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[vas_a_morir]

So it's all a distraction.

It's critical information, whether we like it or not. Fundamentally changes the narrative in a huge way. And, would explain why it's not so simple to charge the guy immediately, in the sense that he may have been within protocol. Whether or not the protocol should change concerning this will still be an important discussion to be had, but legally, it's no minor detail.

I'm wondering if the police are saying this was why the officer approached them in the first place.

This was the original story I had heard. It wasn't until eye-witness testimony that the narrative about 'get out of the street' began.

 

[Duane Cunningham]

From the link posted before:
http://www.ksdk.com/media/cinematic/gallery/13835707/police-shooting-at-canfield-green-apartments/

Too bad we can't see the bill of the hat. If you bump up the contrast in Photoshop of the surveillance video pic, you can tell the shoplifter's Cardinals hat has a black bill.

 

[captive]

I have a feeling this isn't going to end well for anyone...the cop is going to get off, maybe some riots occur again...another injustice and it will happen again soon.

happen again soon? Its happened like 6 times in the last two weeks.


Also, guys, you are falling into exactly what they want you to fall for, instead of still being outraged that no one has been charged, everyone is now saying well.... he allegedly robbed a place.

 

[everyday math]

My view has changed on this case.

And that would be....?

 

[KingGondo]

The thing is - we are not. This was something that was mentioned during the beginning of the narrative and got swept aside until today. I believe that the police department decided to refocus it today, due to the release of the name of the police officer who shot Brown.

It's not that I don't believe you, but #iwannaseethereceipts.

I hadn't heard a thing about him being suspected of a crime until today.

 

[DECK'ARD]

It's not that I don't believe you, but #iwannaseethereceipts.

I hadn't heard a thing about him being suspected of a crime until today.

It's on the first page of the thread.

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=124649192

 

[Lan Dong Mik]

semi graphic pic, with excellent caption / point attached
http://i.imgur.com/wMI811J.png

If that's Brown in the pic to the right, it looks to me like it's pretty close to a possibly assault/robbery but it's hard to say for sure. I'd like to see the video if one exists. And if he truly did assault an officer afterwards and go for his gun, then the cop obviously has every right to defend himself and take action. The cop was apparently treated for injuries as well.

I don't think the cop was in the right to shoot the kid multiple times, totally uncalled for and I think he'll do time, but if the reports are true then I'm sorry but I have a tough time believing Brown is innocent in this. Did he deserve to lose his life? No. However there is no question that if the reports are true then the kid would be alive today if he didn't make the mistakes he made that day. It's a very sad situation for everyone involved.

 

[KHarvey16]

That was my first thought too, but is that in the shooting report? Did they release that?

Looks like the report they released is from the robbery only.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

I hate to admit it, but if he indeed did push a smaller, older man into a rack of items in the process of robbing him then my image of him has changed quite a bit, as has my focus on this injustice.

Is it wrong? Of course, but it's human nature.

It's kind of fuzzy.

If he walked in and said, "give me those cigars or I'm going to push you around/down," that could be considered a robbery by definition.

If the clerk caught him in the act of taking the cigars and tried to stop him as he left getting pushed in the process, that would be shoplifting plus battery/simple assault.

Of course, neither scenario should end with Brown dead.

 

[everyday math]

It's critical information, whether we like it or not. Fundamentally changes the narrative in a huge way. And, would explain why it's not so simple to charge the guy immediately, in the sense that he may have been within protocol. Whether or not the protocol should change concerning this will still be an important discussion to be had, but legally, it's no minor detail.

Within protocol to shoot an unarmed man?

Plus I don't like how the report seems to be only about the robbery.

 

[BronsonLee]

Looks like the report they released is from the robbery only.

...Oh I don't like that at all.

 

[BFIB]

Looks like the report they released is from the robbery only.

Yep, nothing on the shooting incident. As someone previous said, PD is trickling out this info. to put Michael Brown in a bad light.

 

[milquetoast]

And that would be....?

I will no longer attend the planned vigil in town tonight. That is all I will say.

 

[Badosh]

no link, but on MSNBC the host just said, "my producer has just said that police have confirmed that Michael Brown is the person in the robbery pictures"

doesn't change the situation in my opinion.

 

[Joel Was Right]

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...-michael-brown-robbing-store-before-shooting/

 

[CountBlack]

Darren Wilson gonna get that nice paid vacation.

Media and the police gonna spin this shit out of control.

I just can't.

 

[devilhawk]

It's fucking amazing all the new posters we've acquired in this thread as soon as people are thinking there's some possibility that this kid was involved in a robbery

I've been here the whole time. I've also been waiting for more information.

 

[CrankyJay]

happen again soon? Its happened like 6 times in the last two weeks.


Also, guys, you are falling into exactly what they want you to fall for, instead of still being outraged that no one has been charged, everyone is now saying well.... he allegedly robbed a place.

No we're not. The shooting was still unjustified in pretty much everyone's eyes.

 

[Future PhaZe]

Well its an important link. The robbery suspect thing eliminates speculation of this officer simply racially profiling him and creating the altercation. And honestly thats huge in any situation with a jury involved. From there, it's just his word vs someone that's dead in regards to what happened in the car.

Still can't think of any justification of shooting an unarmed man with his hands in the air, but I'm sure they'll think of something to create a reasonable doubt if this goes to trial.

 

[marrec]

Guys, when I was 16 I nabbed a snickers from my local gas station.

Please don't kill me.

 

[Tripon]

The Fugerson PD is looking for a fight. They know they're fucked so they're going to try to bring everyone down to their level.

 

[Badosh]

Guys, when I was 16 I nabbed a snickers from my local gas station.

Please don't kill me.

Are you white? If so, carry on.

 

[BHZ Mayor]

Quick question. If Brown was indeed the suspect in the robbery, then why did the officer tell him and his friend to get out of the street instead of trying to arrest them? Why was there no mention of an attempted arrest by police if this part was false?

Just that alone tells anyone with sense that what happened at the store and what happened on that street are totally unrelated.

 

[vas_a_morir]

Within protocol to shoot an unarmed man?

It is my understanding that a suspect who is fleeing the scene of a violent felony and is believed to be a danger to others can be fired upon. Key word, though "May." He may have been within protocol. If he shot the kid, and he goes 'please sir, I surrender" and he walks up to him and shoots him 8 times after that? probably not within protocol, but there still has to be a lengthy internal review. My point being, it's not a fast process regardless, especially in light of these newly released details that complicate the circumstances surrounding the slaying, Stuff like this is probably due to Union negotiations.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

I will no longer attend the planned vigil in town tonight. That is all I will say.

Why? Shoplifting doesn't automatically make what Darren Wilson did okay.

 

[MHWilliams]

That was my first thought too, but is that in the shooting report? Did they release that?

Nope. We know the number of that report, but it hasn't been released. Why? We don't know.

 

[RyanDG]

Within protocol to shoot an unarmed man?

And I believe this is essentially the root of the issue. Deadly force authorization in the US is flimsily defined. Regardless of anything else about this case, that is the one thing that really needs to be addressed going forward.

 

[marrec]

Are you white? If so, carry on.

Oh that's right.

I'm white!

*laughs*

 

[Zoe]

...Oh I don't like that at all.

I don't find it surprising. The investigation into the shooting wouldn't be complete, and since it's out of their hands it may no longer be their call anyway.

 

[LiK]

Oh that's right.

I'm white!

*laughs*

Then you're safe.

 

[captive]

No we're not. The shooting was still unjustified in pretty much everyone's eyes.

and yet, look at the last few pages of this thread, its more about the alleged robbery. you even have people now coming in feeling justified, someone on this very page says "well he pushed an older gentlemen"

who gives a shit, nothing justifies the end result.

 

[everyday math]

Oh that's right.

I'm white!

*laughs*

You need to get some sun.

 

[BronsonLee]

Quick question. If Brown was indeed the suspect in the robbery, then why did the officer tell him and his friend to get out of the street instead of trying to arrest them? Why was there no mention of an attempted arrest by police if this part was false?

Just that alone tells anyone with sense that what happened at the store and what happened on that street are totally unrelated.

If I had to guess, it's somewhere in the middle. The police know that it's a very flimsy reason to have an altercation that ended like this take place.

If he shot the kid, and he goes 'please sir, I surrender" and he walks up to him and shoots him 8 times after that? probably not within protocol, but there still has to be a lengthy internal review.

Yeah, you can remove that 'probably' part

 

[Spring-Loaded]

Oh that's right.

I'm white!

*laughs*

A bit off-topic, but I wrote a story for a book anthology in college. In one of the other stories, a student casually admits to shoplifting a candy bar from a drugstore. I would never even humor the idea of shoplifting, let alone writing about it in a a published book for all to see. The guy was white, and I was taken aback when I heard him mention it.

 

[Dude Abides]

He has no record, but he just turned 18 no? record gets reset.

Assault on an officer is a felony. Yeah he would not be convicted at that moment but it would authorize deadly force. The question is did he surrender and did that authorization expire? Assuming he even assaulted the officer in the 1st place.

It doesn't matter if it was a felony. The fleeing felon rule is a dead letter in US law.

It's not legal to shoot anyone, fleeing felons included, "unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others."

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=CASE&court=US&vol=471&page=1

 

[abuC]

Police arrival is 11:54

Timestap on the video is 11:53:51

 

[BronsonLee]

Nope. We know the number of that report, but it hasn't been released. Why? We don't know.

I can think of a few legitimate reasons why, and several other ones.

I don't find it surprising. The investigation into the shooting wouldn't be complete, and since it's out of their hands it may no longer be their call anyway.

I thought it was done already? At least from the Ferguson end. The FBI one will take ages.

 

[BFIB]

You need to get some sun.

This made me laugh way harder than it should have.

 

[Sophia]

I find it rather disturbing how quickly the narrative has shifted. Even if he did commit robbery/shoplifting, that in no way justifies shooting him. I find the fact that the robbery is only now getting major attention to be suspicious too.

 

[Veritigo_X]

Haha beat me to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p69XxYjfx-k

 

[vas_a_morir]

Yeah, you can remove that 'probably' part

yeah, i was being ironic. Alluding to the brutal tactics we know to be already allowed for police to use in order to more or less oppress the public.

Haha beat me to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p69XxYjfx-k

His cheeky grin sales it. It had me howling the first time I saw it.

 

[alr1ght]

Those convenience store pics are timestamped at 11:53ish, a little over an hour before the shooting took place.

The cop probably rolled up to them by coincidence.

 

[Joel Was Right]

Well its an important link. The robbery suspect thing eliminates speculation of this officer simply racially profiling him and creating the altercation. And honestly thats huge in any situation with a jury involved. From there, it's just his word vs someone that's dead in regards to what happened in the car.

Still can't think of any justification of shooting an unarmed man with his hands in the air, but I'm sure they'll think of something to create a reasonable doubt if this goes to trial.

I agree, it changes the narrative significantly from the implied racial profiling that we had initially. Then it became 'yea, there might have been a robbery but what's the connection with Brown?", before it became "Brown matched the description" to where it is now; it was Brown who robbed the store. It gives the police officer a legitimate reason to stop Brown. But is that why he was stopped? I don't know, but it seems more logical than the alternative. And what happened during that? Initially it was described as an execution because it fit with the impression that he was racially profiled, but if he was stopped for another reason then we can't speculate as to what happened.

 

[commedieu]

That was the name the police chief froze up on.

 

[marrec]

So we have:

1) Brown may have committed a crime.

2) Brown was shot like, 10 times after an altercation with a police officer.

3) Police didn't call in an ambulance and let his body sit in the street for waay longer than it should have.

4) Police use disproportionate force in response to protests.

5) Police show up to next series of protests dressed like they're going to take down Valamir Putin.

I mean... sure Brown may have robbed some smokes, but fuck the police in Ferguson.

 

[CrankyJay]

Those convenience store pics are timestamped at 11:53ish, a little over an hour before the shooting took place.

The cop probably rolled up to them by coincidence.

A dash or cop cam could have cleared up all of this...hell, even radio transcripts or audio clips. If he matched some sort of description wouldn't the officer have radioed it in?

 

[Frog-fu]

It doesn't matter whether Brown robbed the store or whether he roughed up the clerk or not and it doesn't matter whether Brown reached for the gun.

If he raised his hands and surrendered, that should have been the end of it. He should have been arrested and processed, not shot like a fucking animal in the streets.

All this innuendo and "reports" on rumours and what-ifs are calculated attempts at obfuscating the real issues. They obscure what we should focusing on by distracting us with shit that shouldn't matter like jiggling car keys in front of a baby.

The fact the police have waited this long to disclose these "revelations" is telling.

 

[Flo_Evans]

It doesn't matter if it was a felony. The fleeing felon rule is a dead letter in US law.

It's not legal to shoot anyone, fleeing felons included, "unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others."

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=CASE&court=US&vol=471&page=1

But isn't that exactly what his defense attorney would argue? That the officer felt it was necessary and that he posed a threat?

Even then that would be the 1st shot in the back. I can't see any defense for further shots if he indeed did turn around and surrender.

 

[vas_a_morir]

That was the name the police chief froze up on.

Yeah.It's not a humorous situation in the slightest, but I did find that to be rather peculiar, to say the least.

 

[jett]

Shoplifting cigarettes frankly doesn't fucking matter one single bit.