Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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Saganator said:
Ugh. This is such bullshit. I don't know how anyone could be on the police side of this issue. Even the most daft should see something wrong here.
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Exactly. Wilson COULD have sustained injury but they way the police have handled this from the start has just been shady as hell.
 
I rewatched the video. Brown definately steals the cigars, Johnson puts the initial pack handed to him back on the counter. Brown still committed a robbery and Johnson continued his day hanging out with him. He's an accomplice. An argument can be made for intent considering Johnson placed some of the cigars back. But under the statute mre posted, he was an accomplice.
 
I'm starting to wonder how much of the incident going the way it did is related to Wilson being quite possibly the most bumbling police officer ever
 
mernst23 said:
I rewatched the video. Brown definately steals the cigars, Johnson puts the initial pack handed to him back on the counter. Brown still committed a robbery and Johnson continued his day hanging out with him. He's an accomplice. An argument can be made for intent considering Johnson placed some of the cigars back. But under the statute mre posted, he was an accomplice.
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This is still irrelevant. The officer wasn't even aware a robbery took place.
 
mernst23 said:
I rewatched the video. Brown definately steals the cigars, Johnson puts the initial pack handed to him back on the counter. Brown still committed a robbery and Johnson continued his day hanging out with him. He's an accomplice. An argument can be made for intent considering Johnson placed some of the cigars back. But under the statute mre posted, he was an accomplice.
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So I see you getting upset with people jumping on your posts, but what does this really add to the discussion when the cops neither arrested nor questioned the so called "accomplice"? He freely admitted it, so what's the point of the argument? I don't get it.
 
mernst23 said:
I rewatched the video. Brown definately steals the cigars, Johnson puts the initial pack handed to him back on the counter. Brown still committed a robbery and Johnson continued his day hanging out with him. He's an accomplice. An argument can be made for intent considering Johnson placed some of the cigars back. But under the statute mre posted, he was an accomplice.
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Why does this matter?
 
mernst23 said:
I rewatched the video. Brown definately steals the cigars, Johnson puts the initial pack handed to him back on the counter. Brown still committed a robbery and Johnson continued his day hanging out with him. He's an accomplice. An argument can be made for intent considering Johnson placed some of the cigars back. But under the statute mre posted, he was an accomplice.
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The police early on last week said no charges were to be laid on him. He's also been interviewed by the FBI. He's completely out of the question.
 
mernst23 said:
I rewatched the video. Brown definately steals the cigars, Johnson puts the initial pack handed to him back on the counter. Brown still committed a robbery and Johnson continued his day hanging out with him. He's an accomplice. An argument can be made for intent considering Johnson placed some of the cigars back. But under the statute mre posted, he was an accomplice.
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So? The cops are dumb, but I don't think they're dumb enough to arrest a key witness on suspicion of accepting cigars the dude they killed gave to him.
 
MidgarBlowedUp said:
Possibly when Brown was running he heard shots being fired, so he turned towards the officer with his hands up hoping the officer would stop shooting at him. Inadvertently giving the officer an easier target which he took advantage of.
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More logical explanation is he beat the shit out this cop in the car. The cop slowly crawled out the car while Mike ran away and Wilson told Mike "Don't do this man, I just want to help you!" So Mike turned around shocked that Wilson was still alive and told Wilson he's coming back to finish the job and began to run towards the officer. Wilson fearing for his life let off 6 shots intended only to scare Brown, but accidentally killed him.

But yet everyone here is so quick to make Wilson then villain when it could have been it was Brown who was the villain the entire time. The police force knew this so THAT'S why they released the store robbery to show America what kind of person Mike really is. Naturally people can't handle the truth so they make up these crazy lies. I mean like 5 black witnesses saying the same thing is pretty suspect. 5 beautiful white female suspects? believeable. 5 thugs? Lies.
 
Boke1879 said:
Exactly. Wilson COULD have sustained injury but they way the police have handled this from the start has just been shady as hell.
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Right. Had the police come right the fuck out with all evidence on hand, made as many honest, factual statements as possible and reached out to the community to listen to their thoughts and feelings, maybe the world wouldn't be looking at them so hard. Instead they sent people with weapons out to the streets and said fuck all for days.

If someone doesn't smell something fishy, then they're choosing not to.
 
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nemss said:
It seems to me that the way the shots are all in that upper area near the head, that the cop unloaded those shots in a rapid fire succession while Brown was either standing with his head down and his arms up, or on the ground with his head down and his arms up.

Either way, I think the autopsy results show enough evidence considering the distance he was shot at, and the eyewitness reports, the cop needs to be arrested and charged.
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yup, once a suspect submits to pose of surrender, no further violence can be justified towards a suspect who is willingly giving up
 
mernst23 said:
I rewatched the video. Brown definately steals the cigars, Johnson puts the initial pack handed to him back on the counter. Brown still committed a robbery and Johnson continued his day hanging out with him. He's an accomplice. An argument can be made for intent considering Johnson placed some of the cigars back. But under the statute mre posted, he was an accomplice.
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So he's an accomplice to robbery by hanging out with a robber but the reason he's not being charged is bad PR after the robber was shot for attempting another robbery.
 
BHZ Mayor said:
So no evidence of struggle = The "reaching for my gun" story is now completely and unequivocally bullshit now right?
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Strictly speaking we're waiting on gun powder residue from the clothing to be sure of that. But, given there was no gunpowder residue on the skin, it seems unlikely that the cop's story of an up-close shot is true.
 
mernst23 said:
I rewatched the video. Brown definately steals the cigars, Johnson puts the initial pack handed to him back on the counter. Brown still committed a robbery and Johnson continued his day hanging out with him. He's an accomplice. An argument can be made for intent considering Johnson placed some of the cigars back. But under the statute mre posted, he was an accomplice.
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I was just about to make a joke about Homer Simpson and racists, but it seems that is no longer required.

Good day to you, banned sir.
 
teiresias said:
If Wilson was injured to the point that he needed medical attention why would he not file an incident report? Last I heard he hadn't.
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I have a buddy from HS who is a cop for a precinct here in Belleville, IL. I sent him a PM on Facebook asking about the injuries sustaned to Wilson, and what the procedure should be.

He stated that the first thing a trained officer should do, is in some way, shape, or form as soon as they call for backup and backup arrives, and the situation is handled, the cop needs to have photos taken that prove there was an altercation.

But then again, the officers are also trained to not fatally shoot someone who's surrendering to police. But, if Wilson was treated, there has to be some level of proof. We've yet to see that.
 
I'm watching CNN and they have this ladies video that shows Wilson and another officer near the body. Browns arms are laying flat and facing towards his feet, if he had his arms up and was shot falling down wouldn't his arms be laying in an upwards direction? I honestly have NO idea that's why I'm asking if anyone else might know how that would work?
 
Omegasquash said:
Right. Had the police come right the fuck out with all evidence on hand, made as many honest, factual statements as possible and reached out to the community to listen to their thoughts and feelings, maybe the world wouldn't be looking at them so hard. Instead they sent people with weapons out to the streets and said fuck all for days.

If someone doesn't smell something fishy, then they're choosing not to.
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Exactly my friend. WHY didn't Wilson fill out an incident report? Those things are there to protect you.

The police, police chief, and Governor handled this VERY poorly. After this I'd be shocked if the Police Chief doesn't step down.
 
jhmtehgamr20xx said:
Good day to you, banned sir.
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Oh, mernst...if you had just stayed away.

I don't doubt Wilson being injured happened, but they're not giving any details as to the circumstances regarding that, and the ways that Brown could have done it are becoming less and less viable with all the info we're getting.

Boke1879 said:
After this I'd be shocked if the Police Chief doesn't step down.
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I don't see any scenario where the Police Chief isn't the first head on the guillotine here. He could not have handled this worse. Wholly unprepared.
 
mernst23 said:
I rewatched the video. Brown definately steals the cigars, Johnson puts the initial pack handed to him back on the counter. Brown still committed a robbery and Johnson continued his day hanging out with him. He's an accomplice. An argument can be made for intent considering Johnson placed some of the cigars back. But under the statute mre posted, he was an accomplice.
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Dude, the original reason you mentioned he was an accomplice was to call into question his testimony. I don't even care what the law says, you can SEE in the video that, while he happened to be with someone committing a crime, was not comfortable committing a crime himself and actively returned the store's property. That does the opposite of calling into question his character. It strengthens it.

I'm saying this as someone who is not at all 100% on board with the prevailing narrative of this thread, as you can see from my earlier posts (admittedly, I'm increasingly on board the more we learn). I'm not jumping to conclusions until we learn as many facts as we can. But honestly, if you're trying to label Dorian as unreliable or whatever, despite actual video evidence of him appearing to be a pretty good kid, it really does look like you have a hidden agenda. 90% of the time people have been saying that in this thread (including at me!), I've been shaking my head and facepalming. In this case, it seems warranted.
 
Somnia said:
I'm watching CNN and they have this ladies video that shows Wilson and another officer near the body. Browns arms are laying flat and facing towards his feet, if he had his arms up and was shot falling down wouldn't his arms be laying in an upwards direction? I honestly have NO idea that's why I'm asking if anyone else might know how that would work?
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After getting shot 6 times he wouldn't gracefully go down in the exact pose that he's in like a movie. He was dead before he hit the ground.

Not meaning to sound snarky. Just answering the question.
 
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ElectricBlanketFire said:
After getting shot 6 times he wouldn't gracefully go down in the exact pose that he's in like a movie. He was dead before he hit the ground.

Not meaning to sound snarky. Just answering the question.
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Not snarky at all that's why I was asking. The arms just didn't look like they'd be laying the way I thought they would.
 
mernst23 said:
I rewatched the video. Brown definately steals the cigars, Johnson puts the initial pack handed to him back on the counter. Brown still committed a robbery and Johnson continued his day hanging out with him. He's an accomplice. An argument can be made for intent considering Johnson placed some of the cigars back. But under the statute mre posted, he was an accomplice.
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I just want to point out under the statute mre posted he is clearly NOT an accomplice. So legally he's not an accomplice, and the police agreed. The only person still making this ridiculous argument is you. Just because you "hang out" with someone that committed a criminal act does not make you an accomplice.

I can only assume that you are latching on to this try and confirm your own preconceived bias against them.
 
I wanted to say I am probably wrong on the analogy front. I was ignoring the context of the protest and focused soley on the analogy. An ex cop should look at the evidence before showing to a pro cop protest.

Apologies to all who read as well as those who replied.
 
Did a search and a scroll through the last 5 or 6 pages, so apologies if I missed this, but this protest in Philadelphia really helps underline one of the core issues at the heart of all of this: That people will go out of their way to sidestep the fact (literally) that black people are dying for no real reason other than the culture still considers them to be somewhat less than human.

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When you look at those photos, you might think they were staged as a means to highlight the point of the protest/performance. But they weren't. These are people who made a conscious decision to frame out the "dead" black man so as not to ruin their tourist photos.

There are quotes as well, at the link.
 
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