed champion of the Genre. You think anyone wants to go directly against Naughty God right now? This gets them cash lets them avoid getting killed by Uncharted 4 on the PS4. Lets them release the game in a more friendly time of the year on the PS4.
That sounds like an awful idea and one that would completely backfire on them.
Sony will probably do absolutely nothing, including not helping Square Enix promote the title, outside of some Playstation Blog posts, if and when it is announced for the PS4 (unless there is some exclusive content involved).
Chobel
Member
TR
1) They won't do that because it will piss MS?
2) TR
E sales were not good in PS4/XB1You misunderstood me, of course PS4 version will be better, but because it's delayed port it won't sell that well.
Probably, considering that Microsoft and Square Enix are big companies that both have employees who are paid to figure out if deals like this are advantageous.
In my own opinion, you're massively overestimating the long term "ill will" that is going to drawn to either party, and underestimating the possible benefit to Microsoft. Especially if this game turns out to be completely kickass and gets great word of mouth alongside their marketing efforts. Also, after Square's completely unrealistic sales expectations for Tomb Raider 2013, their #1 priority with this one is risk mitigation... get a bunch of money upfront and "see how it goes" on one platform, with also being able to fall back on ports once the exclusivity period is up. They literally can't lose, they just might not make as much as they could have.
Metallix87
Member
If that happens, that would again only sour relations with a big third party publisher. Not smart.
If the game comes to PS4 at some point, Sony will act happy about it, even if they're not.
Infernostew
Member
Or they could've launched the game either a month or 2 before or after Uncharted 4 on consoles and PC. This avoiding Uncharted excuse is getting tiring.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
This happened with Ace Combat last gen, a series that was basically only on PlayStation.
Microsoft got Ace Combat 6 as an exclusive that did terribly and so the next game they tried to reinvent themselves which the hardcore fans that were waiting on a PS3 Ace Combat hated.
So that also failed.
So Ace Combat is stuck as a F2P game now.
The official communications from both parties state that it is exclusive. "Insiders" say otherwise. Insiders have, in the past, also stated that the assets in Titanfall would not change from the alpha versions even when Respawn said differently so I'd take it with a grain of salt.
That's the Playstation Blog Posts that I mentioned. That's where they'll act happy. But they sure as hell won't help pay advertising costs or mention it on stage at E3 2016 unless there's some kind of exclusive content added in.
So basically exaclty what Microsoft does with the Indie parity clause? Yea as much as i despise this bought exclusive or bought timed exclusive nonsense this doesnt seem like the best way to address the problem. Consumers just need to speak with their wallets exactly like they did with the XB1 preorders. If we make it clear that this is not a profitable or favorable (from a pr standpoint) strategy then it will die.
Infernostew
Member
They also did this with Tales of and it cost them big time.
Unknown One
Member
Consumers don't even need to vote for their wallets. SE/MS are asking for Identification cards for voting and it requires an Xbone.