"RoTR will come first to Xbox Holiday 2015. Whether SE wants to put it on other platforms after that is up to them." That's all they have to say instead of the shit show they've been putting on the past few days.
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Phil Spencer: MS will spend money on marketing and developing Rise of the Tomb Raider
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"RoTR will come first to Xbox Holiday 2015. Whether SE wants to put it on other platforms after that is up to them." That's all they have to say instead of the shit show they've been putting on the past few days.
Steve Youngblood
Member
Why on Earth would it be in their interest to spell this out?
So you'd rather have them say vague non-answers, borderline lying, when we already know the truth?
They also didn't have trouble saying "First to Xbox" with the indie games they've announced at Gamescom.
Steve Youngblood
Member
If we already know the truth -- if we are capable of finding other sources and reading between the lines -- why do we need more clarity from them. Further, I'm sure the indie announcements represent less significant investments.
freefornow
Member
Where?
Nightengale
Member
Post history.
Hydrargyrus
Member
I don't see MS paying a ton of money for a timed exclusive and one day after the announcement, telling everyone that there's no need to buy xbone because in 3-6 months they could be play an improved version in PC/PS4...
It's normal that, once it's known that is timed, they try to trick with his words in order to make the situation look different.
It's normal that, once it's known that is timed, they try to trick with his words in order to make the situation look different.
TheRealTalker
Banned
when MS says Xbox do they also mean the 360
because if this game is cross gen for late 2015 then Oh boy
because if this game is cross gen for late 2015 then Oh boy
Nightengale
Member
Dragonborn
Member
Yea, apparently it's cross gen. Which is insane since they were just talking about how they wanted to take things one step farther, with state of the art mocap and whatnot.
Because at this point they're treating the people who do read these articles as morons who can't read between the lines.
So the size of the investments decides whether or not they can lie?
TheUnsunghero26
Member
Yeah, I'm always confused at some people's reactions to PR. They don't understand that businesses are trying to sell their products.
toddhunter
Member
The only reason would be if the exclusivity deal is for a significant time period, perhaps 6 months, a year or later. Then they could say "sure, it is coming to PS4 and PC, but it'll be a year, so might as well give in and buy it now if you want it".
To me that would be more effective than a vague "holiday 2015" because that sounds like a very short period of time, which means anybody interested in the game might as well just wait and see (given how long away it is anyway).
ArkkAngel007
Member
Yeah I trust Shinobi and the others who have tried saying as much as they are able. As I said, the development costs will likely lie with exclusive content rather than the core game itself.
But there's all sorts of nonsense as it stands now that I'm not going to eliminate any scenario until we see this deal pan out from dancing PR.
TheRealTalker
Banned
oh man this game
even with those graphic beasts coming out next year
Not to mention Sony has specifically stated that they don't want to lock down indie games that they haven't completely funded or helped develop long term. They want the indies to have the freedom to release elsewhere.
Adam Boyes is on record saying that long term exclusivity hurts indies.
I'm sure had Phil Spencer simply said something like, "We love the Tomb Raider series so we are helping them with some funding, dev help, etc., but we also want the series to grow so while we definitely would love to have the game exclusive for our fans to play initially, down the road we want S-E and CD to be able to reach an even larger audience. Long term exclusivity would hurt the TR series."
If he said something like that, we'd see I believe in Phil buttons on everybody's avatar.
tiredheadcrab
Member
I dont think Spencer has to tell you what other systems the game will arrive on in the future. Its not his game, he doesnt own the IP. He wouldnt know and thats none of his business as far as he is concerned. These deals are under strict NDA so he probably isnt allowed to talk about how long said deal is for anyway. I think MS could have handled this better though, that obvious. But they way it has been talked about the last few days non stop is sort of annoying. I mean there have been 3rd party exclusives.
What would GAF want MS and SE to do?
What would GAF want MS and SE to do?
As it's been said about a million times. I think people just wanted them to say "First on Xbox" right from the start. That's it, no more no less.
The way they announced TR, if that's how they are going to do it going forward, they should just get rid of the term "First on Xbox" because it would no longer have any meaning. You know what I mean? If MS is going to call a timed exclusive "Exclusively on Xbox" and a full exclusive also "Exclusively on Xbox" what the heck is the point of "First on Xbox" anymore??
The problem is the game was already announced as multiplat so when they lock it down they need to clarify what happens with that multiplat status.
tiredheadcrab
Member
No they dont HAVE to. The could in good faith and probably would be better but these contracts are under NDA so nobody is really obligated to tell anybody anything and we may never really know outside of rumors.
Omnistalgic
Member
just reposting for the odd comments that GAF is some pro-Sony house and everything MS does is evil, but not when Sony does it.
Lol...I had PS3 when the PSN store was a web page, an f'n WEB PAGE. And let me tell you, it was crapped on every single forum you went to because of the PR blunders of the company.
MS is currently blundering a lot, while Sony has provided a great place to play for gamers, with a positive PR scheme behind it.
Sound overly simplified, but that's all it is...You get crapped on for being a multi-billion dollar company that gets represented with stupid comments or bad decisions.
Garrett Hawke
Member
This is atrocious on behalf of MS. They really don't know how to make people like them. Non-answers and vague statements that confuse the consumer are hardly going to make people understand, OR want to buy their console. It just seems like a ton of mixed messages.
Sony has been doing some pretty shady stuff recently e.g. PS+ req for PS4 - but no-one really complained because they did it quietly and clearly, in a video that was a serious positive for them.
Sony has been doing some pretty shady stuff recently e.g. PS+ req for PS4 - but no-one really complained because they did it quietly and clearly, in a video that was a serious positive for them.
EmptySpace
Banned
to not obfuscate and use sneaky wordings in the first place.
their closer is the line, "exclusive to xbox on holiday 2015" or something just to make the headlines, then go on to give non-confirmation, non-committal, vague answers.
all for just saying it's a timed exclusive, just as what people have always done. yeah, but if they were being honest, it would've been less impactful and they can't have that. they wanted people to guess and talk about it and do all those crap.
look at hellblade. timed exclusive yet it didn't make the headlines about being a timed exclusive, did it? see, all they ever did was to trick people into thinking it was actually an exclusive.
i don't care much if it were timed or not, the fact that they purposely and knowingly use words that mislead people and then adding more smoke instead of making it clear are what irk me.
Who do you think draws up these contracts, reads these contracts and then agrees on these contracts? I don't think you are entirely getting what people are saying.
They are saying that MS and SE should never have done it that way where they NDA things like the game being a timed exclusive in the first place. Sure NDA how long exactly the game will be exclusive for, but not the simple fact that it is time exclusive. We aren't used to that. If something is timed exclusive we're used to being told that either by the platform holder or the developer. Very rarely do both parties agree to hide the ball and try to play it off like it's a full exclusive.
The games you get with it help soften the blow plus F2P stuff don't require PSN+.
Seems like this needs to be posted again.
Garrett Hawke
Member
They're desperate for $$, people always do stupid things for money.
Well to be fair they confirmed that you would need it to play online the very same day after the stage show. They weren't vague after they were questioned by press offstage.
Triggerhappytel
Member
The first game sold over six million copies. There is no way this sequel wasn't going to happen, so it's not like MS have waltzed in and saved a game from the chopping block.
Triggerhappytel
Member
Yeah, that's pretty crazy. I wonder if it will be coming to PS3 as well when it launches on PS4/PC in mid-late 2016, or whenever.
This is all so bizarre, and the mixed messages remind me of Microsoft circa June last year. It can't be a full console exclusive because I don't think SE would be that stupid.
Edit - apologies for double post.
Of course they wouldn't want to. Consumers have to apply pressure or companies are going to obfuscate and strategically omit details to frame situations to their benefit. Do we really want to accept this step? I certainly was fed up with the standard language before this announcement.
Console debut was working wasn't it?
Effigenius
Member
And square considered it a failure. Do companies typically releases sequals to failures?
Effigenius
Member
They have. All their timed exclusives have come to pc, and all have come to pc before ps4. They are treating pc gamers fine. Do you not expect them to keep some games to their platform?
Doug Heffernan
Member
So now they're publishing?
...Interesting.
...Interesting.
Nightengale
Member
Failure at launch. They later revised it to say that it has become profitable, and surpassed their initial expectations after continuous sales over months.
Because business idiots think all sales are day-one sales, and failure to achieve targets within a month = bomba.
krypt0nian
Banned
He really is Mattrick 2.0. They are failing completely here. And like I said, all tales told, this will end of hurting Xbox more than helping at this point.
StarBlazers1
Member
Ummmm..... no. How many people do you believe are going to say, "No way I'm buying an XB1 because they are going to have the new Tomb Raider game?" Really?
If it was a true exclusive, then obviously Phil would be up on the rooftops shouting right now. We know he can communicate clearly and directly, so he is (for some reason) being deliberately vague and confusing here. Which is a shame, because I thought he was doing quite well.
Coffee Dog
Banned
It's not like his claim can be disproven if microsoft gave them even $5 to tighten up the graphics on level 4 or whatever.
I'll just say that it was announced as a multiplatform title and there wasn't any hint of developmental trouble before or after this announcement, and that phil spencer regularly talks out of his ass more than he does his mouth, ergo we can draw our own conclusions.
I'll just say that it was announced as a multiplatform title and there wasn't any hint of developmental trouble before or after this announcement, and that phil spencer regularly talks out of his ass more than he does his mouth, ergo we can draw our own conclusions.
You're really going to have to walk me through the mental gymnastics required to reach this parallel LOL
BuggeryBugz
Member
So because of some blunders on MS' part, the xbox one isn't a great place to play games?
I don't know how development works but maybe SE are saving money for not having to develop for 4 or 5 different platforms so they can achieve a higher profit margin with help from MS.