Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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jhmtehgamr20xx said:
You're missing the point, and you're taking the most literal route of the word instead of the most logical one. When it comes to unarmed citizens, aiming for a vital body part should be the last thing police officers do. If that isn't part of their training, it needs to be, that way we can have people treated at a hospital, tried and still alive instead, well, dead and leading to what's going on tonight.
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That will never be and never should be trained. Shoot to kill or do not shoot. Real life isn't a movie where you can reliably shoot somebody in the knee. The training is center mass and as a last resort.
 
What the hell caused this!?

https://twitter.com/NathanBGrant/status/501235740458893313/photo/1

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BennyBlanco said:
Ferguson has what? 50 cops? That is all state police equipment.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...3/?AID=10709313&PID=6149513&SID=10yol8nh2ny2k

Michelle McCaskill, media relations chief at the Defense Logistics Agency, confirms that the Ferguson Police Department is part of a federal program called 1033 that distributes hundreds of millions of dollars of surplus military equipment to civilian police forces across the United States. The materials range from small items, such as pistols and automatic rifles, to heavy armored vehicles such as the MRAPs used in Afghanistan and Iraq.
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Posted this earlier. Didn't get much traction.
 
I dunno, man. Incredibly sad situation, but since the so-called witnesses who said he was shot in the back were wrong, how much of what supposedly happened is wrong?

What if Wilson was telling the truth? He did reportedly sustain a broken jaw and his eye was swollen shut.

I haven't made up my mind conclusively one way or the other, and of course, tragedy. But if Wilson was in fear for his life, I cannot condemn him. Brown's fate is tragic, but again, if Wilson is telling the truth, then he should not be thrown under the bus and bear a scarlet letter for defending himself.

I am uncomfortable with how quickly everyone across the world can pass judgment though based off of inaccurate early media reports. Anonymous can just tweet someone's name who they've decided is guilty and let what happens happen. People can riot and demand "justice" without even knowing what really happened. Demand instant answers and get angry when the authorities take time to do a thorough investigation.
 
Some quotes from a tumblr poster who was there (last night, I think?):

I just got back from ‪#‎Ferguson‬, where they issued a state of emergency and curfew to give cover to a crackdown. A quote from a young man I met during a march this evening:

"That cop’s in hiding, but he’s freer than we are. We’re protesting, but we ain’t free."

If the cops really wanted to avoid confrontation tonight, all they had to do was arrest the cop they know killed ‪#‎MikeBrown‬. Instead, they ignored community demands, trampled on people’s rights, and unleashed more violence.

As another protester said to me:

“I’ve been out here the last three days, and it’s always peaceful until the cops show up. You saw it back there, we’re grilling, people having a good time, talking, building community. It’s the police. They’re the ones causing the violence. Thursday they didn’t come out and nothing happened….I heard about the curfew, but I’m not leaving. They can’t tell me to go inside and then shoot tear gas at us while we’re on our front lawns. So I’m staying out. If they want war, they can have it.”
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Brawly Likes to Brawl said:
As a nation we should be absolutely ashamed.
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You'd think at this point someone with significant power would step and take charge of the situation directly. It's clear the methods so far haven't worked. We need more then a few politicians saying some pretty words. It's a shame too cause I thought we were on track a few days ago, or at least in a better position. This country was founded on ideals that are being metaphorically raped to protect a corrupt police bureaucracy.

Seeing how this is has carried on for so long however I doubt anything significant will be taking place any time soon.
 
Megidolaon said:
I dunno, man. Incredibly sad situation, but since the so-called witnesses who said he was shot in the back were wrong, how much of what supposedly happened is wrong?

What if Wilson was telling the truth? He did reportedly sustain a broken jaw and his eye was swollen shut.

I haven't made up my mind conclusively one way or the other, and of course, tragedy. But if Wilson was in fear for his life, I cannot condemn him. Brown's fate is tragic, but again, if Wilson is telling the truth, then he should not be thrown under the bus and bear a scarlet letter for defending himself.

I am uncomfortable with how quickly everyone across the world can pass judgment though based off of inaccurate early media reports. Anonymous can just tweet someone's name who they've decided is guilty and let what happens happen. People can riot and demand "justice" without even knowing what really happened. Demand instant answers and get angry when the authorities take time to do a thorough investigation.
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Wilson hasn't said anything publicly yet. What if Wilson isn't telling the truth? The one we haven't heard in a statement or incident report?
 
Megidolaon said:
I dunno, man. Incredibly sad situation, but since the so-called witnesses who said he was shot in the back were wrong, how much of what supposedly happened is wrong?
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Dude, do you think its possible that the cop shot at Brown while he was running away and missed and Brown turned around to surrender and was shot? If you were witnessing that, how could you possibly know for certain that the shots missed? It all happens so fast and you're witnessing someone being killed. You're positive you heard gunshots, you can't know for certain if they hit until the smoke has cleared. And by that time, he was already dead.
 
Megidolaon said:
I dunno, man. Incredibly sad situation, but since the so-called witnesses who said he was shot in the back were wrong, how much of what supposedly happened is wrong?
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They weren't necessarily wrong though...they said he "jerked" as though being shot from behind, but that could have been a jolt of fear from suddenly hearing gunshots. What followed in their accounts - Brown turning around with arms raised, and then being shot by at least four bullets - is entirely consistent with the autopsy.
 
Megidolaon said:
I dunno, man. Incredibly sad situation, but since the so-called witnesses who said he was shot in the back were wrong, how much of what supposedly happened is wrong?

What if Wilson was telling the truth? He did reportedly sustain a broken jaw and his eye was swollen shut.

I haven't made up my mind conclusively one way or the other, and of course, tragedy. But if Wilson was in fear for his life, I cannot condemn him. Brown's fate is tragic, but again, if Wilson is telling the truth, then he should not be thrown under the bus and bear a scarlet letter for defending himself.

I am uncomfortable with how quickly everyone across the world can pass judgment though based off of inaccurate early media reports. Anonymous can just tweet someone's name who they've decided is guilty and let what happens happen. People can riot and demand "justice" without even knowing what really happened. Demand instant answers and get angry when the authorities take time to do a thorough investigation.
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If that's the case then why such a big cover up. Why didn't Wilson fill out a police report. Why was the first thing they did was put him on paid leave? Why did the Police Chief change the story?

Also it doesn't change that Mike Brown could still have been shot AT while he was running.

The witnesses said they heard 2 shots while he was running. (Maybe they assumed he was hit?)

Then they say he turned around with his his up surrendering. Last two shots were the headshots according to the autopsy.
 
Megidolaon said:
I dunno, man. Incredibly sad situation, but since the so-called witnesses who said he was shot in the back were wrong, how much of what supposedly happened is wrong?

What if Wilson was telling the truth? He did reportedly sustain a broken jaw and his eye was swollen shut.

I haven't made up my mind conclusively one way or the other, and of course, tragedy. But if Wilson was in fear for his life, I cannot condemn him. Brown's fate is tragic, but again, if Wilson is telling the truth, then he should not be thrown under the bus and bear a scarlet letter for defending himself.

I am uncomfortable with how quickly everyone across the world can pass judgment though based off of inaccurate early media reports. Anonymous can just tweet someone's name who they've decided is guilty and let what happens happen. People can riot and demand "justice" without even knowing what really happened. Demand instant answers and get angry when the authorities take time to do a thorough investigation.
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Why do people keep coming in here with this shit?
 
Megidolaon said:
I dunno, man. Incredibly sad situation, but since the so-called witnesses who said he was shot in the back were wrong, how much of what supposedly happened is wrong?

What if Wilson was telling the truth? He did reportedly sustain a broken jaw and his eye was swollen shut.

I haven't made up my mind conclusively one way or the other, and of course, tragedy. But if Wilson was in fear for his life, I cannot condemn him. Brown's fate is tragic, but again, if Wilson is telling the truth, then he should not be thrown under the bus and bear a scarlet letter for defending himself.

I am uncomfortable with how quickly everyone across the world can pass judgment though based off of inaccurate early media reports. Anonymous can just tweet someone's name who they've decided is guilty and let what happens happen. People can riot and demand "justice" without even knowing what really happened. Demand instant answers and get angry when the authorities take time to do a thorough investigation.
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Where are you pulling all this information about Wilson from?

Also...

Megidolaon said:
Holy shit. Just got fully caught up on this story today and this is disgusting.

This psycho cop harasses them, grabs the boy, and when they see that the cop is a massive psycho and try to get away from him, he executes the teen.

Wow. Appalling.
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I am uncomfortable with how quickly everyone across the world can pass judgment though based off of inaccurate early media reports.
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So I flipped over to the CNN stream, man it's disappointing, their reporter (standing maybe 30' from Tim) seems to be blaming the people, not the police, nor their use of military equipment. The smaller press guys (streamers mostly) seem to be doing more honest reporting.
 
Megidolaon said:
I dunno, man. Incredibly sad situation, but since the so-called witnesses who said he was shot in the back were wrong, how much of what supposedly happened is wrong?

What if Wilson was telling the truth? He did reportedly sustain a broken jaw and his eye was swollen shut.

I haven't made up my mind conclusively one way or the other, and of course, tragedy. But if Wilson was in fear for his life, I cannot condemn him. Brown's fate is tragic, but again, if Wilson is telling the truth, then he should not be thrown under the bus and bear a scarlet letter for defending himself.

I am uncomfortable with how quickly everyone across the world can pass judgment though based off of inaccurate early media reports. Anonymous can just tweet someone's name who they've decided is guilty and let what happens happen. People can riot and demand "justice" without even knowing what really happened. Demand instant answers and get angry when the authorities take time to do a thorough investigation.
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Sweet fancy moses, the autopsy did not contradict the 'so-called' witnesses.

And if you haven't made up your mind, why are these people not just 'witnesses'?

A thorough investigation? When the guy who did the shooting isn't even around? Drove away from the scene? Released a video to stir up rubbish?

???
 
Officerrob said:
You can say it doesn't matter, but to address the problem it's actually a huge deal
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It's a fair point and I understand that. All the same, it's incredibly upsetting for me to see this unfold, knowing that these cops were enabled to play at military to such levels because of that funding.
 
Megidolaon said:
I dunno, man. Incredibly sad situation, but since the so-called witnesses who said he was shot in the back were wrong, how much of what supposedly happened is wrong?

What if Wilson was telling the truth? He did reportedly sustain a broken jaw and his eye was swollen shut.

I haven't made up my mind conclusively one way or the other, and of course, tragedy. But if Wilson was in fear for his life, I cannot condemn him. Brown's fate is tragic, but again, if Wilson is telling the truth, then he should not be thrown under the bus and bear a scarlet letter for defending himself.

I am uncomfortable with how quickly everyone across the world can pass judgment though based off of inaccurate early media reports. Anonymous can just tweet someone's name who they've decided is guilty and let what happens happen. People can riot and demand "justice" without even knowing what really happened. Demand instant answers and get angry when the authorities take time to do a thorough investigation.
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Stop talking out of your ass.
 
Is there a reason Wilson isn't in custody until the FBIs investigation is over? Couldn't he likely be going into hiding from the law if he is charged for murder?
 
Megidolaon said:
I haven't made up my mind conclusively one way or the other, and of course, tragedy. But if Wilson was in fear for his life, I cannot condemn him. Brown's fate is tragic, but again, if Wilson is telling the truth, then he should not be thrown under the bus and bear a scarlet letter for defending himself.
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The Deja vu is un-fucking-canny
 
Calm down guys. I'm just saying you have this officer guilty until proven innocent.

Edit: I'm done here. I don't wanna get banned for going against what everyone else thinks.
 
Pkm said:
CNN, FOX, MSNBC, etc... mouthpiece of corporations or the two parties in America who could give a fuck about us over the all mighty dollar

RT is ok as long as you avoid the Russia/Ukraine bullshit
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Mesousa said:
Exactly.

RT isn't any more of a joke than any other mainstream us media source. All are owned.
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Are you guys serious? RT, the same group that said the Boston bombing was a US government conspiracy and gives backings to cranks and truthers. Every news organization has bias because people have biases, but comparing legitimate news organization to RT is a gross injustice. One only needs to read the interviews of journalist who used to work for RT to see.
 
One thing I will say about the cops from the brief time I worked closely with them (before I had to leave for being an absolute idiot) is that the command structure in most police and fire departments is that if you're not tapped to talk to the media, YOU DO NOT TALK TO THE MEDIA.

Being cold to the media is the norm. If you talk to the media without permission, your statements reflect the entire department. It could mean your job. A job that pays a great salary and a better pension.

To sum it all up, the cops shown in the VICE stream are likely being dicks because if they don't, they get blacklisted and could possibly be fired.
 
Mental Atrophy said:
That will never be and never should be trained. Shoot to kill or do not shoot. Real life isn't a movie where you can reliably shoot somebody in the knee. The training is center mass and as a last resort.
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Bullshit.

This guy in Germany was coming at cops with a machete.

They shot him in the leg.

http://www.bild.de/news/inland/voll...-betrunkenen-macheten-mann-36259026.bild.html

Or as a facebook image put it

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Funny how the rest of the civilized word has figured it out.
 
Megidolaon said:
Calm down guys. I'm just saying you have this officer guilty until proven innocent.

Edit: I'm done here. I don't wanna get banned for going against what everyone else thinks.
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You're done? Where did you get your information on Wilson? Post a link to something at least, what the fuck.
 
zewone said:
Is there a reason Wilson isn't in custody until the FBIs investigation is over? Couldn't he likely be going into hiding from the law if he is charged for murder?
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I would imagine you would have to charge him with something before taking him into custody.
 
Megidolaon said:
Calm down guys. I'm just saying you have this officer guilty until proven innocent.

Edit: I'm done here. I don't wanna get banned for going against what everyone else thinks.
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Even if Wilson's report of the incident was 100% accurate, there was no reason to shoot an unarmed person.
 
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