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[ZedIndyLil]

Ok, we now know of multiple crimes this week. Maybe then we should focus on them in order of importance. I don't know about you, but I'd keep talking about the murder and the excessive police force over the Case of the Swisher Sweets Swipery. Unfortunately, don't think the media will agree.

 

[freddy]

Saw this online. Its from Anon so take it with a grain of salt. I truly hope she wasn't stupid enough to do something like that.

It was shown to be false or a different person I believe.

 

[Random Painted HIghway]

He shot himself??

That was regarding the discharge i the car.

 

[milquetoast]

What are you going on about again?

Everything I based my opinion of this case on now has a tinge of doubt to it from the suspect to the police officer to the witness. Is it okay with you if I feel a little stupid? Geesh.

 

[marrec]

Here's the breakdown as I see it:

First of all, again, any conclusion to the issue of this shooting takes nothing away from the importance and justification for the outrage regarding the police response to the protests and anger. That is a problem and will be a story no matter what.

I can only see the robbery being offered as the pretext for the officer approaching the two young men in the first place. Even if their intent were different, it really cannot be an attempt for the police to justify the shooting on its own. That doesn't follow legally at all and I find it highly unlikely that is their motivation. Their intentions will be easily judged after the details of the investigation are known, of course. If it's clear the officer acted improperly it becomes clear the department was being disingenuous.

The shooting can only be justified if it happened during an altercation. The victim reaching for the officer's gun and then running away would not justify shooting him in the back. Running away after having assaulted the officer would also not justify shooting him in the back.

Fortunately it seems like the two stories as they are, combined with the facts we all understand, does not lend itself to interpretations supporting both sides simultaneously. The eyewitness's story and the officer's story should be easily falsified with easy to confirm facts. If any shots were fired outside the vehicle, as far as I understand it the officer's story cannot be true. If only one shot was fired the eyewitnesses claims cannot be true.

This is super important. Brown could have burned down an orphanage on his way to Satanic Mass and it still wouldn't justify a police officer acting as the eyewitnesses have described.

 

[InfiniteBento]

It was shown to be false or a different person I believe.

Gotcha. My b.

 

[Random Painted HIghway]

Might want to edit your post to clarify this is your personal speculation. Right now, it almost sounds like something TheChocolateWar would have posted.

Huh, I thought it was pretty obvious that I was positing the defense's play now. I will go back and add an edit, thanks.

 

[everyday math]

Last night on MSNBC they interviewed a girl eye witness. She said one of the bullets from the cop was found in one neighbors homes.

I haven't heard anything more on that. But if it's true. The cop could've hurt more people.

 

[Sophia]

The robbery does change the narrative though and bring things into question.

It's not as simple as this "gentle giant" being gun downed for jaywalking or whatever the original story was.

It changes the narrative only slightly, and specifically not in regards to the fact that the police officer shot and killed him.

Alot of new people jumping into the thread at this news. Wonder where they were before.

I've been reading this thread since Tuesday. I just haven't bothered to reply because it was moving too fast at the times I'd want to reply.

 

[Badosh]

Is it true that the officer had to be treated at a hospital for injuries following the incident? Or is that a lie?

Maury, where are you?

That's what Police say, yeah. Haven't heard someone say otherwise yet.

 

[jamesinclair]

So we have:

1) Brown may have committed a crime.

2) Brown was shot like, 10 times after an altercation with a police officer.

3) Police didn't call in an ambulance and let his body sit in the street for waay longer than it should have.

4) Police use disproportionate force in response to protests.

5) Police show up to next series of protests dressed like they're going to take down Valamir Putin.

I mean... sure Brown may have robbed some smokes, but fuck the police in Ferguson.

2009) Police arrest innocent motorist passing through town. Beat him up. Kick him in head. Charge him for damaging property by bleeding on uniform. Deny any beating took place and that there was any blood. Then charge him a year later for assaulting an officer when victim files a civil suit.

3.5) Police incite riot by shouting racial slurs and bringing police dogs and a tank to peaceful vigil before any violence


It's not Brown that should be under the microscope here.

 

[Squirrel Killer]

semi graphic pic, with excellent caption / point attached
http://i.imgur.com/wMI811J.png

Will this is going to be like the Tony Stewart/Kevin Ward thing? One group says it's clearly one way based on grainy photos, another says it clearly the opposite based on similarly grainy photos. For me, I have no idea if it's Brown in the store video, but it's close enough that I'm not willing to commit to saying it is or is not him. I hope the authorities in charge (who hopefully are not the Ferguson PD, but the FBI

Spoiler

thus the quip in the post title

) have better footage to make a determination there.

Regardless of whether Brown did or did not commit a crime, shooting an unarmed person running away from a cop is not allowable and the shooter should be prosecuted - even if the person running did commit the crime and even if the person previously tried to grab the officer's gun. There is no way anything about what Brown may have done before the shooting that the FPD alleged today that in any way justifies the shooting.

 

[Stinkles]

I don't understand. If civilians are accused of a crime, the law allows them a full week to meet with friends, family and colleagues, in secret, to get their story straight and build an alibi. And they are also given the full resources of their local city to concoct..I mean, remember all the details.

Anti cop GAF will cling to anything.

 

[xnipx]

If he matched the suspect why didn't the officer hop out and arrest them instead of simply telling them to get out of the street? Why choke him through the window? None or that makes sense if he was indeed trying to apprehend a robbery suspect. Even if his story is true why was he in the car without handcuffs?

Cops jump out and cuff people all the time where I live and ask questions later. Him and his friend should have been cuffed and detained as soon as he got the radio call of their descriptions.

I think he stumbled on them by mistake and the robbery had nothing to do wih the shooting so it shouldn't be used to judge the character of Michael brown relating to the cops treatment of him.

 

[KHarvey16]

This is super important. Brown could have burned down an orphanage on his way to Satanic Mass and it still wouldn't justify a police officer acting as the eyewitnesses have described.

Absolutely. If the event occurred as described by the eyewitnesses the robbery is irrelevant to the question of the officer's guilt.

 

[BHZ Mayor]

I'd like to re-iterate that there is no mention of any arrest attempts or any attempts to bring either of the two in for questioning regarding the alleged robbery/shoplifting/whatever (fuck your semantics), before, during, nor after the shooting.

 

[BFIB]

Is it true that the officer had to be treated at a hospital for injuries following the incident? Or is that a lie?

Maury, where are you?

That news got dropped yesterday from the PD. Again, where was that information before?Interesting how the PD is choosing when and where to release the information, when the sunshine law precisely points out that any and all information related to a crime can be made public upon request.

I'm sure the lawyer for Michael Brown would have asked for that information right away, so why wasn't that released immediately?

 

[samus i am]

Everything I based my opinion of this case on now has a tinge of doubt to it from the suspect to the police officer to the witness. Is it okay with you if I feel a little stupid? Geesh.

Did he deserve to be gunned down in the street?

 

[BronsonLee]

Alot of new people jumping into the thread at this news. Wonder where they were before.

Eh, he's been here for a while.

Everything I based my opinion of this case on now has a tinge of doubt to it from the suspect to the police officer to the witness. Is it okay with you if I feel a little stupid? Geesh.

Why? What does it actually change about the case in hand? There are a thousand other things to be concerned with right now.

I'm not sure it's changed anything about the police officer/witness either, because unless I'm mistaken, didn't Johnson seek out police to give his story? And ended up giving it to the FBI?

 

[marrec]

I don't understand. If civilians are accused of a crime, the law allows them a full week to meet with friends, family and colleagues, in secret, to get their story straight and build an alibi. And they are also given the full resources of their local city to concoct..I mean, remember all the details.

Anti cop GAF will cling to anything.

They had to have time to make the report look really real. It's the law.

 

[CesspoolofHatred]

Didn't know the witness was present at the robbery too I feel stupid now.

There's the question that's been popping up that apparently he hasn't been arrested for this robbery.

Also, there was more than one witness to the shooting. There's apparently a female witness that recorded the incident on her phone.

 

[everyday math]

Missouri Gov and police to speak soon.

 

[FiggyCal]

He also looks really fat in that camera footage compared to his other photos that are out there. Idk, might just be the angle.

 

[milquetoast]

Will this is going to be like the Tony Stewart/Kevin Ward thing? One group says it's clearly one way based on grainy photos, another says it clearly the opposite based on similarly grainy photos. For me, I have no idea if it's Brown in the store video, but it's close enough that I'm not willing to commit to saying it is or is not him. I hope the authorities in charge (who hopefully are not the Ferguson PD, but the FBI

Spoiler

thus the quip in the post title

) have better footage to make a determination there.

.

They also have the interview/identification from the shopkeeper who was assaulted. It's not just an ID based on some grainy video footage.

 

[gutter_trash]

Last night on MSNBC they interviewed a girl eye witness. She said one of the bullets from the cop was found in one neighbors homes.

I haven't heard anything more on that. But if it's true. The cop could've hurt more people.

all over alleged pack of cigarettes or a Rollo

 

[Zoe]

Last night on MSNBC they interviewed a girl eye witness. She said one of the bullets from the cop was found in one neighbors homes.

I haven't heard anything more on that. But if it's true. The cop could've hurt more people.

And to think people want cops to aim for arms and legs.

If he matched the suspect why didn't the officer hop out and arrest them instead of simply telling them to get out of the street?

So far the only person saying that is how the incident started is the guy who never said anything about the robbery.

 

[vas_a_morir]

That news got dropped yesterday from the PD. Again, where was that information before?Interesting how the PD is choosing when and where to release the information, when the sunshine law precisely points out that any and all information related to a crime can be made public upon request.

I'm sure the lawyer for Michael Brown would have asked for that information right away, so why wasn't that released immediately?

No idea. However, I don't think that necessarily means that it's false info. In the grand scheme of things, it feels like an eternity has passed but it's only been a few days really. For example, that robbery info didn't get released. However, I don't think that's a doctored image. So, who knows.

I think I'd like to know the details of the supposed 'injuries' for which the police are claiming he received treatment.

 

[gutter_trash]

+this cop was equipped with a tazer. That is what you usually use on unarmed assailants

 

[Van Owen]

I don't understand. If civilians are accused of a crime, the law allows them a full week to meet with friends, family and colleagues, in secret, to get their story straight and build an alibi. And they are also given the full resources of their local city to concoct..I mean, remember all the details.

Anti cop GAF will cling to anything.

You're right. They should have released the cop's name right away so people could gather outside his home to protest gunning a down a gentle giant for jay walking instead waiting a few days to show the he committed a robbery before the altercation took place.

 

[BHZ Mayor]

And to think people want cops to aim for arms and legs.



So far the only person saying that is how the incident started is the guy who never said anything about the robbery.

And the police have said nothing about how it started.

 

[FreddieQuell]

The robbery does change the narrative though and bring things into question.

It's not as simple as this "gentle giant" being gun downed for jaywalking or whatever the original story was.

No. This alleged robbery changes nothing about Darren Wilson murdering Michael Brown.

The only facts that matter are those surrounding the moment when Wilson drove up to Brown and Johnson, told them to get the fuck off of the street, grabbed Brown by the neck, shot him point blank, then shot a fleeing, unarmed Brown in the back, and finally shooting the surrendering Brown with his hands up in the middle of the street.

A potential $50 dollar robbery does not change the fact that the series of events I wrote out above is a MURDER.

These facts have been corroborated by two witnesses. We have heard nothing of substance challenging these facts. No dashcam videos or audio recording. No radio messages. No statements from Darren Wilson.

Again, even if Mike Brown stole $50 of merchandise that does not mean that Darren Wilson can gun him down in the street.

Do you disagree? Maybe since he pushed a shopkeeper he deserved to get shot in the back.

Please tell me how this disgusting shifting of the narrative by the police department changes any of the facts surrounding Mike Brown's murder.

 

[elrechazado]

I don't understand. If civilians are accused of a crime, the law allows them a full week to meet with friends, family and colleagues, in secret, to get their story straight and build an alibi. And they are also given the full resources of their local city to concoct..I mean, remember all the details.

Anti cop GAF will cling to anything.

Where did you get this idea of a week grace period? Criminals are generally arrested at the scene, or a warrant is issued and they are arrested as doom as they are detained. In some grand jury indictments there may be a time period, but wtf are you talking about??

 

[commedieu]

Where did you get this idea of a week grace period? Criminals are generally arrested at the scene, or a warrant is issued and they are arrested as doom as they are detained. In some grand jury indictments there may be a time period, but wtf are you talking about??

What the police are doing...

 

[BeatResetsTheWorld]

You're right. They should have released the cop's name right away so people could gather outside his home to protest gunning a down a gentle giant for jay walking instead waiting a few days to show the he committed a robbery before the altercation took place.

Don't see what harm releasing EVERY OTHER DETAIL would have done. How do you explain that? How the cop's testimony wasn't immediately released before the days of rioting and protesting?

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

I wonder why he was shot in the head, cops are trained to shoot center mass. I've watched shootouts on YouTube where cops would arrest the person who just a minute ago was trying to kill them. But this kid, no weapon, is dead from multiple gunshots.

Where the fuck are the Swissher Sweets, did someone go out there and pick them up off the street?

 

[BronsonLee]

And to think people want cops to aim for arms and legs.

That always annoys the shit out of me. I'm not well versed in anything beyond the bare basics, but it breaks basic rules of gun use and if you seriously expect someone to do that on purpose, you either don't know shit about guns or have some lofty ass expectations about people that do.

+this cop was equipped with a tazer. That is what you usually use on unarmed assailants

And the cop could've chased him down in, you know, his car. The thing that is much faster than someone running. Then arrest him.

 

[turtle553]

It almost seems like one of those movie scenarios is plausible here. Brown is walking after an alleged robbery, when an officer approaches him. The officer doesn't know about the robbery and just says get off the road. Brown is paranoid of getting arrested for the robbery and reacts as if the officer knows.

If it was truly a movie, the description of the suspect would have come over the radio just as they were talking.

 

[elrechazado]

What the police are doing...

Broke my snark detector

 

[jakonovski]

The problem is, a whole bunch of Americans feel it's ok (or even commendable) for police to shoot black people, as long as they've done something wrong at some point.

There's going to be a sea change in this thread and elsewhere, and it's not going to be pretty.

 

[BFIB]

Press conference on now:

http://fox2now.com/on-air/live-streaming/

 

[Sai-kun]

I don't understand. If civilians are accused of a crime, the law allows them a full week to meet with friends, family and colleagues, in secret, to get their story straight and build an alibi. And they are also given the full resources of their local city to concoct..I mean, remember all the details.

Anti cop GAF will cling to anything.

Lmaoooo

 

[commedieu]

The problem here is, a whole bunch of Americans feel it's ok for police to shoot black people, as long as they've done something wrong at some point.

There's going to be a sea change in this thread and elsewhere, and it's not going to be pretty.

That's highlighted by all the fresh posters rushing in to claim this changes things.

 

[Jarmel]

Here's the problem I have with this, if Brown was a possible robbery suspect, then why did Wilson tell him to get off the road instead of detaining him?

Wilson's response doesn't make sense in the context that he was looking for a suspect.

 

[everyday math]

Police speaking right now.

 

[Kusagari]

The way the police are slowly dripping this info isn't suspicious at all!

 

[YoungHav]

Mods, if Angelus ever is due for a banning ban me instead!

 

[BruiserBear]

I'd like to hear the officer's full explanation for why he felt the need to shoot this guy. I hope he had a dash cam in his car with audio. That could be huge.

The way the police are slowly dripping this info isn't suspicious at all!

Unlike internet fools who think they've identified someone involved, and send them death threats over Twitter 30 seconds later, the police might have been making certain that was who they thought it was in that robbery. Once they were certain, they made it public.

 

[ghstwrld]

this is so messy

 

[Gordon Shumway]

You're right. They should have released the cop's name right away so people could gather outside his home to protest gunning a down a gentle giant for jay walking instead waiting a few days to show the he committed a robbery before the altercation took place.

Make sure you type gentle giant and jaywalking in every post..drill it in, and smile!

 

[XenodudeX]

I'm going to be so depressed if there isn't any justice from this.