Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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Brolic Gaoler said:
Here is another main problem with the story that Wilson was getting hit. If he was being pummeled that bad, why is there no mention of bruising on mikes arms or hands.
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I feel like it's pretty likely that Brown slammed his head with the car door while he was getting out. Obviously that's conjecture, but it seems like a believable way to accidentally do more serious damage to a person than intended (he was probably just trying to shove Wilson back into the car, not smash his head), and would explain why Wilson was injured with no signs of a struggle on Brown.
 
Oh man he went back to the Ferguson situation after the 2nd question about Iraq? And made calculated but still pretty strong statements against the racist mindset of the justice system?

Hope I can catch that later.
 
Is the fact that the gun discharged while Brown and the officer were struggling at the window not in dispute? And after the discharge, that is when Brown and Johnson ran?
 
Konka said:
Lightening the mood isn't always a bad thing.



It's important to him, whether you guys believe it or not.
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I got that feeling, but his lack of energy made him sound disinterested. I'm glad he brought up how racist the system can be against people of color.
 
ISOM said:
He can't force congress to make laws man. Separation of powers and all that. You have one party who wants to see him fail at all costs it's surprising and depressing some people still don't understand this.
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He has no risk for appealing to the public. Shame congress. Get on TV and blast them, both D and R's. It's like he wants to make friends and not piss anyone off.
 
There was some important reading-between-the-lines here that needed to be done, guys. What he's saying is this is all arising from centuries of institutionalized racism, that minorities are treated much more harshly in the criminal justice system and that younger people in these impoverished areas can't even get out because they're frequently stuck in a revolving door of criminal justice.

He's saying these aren't problems unique to Ferguson PD, and that this racism is a viewpoint shared across the nation through all stages of life. He's also saying he's been trying to combat this since before he was president.

He also said in his prepared statement that he has to speak the way he's speaking about this because there's still an ongoing federal investigation of this and his statements would be seen as forcing the DoJ's hand one way or another.

I don't think he rambled, and I don't think he said "a whole bunch of nothing". He had some pretty strong ideas, just worded them in a way for the typical Fox News viewer to not understand them so easily.

EDIT: With what he said today I don't think there's any chance that there'll be foul play in the DoJ investigation. I don't think he'd let it happen.
 
Interesting tight rope performance by Obama there, blatantly insinuating the criminal justice system isn't fair without outright saying it. If you're expecting him or any president to definitively state that the system is inherently racist you're going to be disappointing, but this is the second time I've seen Obama come close to saying it.

I have full confidence in Eric Holder on this matter so it's hard to complain overall.
 
TheGeoKing said:
Thank you for posting this, and I am sorry for all that you personally had to go through because a corrupt and vile system. Anyone who knows what occurs when humans are given power (that is nearly unrestrained in this case) over other humans what can go terribly wrong. Uneducated people are allowed to have this unrestrained power and see this as a free ticket to do essentially whatever the hell they want to essentially whoever the hell they want. And that is what we see here in Ferguson. Power that has been unrestrained for so long, finally spiral out of control in a horrific chain of events.
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That's part of it but the other part that gets ignored is that the power and the authority to abuse it is what draws some people to become cops in the first place.
 
FiggyCal said:
I got that feeling, but his lack of energy made him sound disinterested. I'm glad he brought up how racist the system can be against people of color.
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He should have used a sick day and done this conference tomorrow. He seemed lethargic and had more disdain for people protesting than the tyrannic response towards the community.
 
EatinOlives said:
There was some important reading-between-the-lines here that needed to be done, guys. What he's saying is this is all arising from centuries of institutionalized racism, that minorities are treated much more harshly in the criminal justice system and that younger people in these impoverished areas can't even get out because they're frequently stuck in a revolving door of criminal justice.

He's saying these aren't problems unique to Ferguson PD, and that this racism is a viewpoint shared across the nation through all stages of life. He's also saying he's been trying to combat this since before he was president.

He also said in his prepared statement that he has to speak the way he's speaking about this because there's still an ongoing federal investigation of this and his statements would be seen as forcing the DoJ's hand one way or another.

I don't think he rambled, and I don't think he said "a whole bunch of nothing". He had some pretty strong ideas, just worded them in a way for the typical Fox News viewer to not understand them so easily.
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Yep. People need to open their ears more. If they think he said nothing.
 
EatinOlives said:
There was some important reading-between-the-lines here that needed to be done, guys. What he's saying is this is all arising from centuries of institutionalized racism, that minorities are treated much more harshly in the criminal justice system and that younger people in these impoverished areas can't even get out because they're frequently stuck in a revolving door of criminal justice.

He's saying these aren't problems unique to Ferguson PD, and that this racism is a viewpoint shared across the nation through all stages of life. He's also saying he's been trying to combat this since before he was president.

He also said in his prepared statement that he has to speak the way he's speaking about this because there's still an ongoing federal investigation of this and his statements would be seen as forcing the DoJ's hand one way or another.

I don't think he rambled, and I don't think he said "a whole bunch of nothing". He had some pretty strong ideas, just worded them in a way for the typical Fox News viewer to not understand them so easily.
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Pretty much. People expecting Obama to come right out and say "America was built on racist and is ran by them" are delusional as fuck. He's going to tiptoe and make vague statements at best.
 
I've not said anything here but have been following the entire time. Obama addressing the racial problems that we as a black community face (no matter how light he has to be about it) is so amazing to me.
 
onadesertedisland said:
He has no risk for appealing to the public. Shame congress. Get on TV and blast them, both D and R's. It's like he wants to make friends and not piss anyone off.
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Dude he's done that, where have you been? He did that after sandy hook when a whole bunch of white kids were killed. Republicans don't give a fuck. They will gladly see this country crash and burn as long as Obama fails. There is no reasoning with them.
 
Nokagi said:
Ah thank you guys I haven't seen this before. I do hear the one guy saying he came back towards the cop.. so strange... I can fathom why on earth he would ever do that.
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He could easily just have meant that Mike turned around to face the cop. If you listen to the other guy talking, it sounds like he's trying to answer "why is his body facing the cop if he was running away?" or some such question.
 
SummitAve said:
Yeah, it's unfortunate he's not making bold statements based on his own investigation that hasn't been completed yet.
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What the fuck are you talking about? The police response to this incident since before it happened has been completely ridiculous. I didn't even assert he needed to make a statement on the incomplete DoJ investigation.

Wynnebeck said:
Let's get real though. A black president making possibly racially charged comments (even though they wouldn't be wrong) in a press conference to the media? The racist right-wing portion of America's collective head would spin so quickly, you'd think it was The Exorcist all over again.
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I know, that's why I said I understand. But just because I understand doesn't mean I need to cosign on it. We keep going back to molotovs and rioting as if that's what's been happening every night and dominating the structure of the story. I'm not okay with that.
 
PhoenixDark said:
Interesting tight rope performance by Obama there, blatantly insinuating the criminal justice system isn't fair without outright saying it. If you're expecting him or any president to definitively state that the system is inherently racist you're going to be disappointing, but this is the second time I've seen Obama come close to saying it.

I have full confidence in Eric Holder on this matter so it's hard to complain overall.
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Seriosly. Obama does not want or need a fight with the Police Lobby right now
 
block tower said:
im certainly not buying Wilson was in a positive minset. you dont let of six shots at another unarmed human being without some amount of anger. that six shots, thats a decent amount of bullets intended for one human being. Wilson had to be pissed in some capacity .
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This is something I was wondering about today as well. A lot of noise has been made about Mike Brown's assumed state of mind, and how it makes him going into beast mode and charging a cop who was shooting at him probable; what about Wilson? How were things going at work? At home?

I don't generally support an invasion of privacy of the kind represented by such inquiries, but we're talking about someone who killed another person here.
 
Sit in downtown at governors office:

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EatinOlives said:
There was some important reading-between-the-lines here that needed to be done, guys. What he's saying is this is all arising from centuries of institutionalized racism, that minorities are treated much more harshly in the criminal justice system and that younger people in these impoverished areas can't even get out because they're frequently stuck in a revolving door of criminal justice.

He's saying these aren't problems unique to Ferguson PD, and that this racism is a viewpoint shared across the nation through all stages of life. He's also saying he's been trying to combat this since before he was president.

He also said in his prepared statement that he has to speak the way he's speaking about this because there's still an ongoing federal investigation of this and his statements would be seen as forcing the DoJ's hand one way or another.

I don't think he rambled, and I don't think he said "a whole bunch of nothing". He had some pretty strong ideas, just worded them in a way for the typical Fox News viewer to not understand them so easily.

EDIT: With what he said today I don't think there's any chance that there'll be foul play in the DoJ investigation. I don't think he'd let it happen.
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Yep:

Obama said:
So, let me close just saying a few words about the tensions there. We have all seen images of protesters and law enforcement in the streets. It’s clear that the vast majority of people are peacefully protesting. What’s also clear is that a small minority of individuals are not.

While I understand the passions and the anger that arise over the death of Michael Brown, giving into that anger by looting or carrying guns, and even attacking the police only serves to raise tensions and stir chaos. It undermines rather than advancing justice.

Let me also be clear that our constitutional rights to speak freely, to assemble, and to report in the press must be vigilantly safeguarded: especially in moments like these. There’s no excuse for excessive force by police or any action that denies people the right to protest peacefully.

Ours is a nation of laws: of citizens who live under them and for the citizens who enforce them. So, to a community in Ferguson that is rightly hurting and looking for answers, let me call once again for us to seek some understanding rather than simply holler at each other. Let’s seek to heal rather than to wound each other.

As Americans, we’ve got to use this moment to seek out our shared humanity that’s been laid bare by this moment. The potential of a young man and the sorrows of parents, the frustrations of a community, the ideals that we hold as one united American family.

I’ve said this before. In too many communities around the country, a gulf of mistrust exists between local residents and law enforcement. In too many communities, too many young men of color are left behind and seen only as objects of fear. And through initiatives like My Brother’s Keeper, I’m personally committed to changing both perception and reality. And already, we’re making some significant progress, as people of good will of all races are ready to chip in. But that requires that we build, and not tear down. And that requires we listen, and not just shout. That’s how we’re going to move forward together -- by trying to unite each other and understand each other, and not simply divide ourselves from one another. We’re going to have to hold tight to those values in the days ahead. And that’s how we bring about justice, and that’s how we bring about peace.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...29d07a-2713-11e4-86ca-6f03cbd15c1a_story.html
 
Abelian75 said:
He could easily just have meant that Mike turned around to face the cop. If you listen to the other guy talking, it sounds like he's trying to answer "why is his body facing the cop if he was running away?" or some such question.
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Opps I meant to say I can't fathom why he would do that. I suck at typing. But yeah you are right it could just mean he turned around to face him. I dunno. Not sure how they would use that in a trial.
 
Fiction said:
I don't know that that has been confirmed at all, though. Were any officers actually shot? I know there are reports of civilians shot but I am not sure that has been confirmed either. Some journalists are saying the saw fireworks, some are saying they heard live rounds. How is that downplaying anything?
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Did any footage of the molotov cocktails actually come up? I mean, we heard the shooting and stuff being fired off, although it's hard to tell who fired what off at who. And someone got hit. But I hadn't seen any evidence of molotovs yet. Only the word of the police.
 
Fiction said:
I don't know that that has been confirmed at all, though. Were any officers actually shot? I know there are reports of civilians shot but I am not sure that has been confirmed either. Some journalists are saying the saw fireworks, some are saying they heard live rounds. How is that downplaying anything?
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A woman was taken to the hospital from gunshot wounds.

I had friends there last night that heard gunshots and ran. Multiple accounts from cops of gunshots and bricks and Molotovs.

Cops are not just making shit up. There was multiple fires and looting going on last night. A group tried to overrun the command center.

You can ignore this shit if you want but its happening.
 
jim-jam bongs said:
This is something I was wondering about today as well. A lot of noise has been made about Mike Brown's assumed state of mind, and how it makes him going into beast mode and charging a cop who was shooting at him probable; what about Wilson? How were things going at work? At home?

I don't generally support an invasion of privacy of the kind represented by such inquiries, but we're talking about someone who killed another person here.
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forget home life, all you need is tge fact that he fires six shots. as someone who owns a gun for self defense reasons, even if i used my gun on a would be attacker, i can't imagine having to fire off six shots. that to me is overkill. he struck Brown in the lower arm and upper arm before shooting him in the head. those two shots to Browns arms would've been enough to stop him from being a threat. so the idea that six shots is "reasonable" is fairly ridiculous. so going off the idea that Wilson shot Brown twice in the arm and proceeded to shot four more times at Brown makes me think it was because Wilson was angered.
 
TheFatOne said:
I have zero interest in Obama once again say nothing. It would be a great platform to talk about the institutionalized racism in the justice system or the militarization of the police. Instead he will say nothing of substance.
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So about this.....
 
EatinOlives said:
There was some important reading-between-the-lines here that needed to be done, guys. What he's saying is this is all arising from centuries of institutionalized racism, that minorities are treated much more harshly in the criminal justice system and that younger people in these impoverished areas can't even get out because they're frequently stuck in a revolving door of criminal justice.

He's saying these aren't problems unique to Ferguson PD, and that this racism is a viewpoint shared across the nation through all stages of life. He's also saying he's been trying to combat this since before he was president.

He also said in his prepared statement that he has to speak the way he's speaking about this because there's still an ongoing federal investigation of this and his statements would be seen as forcing the DoJ's hand one way or another.

I don't think he rambled, and I don't think he said "a whole bunch of nothing". He had some pretty strong ideas, just worded them in a way for the typical Fox News viewer to not understand them so easily.

EDIT: With what he said today I don't think there's any chance that there'll be foul play in the DoJ investigation. I don't think he'd let it happen.
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Thanks for this. I missed the conference but it looks like he actually addressed the problems the only way he can.
 
Brolic Gaoler said:
And it's easier to fear them more when you have.
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*sigh* you do seem to spend much of this thread clinging to any straw that defends the police's actions.

Claiming the guy who was photographed with all those police pointing assault rifles at him did it deliberately for a photo op

Brolic Gaoler said:
Applaud what? Intentionally agitating an already on edge police force?
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Brolic Gaoler said:
I think from what we can see he walked up to get a response and get pictures taken. Do I know that? No. Do I think it's a good possibility? Yep.
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Claiming you don't blame the residents' when police started gassing their front yards but....

Brolic Gaoler said:
I'm not defending dispersing people from their own yards, no. I'm point out what should be obvious, actions have consequences.
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Claiming it's the protesters' fault for being gassed en masse as by staying close to agitators (in a street sealed off by the police?) they become complicit

Brolic Gaoler said:
If someone is attacking from inside a group the group becomes complicit if they remain with that person.
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You also happen to post a lot of things that you personally think are bullshit, but are "interesting" and just happen to all read like a Tea Partier's fever dream.
 
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