EdibleKnife
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It's insane how a lot of people aren't going to see through the frankly comedic spinning that certain outlets and these cops are pulling. Even scarier that many people probably just don't want to see through it.
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Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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It's insane how a lot of people aren't going to see through the frankly comedic spinning that certain outlets and these cops are pulling. Even scarier that many people probably just don't want to see through it.
I want a rehiring of all the cops in that department (with required psychological examining), but we all know that isn't going to happen.
Where the lapel cams at?
Yeah scripts will not be flipped over night, Sometimes you get little Ws.
But Brown knew he was a suspect. That alters his mental state. In a trial that ABSOLUTELY would be discussed and it would ABSOLUTELY be presented.
The video is relevant. It does not mean the cop is not guilty. But it is relevant and needed to be released.
Vermillion
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That's all fine. Thank you for being understanding.
I live in Kansas City, albeit the KS side, but this is the only thing any of the news stations are talking about right now. Some lawyer called in to a news talk show I listen to on the radio and said that it is within the officers right to shoot at a fleeing felony suspect.
Now, it's known that the officer didn't know he was a suspect in the felony robbery that he is alleged to have been in BUT he was allegedly in an altercation with that police officer and that is a felony (assault on a peace officer.) So the officer may have been completely justified in shooting him in the back, legally speaking.
Now, it's known that the officer didn't know he was a suspect in the felony robbery that he is alleged to have been in BUT he was allegedly in an altercation with that police officer and that is a felony (assault on a peace officer.) So the officer may have been completely justified in shooting him in the back, legally speaking.
CrimsonCommie
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I definitely believe it will be used. I really meant that it shouldn't be used. The only eyewitness close enough to know what happened has said the cop mentioned nothing about the shoplifting to them.
Fuck no it didn't. It was released for character assassination and dehumanization. Period.
PhoenixDark
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Depends on your perspective. Any hope for "justice" is gone, and the riots+Brown's alleged thievery will take center stage now.
Not really. The witness accounts already had Brown pegged as stealing cigars, the friend he was with outed him. The video could have been released day 1, it wasn't. The police only released it, as the chief said, because they had to. Due to media pressure.
You're narrative isn't even one that the chief of police is aware of. It is just to smear brown. Which is why it came out at the same time he released the officers name. Brown was shot by a man that fled the scene, and his home. THere is no reason to believe that this corrupt police department is doing anything with the sanctity of the law in mind. Else day 1 they would have released the name, and the video, and the statement that the officer pulled him over for being in the middle of the street. Instead, we have a lie being formed in front of our very own eyes.
Cheif said the officer had nothing to do with it, and wasn't aware of the robbery. Now he knows the items stolen, but was he pulling someone over in the middle of the road, or was he going to another call As the chief said as well. Its a bunch of lies.
The chief said there is no relation. So with that being the case, then outside of your own personal reasons. There was no logical reason to release the video with the excuse of "well you guys are pressuring us to release it!"
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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This Chief is an absolute piece of shit in my mind. He knew exactly what we was doing this morning by releasing the robbery information with such vagueness and without offering the report on the actual shooting. And now I found out that while I was sleeping he finally mentions that the two incidents have nothing to do with each other. All this incompetence and spin is just so infuriating.
Brown isn't at trial, Darren Wilson is.
Saint Gregory
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After he already surrendered?
In either case I'd like to believe that it can't possible be true that it's OK legally to shoot an unarmed criminal in the back while fleeing but after some of the other cases recently I can't anymore.
That's interesting because per the Chief before he flip-flopped, the officer didn't know he was a suspect.
water_wendi
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Oh no doubt at that. Its not going to be a fun time when it arrives.
either way the officer is going to get off. We are all kidding ourselves. We know the jurors will have bias, as they had in the Martin trial. So its not like any of this information matters outside of "well..he shoved that person. So its likely he attacked the police officer then ran away to get more jungle powers." Even without the video, the narrative would still resonate with jurors.
As others have said.. in that regard, its over. now the media on the other hand, is going to keep up the fire on then ineptitude of the pd because they went after them. But, browns family won't see justice.
Probably not after he surrendered, but if he was running away. The key here is it has to be a felony that he is accused of. From what I gather, he was shot in the back whilst running away, no? I admittedly haven't been very closely following.
This pretty much. I can't see his death and the questions surrounding it being the main focus anymore. Especially in the general public's eye. All everyone will be talking about now is how a scary black man robbed a store and how that robbery justifies his death.
I mean, you're already seeing it begin in this thread.
NEOPARADIGM
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We may still presume for the time being that the cop will (or could, anyway) get put away for 2nd degree murder, can we not?
Brown was the victim, not the cop...
Brown was accosted by the cop a short time after committing a crime, it's not reaching to assume he thought that the cop was after him for that, and that's why the video will be paraded around. Because it could have had a bearing on why Brown would have done whatever the cops say he did.
Per KSDK, tensions seem a lot higher compared to last night.
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Of course! The police department threw jet fuel onto the fire. I have no doubt it was done on purpose too.
That's not really the point though....attacking an officer is a felony. Therefore by the letter of the law, as I understand it, the cop has the option to fire at the fleeing felony suspect. That would mean that the cop acted within his legal right as a peace officer.
Though I'm not necessarily making a case that this portion of the law is just or fair.
Velcro Fly
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doesn't excuse shooting him 7 times for just running away
Angelus Errare
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I doubt he'll see a day of prison.
NEOPARADIGM
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I do too, but in terms of "all hope for justice is gone," that's premature.
I am pretty convinced they did it so they could say "see I told you so" and roll the tanks back in.
Of course not.
It is the point. Even if the law wasn't there, the cop is still going to get off because of reasons. The jury will believe whatever story is made. Having an actual law is just extra frosting on the tip.
Alligatorjandro
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This shit has me heated
I don't see this happening at all...
I mean the fruitvale station BART officer served less than a year in prison for killing an unarmed black male that was caught entirely on video...showing that the dude straight executed him for no reason. If that dude got so little time, why would this dude get anything more, especially when you now have the robbery to fall back on to say he was a no good thug? If anything it's more realistic to say that he'll get no time at all.
The only part of his mental state that is going to "matter" is what was going through his mind when he encountered Darren Wilson and what was going on through his mind when he, by multiple accounts, had his hands up, back turned, and surrendered.
See, this is the problem with releasing this footage so late in the game; it's misdirecting people to put Mike Brown on trial for robbery or not, not Wilson being questioned about this entire incident.
PhoenixDark
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Want to bet? The police have handled this near perfectly, and now they've tampered with jury pools.
exactly.
We could assume but the chief said the cop stopped Brown for blocking traffic. What Brown knew or didn't know can't be quantified now.
NEOPARADIGM
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No I do not. You're likely right. I just want to keep some hope.
Epsilon-delta
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The chief knew exactly what he was doing when he released the tape today. It's character assassination, plain and simple.
I don't expect Darren Wilson to be found guilty of anything at the end of his trial.
I don't expect Darren Wilson to be found guilty of anything at the end of his trial.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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The trial is not going to be a pretty thing to watch.
onadesertedisland
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If he is even indicted. Scary powder keg to think about.
Then they should burn the fucking town down and start over. And I hate to say that but there's only so much injustice that people should have to put up with.
You may be right but that's all complete speculation. In THIS case, there may actually be a law that's applied that actually justifies the cops actions.
great, so cop gets off for killing an unarmed black man with the law backing him, again.
Veritigo_X
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This doesn't sound right. If someone is suspected of committing a felony and is running away unarmed an officer can open fire?
CharminUltra
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Releasing this footage was a brilliant idea if the goal was to make the dead kid look like a thug to the general public. People around me are already going like "Of course! I knew something like that would come to light eventually! It's always the case with these people in the end!" This isn't even some small town, either. It's SoCal FFS.
Depressing...
Depressing...
CassidyIzABeast
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Wait I haven't read the thread in a little while. He backtracked on that?
You know you done fucked right has NEVER been more appropriate
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I feel like this is one of those photos, man. We'll be seeing this one for a long time. It's tragic and it's pretty beautiful all at once. The other photo, of the kid with their hands up while the militarized police are swarming, and "fuck the police" written on the mailbox in the corner, was a perfect summary of what's going on, too.
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