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[Denton]

Yep, seriously don't understand how anyone can defend this other than out of feudalism. CD Projekt Red said no version of the game would have exclusive content. This is exclusive content. No, they don't get to get away with it because they obviously meant digital content and not physical. They lied, straight up, there's no two ways about it.

It breaks my heart that they did this really. I would just not expect them to do so.

What in this is a shitty business practice? Ms is adding value to their version of a collectors edition with their own money. Would you also whine if a retailer (like walmart) is giving out a $10 coupon if you buy a specific product from them rather than at another place.

It is a shitty business practice because the end customers, in fact the most hardcore fans supporting CDP with most money, all pay the same money, without getting the same product in return. It is irrelevant who pays for it. As I wrote before, either CDP/Namco should have done this on their own for every platform, or for nobody. Doing it "exclusively" breaks their promise and pisses off people. What is so hard to understand about this, I will never know.

It is not even about the cards or the map, per se. Main point is the principle of it. The "we treat everyone equally" of it.

 

[Exploratory]

What if it is not on ebay after release? Is it the same then? What if it ends up being valued at $250 for just some cards and a cloth map is it the same then? Also all the Destiny stuff will be released to XB owners a few months after the PS owners so then where does that fall does it not matter now since you can get it later?

Isn't it a lot longer than a few months? Also they aren't like map packs they're expansion packs.

It will be on eBay after release. And maybe they will be 250 but much more likely they'll be a lot less than that.

 

[Paracelsus]

So basically what could be the less performing version will end up with the shiniest CE.

Imagine a hardcore PC enthusiast with a 2500$ rig forced to buy the game "four times" (two CE).

 

[Sotha_Sil]

Well MS already annoyed some PC/PS owners with Tomb Raider so why not do it again, with exclusive CE content on Witcher 3
(especially PC Witcher fans as it is a PC centric series, massively less so PS4)
Also I do have to question whether CD Projekt agreed to this, it doesn't seem like them, a BN decision then?

I imagine it's a little payback for getting free publicity at E3 during the MS conference.

 

[RoadHazard]

Yes. Namco is distributing the game in Europe and Australia/New Zealand.

Ok. I'm not defending this (nor do I care terribly much about it, since it's nothing that affects the game itself), just wasn't sure what the publisher situation was.

 

[Dawg]

I wonder how they are going to spin this. They made such a big fuss about how they are ensuring absolute parity for their game.

Last time I checked, this is still true.

 

[misho8723]

Well, on GOG i get the game for 32 Euros with many bonuses.. It is fair for console gamers (PC gamers) who are going to buy the standart edition on Steam for 50/60 Euros with no bonuses (or the retail copy) ?..

Well, atleast it's nothing in-game.. but be careful CDPR, we are going to watch you now with greater caution

 

[Wereroku]

Isn't it a lot longer than a few months? Also they aren't like map packs they're expansion packs.

It will be on eBay after release. And maybe they will be 250 but much more likely they'll be a lot less than that.

No one knows how long they will be exclusive. Also its not the expansion packs it is maybe a map or weapons in the expansion pack. They just announced that the first expansion will come to everyone in December.

 

[Sanke__]

Everyone realizes these are items ADDED to the collectors edition that are probably just fully payed for by microsift right?

 

[ohlawd]

cool

too bad I'm not getting the CE. I'll just settle for my 50 dollar preorder

 

[Deadstar]

This enrages me...it really does. I'm paying a ton of money and they can't give me everything? I am a fan of board games and want those cards!

 

[zonezeus]

It's good the PC edition is cheaper because I would sure as fuck be not very happy about paying the same amount of money for less content (even if it's a piece of crap I don't care about like in this case).

 

[Wereroku]

Last time I checked, this is still true.

Really so PC/PS4 CE have the same items as the XBO CE's in them now? Or are you just using the same argument that they clearly only meant ingame content parity that was never specified by CDPR and was not what they said in every interview.

 

[Corto]

It breaks my heart that they did this really. I would just not expect them to do so.



It is a shitty business practice because the end customers, in fact the most hardcore fans supporting CDP with most money, all pay the same money, without getting the same product in return. It is irrelevant who pays for it. As I wrote before, either CDP/Namco should have done this on their own for every platform, or for nobody. Doing it "exclusively" breaks their promise and pisses off people. What is so hard to understand about this, I will never know.

It is not even about the cards or the map, per se. Main point is the principle of it. The "we treat everyone equally" of it.

Console users may not understand why we feel like this. But just to contextualize this a bit CD Projekt was the company that to offset the price difference between different regions gave away games to European users to make up for the difference. This is an absolutely surprising behavior from the exact same company. They show on one hand that they won't treat their customers differently whatever their region on the other hand they do treat them differently depending of their platform. Even more ridiculous when one of the platforms that won't include these special offers it's their staple platform.

 

[Pinko Marx]

Nice, another game that I get to save money on by buying used from Gamestop on PS4.

You're going to combat corporate greed and exclusivity deals...by buying used from gamestop?
Of all the places. You're going to buy from the KING of preorder exclusive bullshit.

 

[overdrivex]

It breaks my heart that they did this really. I would just not expect them to do so.



It is a shitty business practice because the end customers, in fact the most hardcore fans supporting CDP with most money, all pay the same money, without getting the same product in return. It is irrelevant who pays for it. As I wrote before, either CDP/Namco should have done this on their own for every platform, or for nobody. Doing it "exclusively" breaks their promise and pisses off people. What is so hard to understand about this, I will never know.

It is not even about the cards or the map, per se. Main point is the principle of it. The "we treat everyone equally" of it.

so console folks should also get 10% discount on the digital version of the game, like what was done on the pc.

 

[Exploratory]

Nice, another game that I get to save money on by buying used from Gamestop on PS4.

You're going to combat corporate greed and exclusivity deals...by buying used from gamestop?

Lol I thought I was the only one who lol'd for a second.

 

[GeneralArrow]

Niceee, I swear moving in with a non gaming gf is the worst.

She would not appreciate how awesome this is and would moan.

Already had a battle to get the Destiny Ghost edition

Just tell her you're going to save up for it, shows responsibility. It's not coming out till next year.

 

[AtomnayaKlubnika]

It doesn't bother me, no in-game content affected.

 

[Daemul]

You're going to combat corporate greed and exclusivity deals...by buying used from gamestop?
Of all the places. You're going to buy from the KING of preorder exclusive bullshit.

That post killed me as well. Fucking Gamestop.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

How many other Collectors editions have had physical pre-order bonus stuff exclusive to one console or the other? I'm genuinely curious.

As far as Microsoft goes, It seems like desperate Microsoft is worst Microsoft.

but whatever, all is fair in console warz.

 

[overdrivex]

How many other Collectors editions have had physical pre-order bonus stuff exclusive to one console or the other? I'm genuinely curious.

As far as Microsoft goes, It seems like desperate Microsoft is worst Microsoft.

but whatever, all is fair in console warz.

how is this desperate?

 

[Dawg]

Really so PC/PS4 CE have the same items as the XBO CE's in them now? Or are you just using the same argument that they clearly only meant ingame content parity that was never specified by CDPR and was not what they said in every interview.

I'm saying a friggin' cloth map has no effect whatsoever on the parity of a videogame

Do people even know Gamestop is doing something similar?

 

[sunofsam]

Everyone realizes these are items ADDED to the collectors edition that are probably just fully payed for by microsift right?

No, noone realises this it seems.

MS is likely paying to put the items in the box, and is paying CDPR a lil something extra for the ability to do so.

People calling for preorder cancellations are ridiculous - wish I could gog/steam friend them all and see them after launch ala

This is some silly shit to be bellyaching about.

Got my GOG order in - was able to transfer my steam Witcher 2 purchase over to GOG along with my W1 order. Sweet Digital discount.

 

[overdrivex]

I'm saying a friggin' cloth map has no effect whatsoever on the parity of a videogame

Do people even know Gamestop is doing something similar?

lol dam

 

[erawsd]

How is it pretty obvious that that is the context? They don't talk about ingame dlc they just state that they are going to treat all gamers the same.

Because the question is being asked due to all the exclusive timed releases and DLC that other games have leveraged. Like I said, at the same time they were saying that you could go to the GOG store and buy a version that comes with a ton of extras that no one else is getting. They also did the same thing with W2, if you bought it on GOG there was a ton of extra non-game stuff for you.

So yeah, its very obvious what they are talking about.

 

[tuna_love]

I'm saying a friggin' cloth map has no effect whatsoever on the parity of a videogame

Do people even know Gamestop is doing something similar?

Yeah but that aint MS

 

[pixlexic]

Everyone realizes these are items ADDED to the collectors edition that are probably just fully payed for by microsift right?

Bingo.

 

[wenis]

Everyone realizes these are items ADDED to the collectors edition that are probably just fully payed for by microsift right?

Raining on this parade sir. Raining on this parade.

 

[Denton]

so console folks should also get 10% discount on the digital version of the game, like what was done on the pc.

Of course, absolutely!
Why shouldn't they? In fact, I would be all for console folks getting everything that GOG preorderers are getting, if it was possible. Why not ?

Console users may not understand why we feel like this. But just to contextualize this a bit CD Projekt was the company that to offset the price difference between different regions gave away games to European users to make up for the difference. This is an absolutely surprising behavior from the exact same company. They show on one hand that they won't treat their customers differently whatever their region on the other hand they do treat them differently depending of their platform. Even more ridiculous when one of the platforms that won't include these special offers it's their staple platform.

Yeah. It is completely mindboggling that they do this after carefully building trust and reputation as the best company in the industry.

 

[Vyrance]

Well... at least it's not in-game content. But sucks for PC people, since this is a PC-centric company. You'd think they'd throw us the cloth map since it's always been a staple of PC RPGs.

But if Microsoft is the one funding those extras then that's fine. Jealous of you Xbox owners for the map!

 

[Kinyou]

I'm saying a friggin' cloth map has no effect whatsoever on the parity of a videogame

Do people even know Gamestop is doing something similar?

Some people probably just collapsed.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

I'm sad to see CDProjekt go down this path, but at least it's not in-game content.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Isn't this just an extension of retailer-exclusive DLC, except now it's console-exclusive?

 

[overdrivex]

Of course, absolutely!
Why shouldn't they? In fact, I would be all for console folks getting everything that GOG preorderers are getting, if it was possible. Why not ?



Yeah. It is completely mindboggling that they do this after carefully building trust and reputation as the best company in the industry.

so all of a sudden when there is an exclusive content on a console it "breaks your heart" but you were just ok when they didn't offer console gamers the same thing as pc.

 

[Sinister]

But the consumers!

 

[sunofsam]

Isn't this just an extension of retailer-exclusive DLC, except now it's console-exclusive?

DLC = Downloadable Content

You wouldn't download a cloth map would you? What about a pack of cards? A car maybe.

 

[Norns]

Oh no not my cloth map!

 

[Denton]

so all of a sudden when there is an exclusive content on a console it "breaks your heart" but you were just ok when they didn't offer console gamers the same thing as pc.

I wasn't ok or non-ok about it, because I never looked into what they offered on console, because I play all non-exclusive games on PC, including this one. Obviously though, ideally everyone should get the same content for the given price, no matter the platform. I hope that isn't so much to ask.
It feels like you are arguing for the sake of arguing, which I am not a fan of to be honest.

 

[Frog-fu]

This is better than in-game exclusive content, so eh.

 

[Wereroku]

I'm saying a friggin' cloth map has no effect whatsoever on the parity of a videogame

Do people even know Gamestop is doing something similar?

Well I stand corrected apparently CDPR has no qualms about doing what every other dev and publisher has been doing with every copy of their game. So PC/PS4 Best Buy shoppers get even less value from their order of the game. Also I believe withholding physical goods does effect the parity of a video game.

Yeah but that aint MS

It's not about Microsoft its about them saying one thing and doing another. But whatever this is just a cyclical argument anyway so who cares.

 

[Deadstar]

I'm sad to see CDProjekt go down this path, but at least it's not in-game content.

This situation is worse. Any exclusive content could be given through dlc later down the line for free. Physical items wouldn't be. Today is a very sad day for the board game community.

 

[sunofsam]

Well I stand corrected apparently CDPR has no qualms about doing what every other dev and publisher has been doing with every copy of their game. So PC/PS4 Best Buy shoppers get even less value from their order of the game. Also I believe withholding physical goods does effect the parity of a video game.

Your thinking of it the wrong way. You do not have less value from your order, it's just XB1 CE purchasers have more value.

See? Still getting an amazing game. Microsoft just wanted to get everyone that buys the W3CE on XB1 a little gift and is asking CDPR to deliver that gift to them. Microsoft is paying CDPR a little something extra to handle the delivery of the gift. Thats all.

Yes, it is silly. But if it means CDPR is getting more bank to help fund more awesome development go for it. I could care less if it was MS, Sony, Valve, GoG, Gamestop, etc - it is a physical item that has no impact on my gameplay.

 

[firen]

No big deal, not game content.

 

[tuna_love]

Well I stand corrected apparently CDPR has no qualms about doing what every other dev and publisher has been doing with every copy of their game. So PC/PS4 Best Buy shoppers get even less value from their order of the game. Also I believe withholding physical goods does effect the parity of a video game.



It's not about Microsoft its about them saying one thing and doing another. But whatever this is just a cyclical argument anyway so who cares.

Not aimed at you mate, I understand what your saying.

 

[Guri]

It is a shitty business practice because the end customers, in fact the most hardcore fans supporting CDP with most money, all pay the same money, without getting the same product in return. It is irrelevant who pays for it. As I wrote before, either CDP/Namco should have done this on their own for every platform, or for nobody. Doing it "exclusively" breaks their promise and pisses off people. What is so hard to understand about this, I will never know.

It is not even about the cards or the map, per se. Main point is the principle of it. The "we treat everyone equally" of it.

I don't know if they're doing something for PS4, but they have exclusive content on GOG, for example. Artworks, soundtrack, avatars, paper toys, digital comic book, another game (Neverwinter Nights) and access to the multiplayer beta of their board game. And in fact, you'll pay less to get all of this, if you have TW1 and/or TW2 for PC. You can even say that it's more than what you get on the Xbox CE, since there are two games included.

 

[erawsd]

I wasn't ok or non-ok about it, because I never looked into what they offered on console, because I play all non-exclusive games on PC, including this one. Obviously though, ideally everyone should get the same content for the given price, no matter the platform. I hope that isn't so much to ask.
It feels like you are arguing for the sake of arguing, which I am not a fan of to be honest.

Ideally. Unfortunately, things cant always be ideal. The reality is that CDPR is likely making this deal because they need. They've spent many millions of their own dollars and many years making this game; I'm sure they need it to be a success and getting some Microsoft marketing money behind them is a decent way of going about that.

 

[Denton]

I don't know if they're doing something for PS4, but they have exclusive content on GOG, for example. Artworks, soundtrack, avatars, paper toys, digital comic book, another game (Neverwinter Nights) and access to the multiplayer beta of their board game. And in fact, you'll pay less to get all of this. You can even say that it's more than what you get on the Xbox CE, since there are two games included.

While I would like if people on other platform could get all this as well, this is a bit different case. They can offer all of that because they own GOG. They do not own other people's shops. I think they cannot offer these goodies on digital Xbone live or Playstation Plus shop. If they could, then they should.

Ideally. Unfortunately, things cant always be ideal. The reality is that CDPR is likely making this deal because they need. They've spent many millions of their own dollars and many years making this game; I'm sure they need it to be a success and getting some Microsoft marketing money behind them is a decent way of going about that.

This would be a good argument if they properly explained the decision and elaborated on it like you are doing. But as it is, it is just a conjecture on your part.

 

[Deadstar]

Ideally. Unfortunately, things cant always be ideal. The reality is that CDPR is likely making this deal because they need. They've spent many millions of their own dollars and many years making this game; I'm sure they need it to be a success and getting some Microsoft marketing money behind them is a decent way of going about that.

No one is going to preorder the xbox one version for these bonuses if they weren't already going to get the collector's edition. I have it preordered for PC, you think I'm going to buy an xbox one and get the collector's edition? Even if I had an xbox one I wouldn't buy it. I always wanted this game for pc so it's absolute crap that I can't play a card game with my good friends now.

 

[metalmachine]

No one is going to preorder the xbox one version for these bonuses if they weren't already going to get the collector's edition. I have it preordered for PC, you think I'm going to buy an xbox one and get the collector's edition? Even if I had an xbox one I wouldn't buy it. I always wanted this game for pc so it's absolute crap that I can't play a card game with my good friends now.

Exactly. In the end, the consumer is paying the same amount of money for a CE that has less value to it.