To be fair I underestimated SE's stupidity last gen and going forward I will not be surprised by anything they do. I'm 100% certain they are allergic to money at this point.
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Phil Spencer: MS will spend money on marketing and developing Rise of the Tomb Raider
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To be fair I underestimated SE's stupidity last gen and going forward I will not be surprised by anything they do. I'm 100% certain they are allergic to money at this point.
SEGAvangelist
Member
That's gonna be awesome. I hope it's skin tight like his other shirts.
MilitanT07
Unconfirmed Member
He probably means, if he upset anti-xbox fans or ps4 fans, the his doing his job right! i.e. they would only be upset if he is doing his job fine, in other word, they won't be pissed if he was fucking the xbox brand.
What about North America / Europe timed exclusivity?
Now THAT could happen; Microsoft has clearly shown they have big pockets with the TR move, so them giving more money to Square to make those games be timed exclusives in NA/EU is possible.
Then again, the PS4 is region free (like how the PS3 and Vita are), so if Square doesn't region lock the PS4 version, mass waves of PS4 owners could just import the tittle :l.
Granted, I really don't want that to be the case (I want a PS4 for a few reasons and KH3 is one of them
), and considering how successful FF and KH are on PS platforms (I think more then TR? Not super sure there :l), Square would be stupid to make another deal like the TR one again. I think they saw from this backlash that even if the money is good, the backlash could be an issue XD!
SenjutsuSage
Banned
That's what I'm now thinking, but it's so confusing, so I'll just see when we get to that point.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Square is very stupid though so i wouldnt be suprised. Besides money talks..The amount of melt down that would happen due to that XD! I don't think Square Enix is THAT stupid to pull something like that
Between FFXV stupidly long development cycle (being a PS3 exclusive but now a multiplatform game) and KH3 being closely linked to Sony (with the KH HD Collections ONLY being on PS3).....it would be counter-intuitive for them to get Microsoft to have them as timed-exclusives.
Besides, those are games that will push PS4's in Japan; Sony may not be willing to pay for 3rd party exclusives like how Microsoft has been doing but they would have no issues paying to make sure they land on the PS4 (PS4 needs JP support to sell over there and these games are sure-fire ways to make that happen).
The money they'll get from MS will be paltry to the sales numbers from PS4 alone.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
The little bastards did it to us again. The sons of guns.
It most likely won't, but this is the best chance I'm ever going to have for the series to be replaced with something that has actual quality gameplay and game design again. It's like a very low odds, but before there was 0% in the near future, now there's like a 5% chance. I'll take any improvement on my odds here, any outlook that means damaging this new fake TR abomination and forcing the company to reevaluate its priorities. I like my platforming with actual challenge, my tomb raider with limited combat engagements, and exploration and trap/obstacle navigation being paramount the same way actual, meaningful puzzle design was.
If that makes me an "old fart", I'm the oldest of all farts. >
they chased uncharted with tomb raider 2013 and will continue to do so with rottr
And Xbox One sales will be paltry compared to the sales on other platforms. Capitalism, ho!
Looks like they might have trouble funding a sequel with those sales. >_>
Not just PS4 owners but PC owners to, if his job is to piss everyone else off that they don't buy your console, then that is one shit job.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Well im not much of a psychic so to each their own..
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Tomb Raider doesn't have that kind of pull.
Vigilant Walrus
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Look matey, I have no idea. I just assume if it costs 50 million dollars to make these freaking things, and another 50-75 million on the marketing, then it has to hurt the wallet, when the Japanese games industry is in the toilet and apparently 6 million was not what they had hoped for. But I don't know.
Who knows. That's the thing. it's all speculation. All companies are about greedy so SE must have had a good reason.
It doesn't take a psychic to suppose that the sales on more dominant platforms will be better than the underperforming platform that gets a little time window.
You don't need to be a psychic to see that PS oriented franchises will do good on PS consoles.
Go read his interview on Eurogamer. He clearly states it's coming to Xbox One and 360. In the same paragraph he says the deal has a duration.
There's absolutely nothing cryptic about it. It's not his job to discuss SE's plans for the game after the deal expires, why would he know that and what's in it for him to discuss it?
they're being altruistic. they're helping break the majority of gamers addiction to shitty tomb raider. in its place will be their love and adoration of a time when Tomb Raider was about meaningful, challenging platforming and exploration, sprawling, epic multiroom puzzles that required lateral thinking and quick reflexes, obstacle and trap rooms that make your skin stand on end from the tension. A time when no one needed the endless sounds of bullets to be entertained and all they had to comfort them was that haunting Lara Croft scream as she plummets into the blackness below, another mistimed jump spelling your doom for the 12th time.
You'll see. You'll ALLLLL see.
*rocks back and forth*
The situation definitely isn't. I was just speaking about & comparing the statements from MS and nothing more.
They are not interested in people that own both consoles. Those buy the better version of multiplatforms. They are interested in the 150 million that haven't bought either console yet. And seriously the most vocal people complaining about the deal and transparency are those that wouldn't buy an X1 in the first place.
SEGAvangelist
Member
It most likely won't, but this is the best chance I'm ever going to have for the series to be replaced with something that has actual quality gameplay and game design again. It's like a very low odds, but before there was 0% in the near future, now there's like a 5% chance. I'll take any improvement on my odds here, any outlook that means damaging this new fake TR abomination and forcing the company to reevaluate its priorities. I like my platforming with actual challenge, my tomb raider with limited combat engagements, and exploration and trap/obstacle navigation being paramount the same way actual, meaningful puzzle design was.
If that makes me an "old fart", I'm the oldest of all farts. >
But new Lara, man... don't you want to protect her?
Hoho for breakfast
Member
Wouldn't Sony know if the game is being made for their system? Why not ask them?
And I'm beyond tired of the terrible PR speak. The only thing I hear clearly is "Don't buy an Xbox".
And I'm beyond tired of the terrible PR speak. The only thing I hear clearly is "Don't buy an Xbox".
licktheenvelope
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What's more absurd is that the press is flaunting what MS is bringing to the table as their "marketing power"... MS Marketing has been a disaster for the last couple years... especially on gaming.
The joke Adam Boyes did with the Nuclear Throne dev the other day shows that he knows.
Neuromancer
Member
Yes how could he possibly know that SE is planning on putting the game out on other platforms when the period of exclusivity ends? Because that never happens.
To be less sarcastic, it's really SE's responsibility to tell us what the duration is. But the terms of the deal probably muzzle them from being able to do that, which is pretty assy.
SEGAvangelist
Member
The 150 million (which is probably more 100 million) getting advise on what to buy from the 15 million that have already bought a console though.
Disney probably won't allow KH 3 exclusivity, but I want to see SE make Final Fantasy exculive to Xbox. It would be worth it just to watch them torpedo the franchise.
bananafactory
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Birgitte2004
Member
Phil Spencer absolutely should care if people that own video game systems but don't own Xboxes don't like this move, because he wants those people to buy an Xbox.
It's not like buying a PS4/PC legally precludes you from buying an Xbox One.
Can we get Gabe to come out and say that? Full circle that would be.
Who is being mistreated? Seriously? What shitty practice? Funding a game from a third party? Sony is doing it with Bloodborne, Nintendo is doing it with Bayonetta 2. Its entirely possible that square sought a publisher for Tomb Raider as they completely mismanaged the budget of the game last time around. You're completely overreacting.
FinalStageBoss
Banned
Piss off potential customers to the point where they want nothing to do with your product. Genius.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Probably to not damage future relations with SE. It's not worth it.
markedbravado
Member
So I guess they now purchased full console exclusivity on TR. This means no PS3/PS4 version. PC will definitely come down the line. Sheeeeet! Square done goofed and this deal works out a lot better for MS than the original "timed" exclusivity. Or Spencer could be lying through his teeth again.
licktheenvelope
Member
Sony actually might not know yet.
If Rise of Tomb Raider has less sales than TR (2013), I'm going to cry while doing the told ya so dance.
Shadow_FFVI
Member
I wonder how big of a mistake this will feel like in Fall 2015. As in how big a lead will the PS4 have over the XBox One.
I don't know, they made 22 million people buy a goddamn Kinect sensor. Sounds like marketing did a great job. When you're 499 and the other console is 399 and more powerful there's nothing marketing can do to spin it.
That's pretty much a guarantee at this point.
You are wrong, its timed. Phil is just trying to confuse everyone.
licktheenvelope
Member
I wonder if Square is dumb enough to sign a term that doesn't let them announce when they are launching the game on other platforms...
And Square can still make more money off of it, in which the deal will have been a positive one for them.
bananafactory
Banned
Without a PS3/PS4 audience? There's no way it will sell more than TR 2013.
SEGAvangelist
Member
If? Why would it have more sales? It's coming out much earlier in the generation and not on all platforms.
DOWN
Banned
I missed it. What was it?
If this is like the DR3 deal, doesn't that mean maybe PC, but no chance on PS4 for years?