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Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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JBourne said:
Every blunt I've ever had has been rolled in a swisher sweet. You know what's going to come up next.
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"Autopsy report shows that the suspect had marijuana, widely known drug of choice for violent people in his system. Our official response is that this motherfucker had it coming. God bless America."
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JBourne said:
The only thing we know as far as the cops injuries is that he had some swelling on his face.

The shot him in the back as he was running away.

An altercation can't justify that.
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Well it could, if he actually did go for the officers gun. He then becomes an obvious threat that needs to be apprehended. Not saying that's what he did.. But if he did.. Yes he would need to be stopped even if he tried running away after the unsuccessful attempt.
 
Zoe said:
In the police report:

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Thanks for this - not sure I believe it, but pretty much all we have until somebody says different.
 
Everything this police department has done makes me view them negatively. Militarized police response to protests, releasing video unrelated to the reason why the cop stopped Brown, purposefully misdirecting and withholding information. I can't believe I had a "wait and see" attitude earlier this week.
 
JBourne said:
Every blunt I've ever had has been rolled in a swisher sweet. You know what's going to come up next.
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Don't worry, once the toxicology report can determine if a single molecule of THC was present in Brown's blood we can finally get to the stage where the media speculates on whether he entered an African Mojo Drug Rage
 
milquetoast said:
Well it could, if he actually did go for the officers gun. He then becomes an obvious threat that needs to be apprehended. Not saying that's what he did.. But if he did.. Yes he would need to be stopped even if he tried running away after the unsuccessful attempt.
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I don't know that that would legally justify deadly force after the fact. During the altercation, of course, but once he's running away? I'm not so sure.
 
KHarvey16 said:
My expectation is just recognition that some people may in fact question, disagree with or be skeptical of the prevailing viewpoint of a particular facet of this story and that that isn't necessarily motivated by secret racism, a desire, conscious or otherwise, to downplay tragedy or a need to be contrarian. Maybe he perceives the use of child or an emphasis on his innocence as needless emotional ploys. I don't know that I agree, but I can sympathize with that in a way, since his age and criminal history have no bearing on whether or not this killing was justified. That's maybe even a discussion worth having, but it won't be brought up if we just attack our own assumptions.

To me, this practice of focusing on motivations without any attempt to understand first breeds an attitude whereby anyone going even slightly against the grain finds themselves the target of barely veiled accusations regarding racism, pro-police defense force and so on and so forth. I don't think it's in the best interest of civil discussions of emotional topics.
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On the one hand, I agree with you regarding taking an objective approach to controversial topics like this.

On the other hand, I cannot think of a single possible scenario where killing Brown in the streets well after he was already shot and had surrendered was justifiable. That's where I have trouble understanding why anyone could take an opposing view without an agenda.
 
Zoe said:
In the police report:

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Why isn't it in the video?

And I love how u keep quoting me yet earlier u were so adamant that Johnson's version of the story was somehow wrong but haven't said a peep since the police confirmed it was unrelated.
 
KHarvey16 said:
I don't know that that would legally justify deadly force after the fact. During the altercation, of course, but once he's running away? I'm not so sure.
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I'm not sure either. Anyone else know? If you go for a cops gun, but are unsuccessful, would they normally then be in their rights to shoot you if you trie to run away?
 
EmCeeGramr said:
Don't worry, once the toxicology report can determine if a single molecule of THC was present in Brown's blood we can finally get to the stage where the media speculates on whether he entered an African Mojo Drug Rage
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I'm starting to wonder if the media out there right now don't give two fucks about that stuff. They didn't really fall for the robbery thing and went right at the chief for it. Will they fall for that?

milquetoast said:
I'm not sure either. Anyone else know? If you go for a cops gun, but are unsuccessful, would they normally then be in their rights to shoot you if you trie to run away?
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No.

Edit: Jesus christ, that Twitter timeline can't be real. But it looks like it is.
 
xnipx said:
Why isn't it in the video?

And I love how u keep quoting me yet earlier u were so adamant that Johnson's version of the story was somehow wrong but haven't said a peep since the police confirmed it was unrelated.
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Sorry, this thread moves fast and I was away while the press conference was going on. It's no longer relevant.
 
Tangeroo said:
On the one hand, I agree with you regarding taking an objective approach to controversial topics like this.

On the other hand, I cannot think of a single possible scenario where killing Brown in the streets well after he was already shot and had surrendered was justifiable. That's where I have trouble understanding why anyone could take an opposing view without an agenda.
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I don't know that many disagree. If he were shot outside the vehicle while attempting to surrender I don't know that anyone has argued it was justified.
 
Tangeroo said:
On the one hand, I agree with you regarding taking an objective approach to controversial topics like this.

On the other hand, I cannot think of a single possible scenario where killing Brown in the streets well after he was already shot and had surrendered was justifiable. That's where I have trouble understanding why anyone could take an opposing view without an agenda.
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I don't think there's realistically a scenario where the officer didn't severely fuck up, but I can imagine scenarios that don't involve him being an absolute monster, but rather a scared person with a head injury who fucked up real bad.

Mind you, I still think "monster" is the more likely option, but I'm not at all certain either way.
 
Abelian75 said:
I like you.

I wish threads like this were more about trying to figure out what happened, rather than just being angry at people. I wish people in general felt more uncomfortable with certainty. If you feel like you have a solid picture of what happened in Ferguson, that should make you uncomfortable and you should question whether you might be wrong. ESPECIALLY if it is making you emotional.
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As I said previously - we've seen this before. The same pattern, the same defenses... you can't fault people for getting irritated when the best contribution of a given poster is "well we don't know all of the facts." It only serves to obfuscate an issue that has long been ignored and the black person involved never given the benefit of the doubt. If we keep doing that, we'll never get anywhere with this discussion.

A lot of people tend to try and use the same lines and chain of logic to appear impartial and reasonable, but some situations require taking a side and/or an intense emotional response. If your best contribution is "we don't know everything," then that just comes off as being insensitive. Feel free to discuss the details as they come in, but if you're just going to try and spin the story so as to put the black man at fault...
 
BronsonLee said:
I'm starting to wonder if the media out there right now don't give two fucks about that stuff. They didn't really fall for the robbery thing and went right at the chief for it. Will they fall for that?



No.

Edit: Jesus christ, that Twitter timeline can't be real. But it looks like it is.
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All media has 1 goal, to sell you advertisements. FOX CNN NBC whoever determines every second of information they show to maximize ad revenue. The media literally only cares about the money.
 
milquetoast said:
I'm not sure either. Anyone else know? If you go for a cops gun, but are unsuccessful, would they normally then be in their rights to shoot you if you trie to run away?
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Do you think it's okay to shoot someone in the back? Do you think it's okay for a police officer to shoot someone in the back?
 
Random Painted HIghway said:
Cops are probably hoping for PCP or bath salts
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They're probably not going to be very happy then.

I can't believe that Twitter timeline hasn't gotten more traction. I hadn't seen it before at all. I was avoiding pictures of the body and then boom.

Ultrabum said:
All media has 1 goal, to sell you advertisements. FOX CNN NBC whoever determines every second of information they show to maximize ad revenue. The media literally only cares about the money.
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They also care about being messed with, which the police force has done in this situation to them in spades. I've seen what happens when you piss off one reporter. They can take your job if they're vociferous enough. Now imagine a whole lot of them gunning for you.
 
From the Daily Beast:

Police in Ferguson, Missouri, once charged a man with destruction of property for bleeding on their uniforms while four of them allegedly beat him.

“On and/or about the 20th day of Sept. 20, 2009 at or near 222 S. Florissant within the corporate limits of Ferguson, Missouri, the above named defendant did then and there unlawfully commit the offense of ‘property damage’ to wit did transfer blood to the uniform,” reads the charge sheet.

The address is the headquarters of the Ferguson Police Department, where a 52-year-old welder named Henry Davis was taken in the predawn hours on that date. He had been arrested for an outstanding warrant that proved to actually be for another man of the same surname, but a different middle name and Social Security number.
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The rest of story is here:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-day-ferguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html
 
Bellamin said:
Everything this police department has done makes me view them negatively. Militarized police response to protests, releasing video unrelated to the reason why the cop stopped Brown, purposefully misdirecting and withholding information. I can't believe I had a "wait and see" attitude earlier this week.
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You just don't like the fact that he robbed and assaulted an employee. You can criticize the timing or way it was released, but you absolutely cannot criticize that this information became public.
 
El Odio said:
Another person saying he was running. This wasn't one of the original witnesses right?
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Apparently now it is okay to use lethal force to stop people who we have no evidence of anything against to stop running away.

Did he even announce he would shoot? Do we know that? I'd think Brown would have stopped dead in his tracks if the cop announced he would shoot.
 
HP_Wuvcraft said:
Apparently now it is okay to use lethal force to stop people who we have no evidence of anything against to stop running away.

Did he even announce he would shoot? Do we know that? I'd think Brown would have stopped dead in his tracks if the cop announced he would shoot.
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Did any of the witnesses state the cop said anything?
 
Veritigo_X said:
Do you think it's okay to shoot someone in the back? Do you think it's okay for a police officer to shoot someone in the back?
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I'm trying to reconcile my first instinct to say "certainly not" with "well, if he's trying to grab a cops gun I don't want him to just get away.." They need to release some clarification on that.
 
vas_a_morir said:
I need a crimson tide fan to tell me if this is robbery or not...
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Depends, here's the relevant language:
"As ____ was placing the boxes on the counter, Brown grabbed a box of Swisher Sweet cigars and handed them to Johnson who was standing behind Brown."
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If the box of cigars he grabbed as described in this line was in the hands of the clerk, then, yes, that would meet the statutory definition of a robbery (felony).

If they were on the counter, then theft/larceny (misdemeanor).
 
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@SLIKK_DARKO the first two was, the next 5 werent, he turned around
 
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