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Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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Institutional rot from the top all the way to the bottom.
Yea it looks like he was refused service due to some reason and walked out with it to prove a point. Will be interesting to see if details come out that he tried to pay for the rillos.
I wonder what the smear campaign would look like then.
Spring-Loaded
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I feel so sorry for you.
The robbery video is completely unrelated to the shooting, and the police have admitted as much.
The timing is only part of the problem.
CassidyIzABeast
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BronsonLee
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I had this reply ready to go in the abortion of a thread discussing Michael Brown's alleged theft/robbery of a convenience store prior to his death. But I thought of an angle that I haven't seen posted before, though, admittedly I haven't been able to keep up with this thread today:
Here's MO's basic robbery statute:
From looking at the video, I see larceny and assault, but not robbery. Both larceny and this level of assault are misdemeanors.
And it a bit of "fantastic" news, if Ferguson decides to classify it somehow as a robbery, it could potentially put felony murder on the table for the closest eye witness to Brown's death (assuming that he is the other guy in the video with Brown):
Unless Missouri courts have interpreted robbery differently than most jurisdictions, that's not robbery in the video with two possible exceptions: (1) the clerk was holding the cigarillos and Brown grabbed them from him or (2) Brown threatened the clerk with the immediate use of a dangerous instrument (possible, I suppose, because we don't have sound).
Here's MO's basic robbery statute:
The force requirement in robbery doesn't mean that you have to push or assault the victim. It only means you have to exert enough force to overcome the actual resistance being exerted by the victim over the property in order to take it from their possession. A clear example is purse snatching: if the purse snatcher takes the purse off a woman's shoulder, it's robbery. If, however, the woman places or drops the purse on the ground and the purse snatcher grabs it, it's larceny because he didn't have to overcome the physical resistance of the victim. Does that make sense?
From looking at the video, I see larceny and assault, but not robbery. Both larceny and this level of assault are misdemeanors.
And it a bit of "fantastic" news, if Ferguson decides to classify it somehow as a robbery, it could potentially put felony murder on the table for the closest eye witness to Brown's death (assuming that he is the other guy in the video with Brown):
Has this possibility been brought up yet?
ReignofSparrows
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perfectchaos007
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Every policeman is supposed to write an incident report after it happens detailing everything that was witnessed at the crime scene/incident all as a part of procedure. He, for whatever reason, chose to go against procedure in this case
Uh well.. not sure how to feel about this. That video certainly paints him in a negative light. Not to say the cop was justified in shooting him but if he was willing to bully the shop owners/workers like that perhaps he did try something stupid against the cop? Ugh. Man this whole thing is depressing.
he also added he was blocking traffic -- and I thought during one of his lie sessions -- he said the officer was responding to a sic? and that Brown was in the way...
Theres that narrative working, why resist it. Yes, a young man stealing cigars is definitely going to attack a police officer in ferguson, where the police are known to beat blacks for absolutely nothing, and charge them with getting blood on uniforms. Yes, this was the plan. That he was going to attack an officer without a gun, and try to steal that officers gun to kill him. This is the most plausible scenario, so why bother second guessing yourself. He had a death wish, if that shove and the hope of enjoying some shitty cigars is all we have to go on. He is definitely capable of attacking/stealing an officers gun, shooting him, and getting away with it. Yep.
Random Painted HIghway
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It was a response to a FOIA request, if I understand correctly, which have to be responded to in a certain number of days. I would guess someone put in the request for either incidents occurring that day (since early we heard something of a robbery) or a request for any investigations with Brown's name included. Since the investigation into the robbery was closed (due to the death of the subject), I don't think there would be a valid reason to deny the foia request. Now, you could probably delay it getting the AG to issue an opinion, maybe. I am not terribly familiar with MO's sunshine laws.
So, it had the effect of smearing the deceased, but was it intentional by the police? That may be giving that department too much credit.
DrForester
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You know, I was ready to give this guy some credit for revealing this robbery thing days later, rather than rushing it out ASAP to smear the kid. Releasing that info with the officers name would (to me) have shown they might actually be doing a real investigation.
Now they reveal that this was totally unrelated, there was no reason to release this at this time except to try and cast doubt on Brown.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
I used to think it wouldn't be a death sentence, but now I'm not so sure.
Nabs
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You're doing exactly what they want you to do.
Omegasquash
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You're a better man than I am. It's one thing to not know any better. It's another to refuse to see truth when it's spelled out for you.
See the previous page, he is a troll.
He's on paid leave.
Yep. If the video had come out directly after the incident it could change things, but releasing it now seems like just that. Character Assassination.
This comes up in every one of these incidents, but it is because honestly, police are very poorly trained in the use of firearms if they aren't a member of the SWAT team.. It basically amounts to 'if you have to use your gun, keep shooting until you run out'. It's an overly legalistic idea that stems from the thought that lethal force is lethal force, so if it is justified you may as well make sure the guy is dead.
It'd be nice to see this training model be discontinued, most civilian CCW training is better than the basic training patrol officers receive.
Also to be fair, you can unload a semi auto handgun pretty damn quick under the effects of adrenaline.
I haven't really come to a conclusion on this particular case, but it's clear that we could be doing a lot of things better with policing. Starting with cameras everywhere.
I like you.
I wish threads like this were more about trying to figure out what happened, rather than just being angry at people. I wish people in general felt more uncomfortable with certainty. If you feel like you have a solid picture of what happened in Ferguson, that should make you uncomfortable and you should question whether you might be wrong. ESPECIALLY if it is making you emotional.
BronsonLee
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I should watch the video of the press conferences from the Ferguson chief when I get home tonight.
perfectchaos007
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If they use probable cause I swear....
NYCmetsfan
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that smear comes after the autopsy
nice, banned right after i called him being banned. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
this is pretty huge is it not?
Lan Dong Mik
And why would I want them?
The stills make it seem a hell of a lot worse than it was.
Seriously? You think the stills are worse than this? This looks way worse. Not that it has anything to do with the shooting but c'mon. That shit is terrible.
MorisUkunRasik
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crazed hyperathletic weed addict raised his arms at police to display his raw muscle power
That's already being floated around on GAF: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=125562917&postcount=75
The only thing we know as far as the cops injuries is that he had some swelling on his face.
The shot him in the back as he was running away.
An altercation can't justify that.
Joel Was Right
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Agreed. Seems shady as hell to remove any context. Brown goes up to the counter. Why wouldn't they show that?
Link if you find it please
manfestival
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I think the news of him performing a robbery is a cop out of a cop shooting an unarmed dude in cold blood on the street in order to justify his actions to the masses. I dont agree with the police or the rioters
You will probably be pretty pissed. It is bad.
gutter_trash
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but but but the cop didn't know about the convenience store incident
CassidyIzABeast
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High during the attack for $500 Alex.
Ok. I didn't know they gave out status yet.
DrForester
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For anyone who watched the press conference, did the revelation about the robbery having nothing to do with this incident come freely from the Police Chief, or was it an answer when someone asked?
Feel this could answer clearly as to incompetence or cover up.
Paid leave I think is standard across the country in officer involved shootings. Even in cases where there is absolutely no doubt as to the justification of the shooting, there is always an investigation.
Feel this could answer clearly as to incompetence or cover up.
Paid leave I think is standard across the country in officer involved shootings. Even in cases where there is absolutely no doubt as to the justification of the shooting, there is always an investigation.
jamesinclair
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Isnt not reading the OP bannable? Its gotten really tiresome.
NEOPARADIGM
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So this cop both fled the scene and then didn't file a report, is that accurate?
Zoe
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Oh boy, here we go....
Yeah this is true.
Was thinking the same thing... =(
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
Pretty sick that they're using this as emotional ammo, even though it had nothing to do with the death. But hey, anything that makes these guys sleep better at night.
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