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Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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depths20XX said:
Eh, figured it wasn't the actual owner. "They burnt down my business but I totally understand" No one would fucking say that.

Nice message anyways.
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No it isn't. Trying to absolve the responsibility of an individual or individuals and passing the buck to a race is disgusting and racist.
 
DreamDrop said:
His daddy was a cop killed by a black man. Yeah. Anyone still think there's a chance of a conviction?
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Never thought that to begin with, but yeah. When I found out about this today, it made me realize that all the outrage and the protests are probably a waste of time.

This man is going to walk, I am going to throw up, the world will keep turning, and the sickness in this country will continue. Business as usual.
 
 
BronsonLee said:
Because he's a fucking idiot
Because he wants to torpedo the case
Because he doesn't want an indictment
Maybe it's Maybelline?

But yeah I don't think that's what is being presented...
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It can't be what the prosecution presents. There wouldn't be a trial if that was their argument!

DreamDrop said:
His daddy was a cop killed by a black man. Yeah. Anyone still think there's a chance of a conviction?
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Of course there's a chance for conviction.
 
Chumly said:
Sworn testimonies and the fact you don't have to reveal their information? Plus you don't have to reveal specifics. I guess I don't know how that would ruin the investigation.

Anyways somebody would have came forward by now.
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Well it looks like all these eyewitnesses telling their story is just giving the defense time to come up with excuses explaining away all their discrepancies. People talking are making it easier for Wilson's team to argue his innocence.
 
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FamousLastX said:
Definitely calmer right now. Hoping that it can stay that way. There hasn't been an overly aggressive police showing yet tonight though, which goes a really long way.
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Yep, it's the police that are calm now. No "YOU MAY BE SUBJECT TO ARREST" City 17 shit, no imposing tactical vehicles, no overly aggressive behavior to intimidate/goad the protesters.

I know that there was live ammo from the protesters, but watching the livestream last night since the very beginning it's my firm opinion that it was the police at fault for making everything as tense as it was in the first place.
 
 
 
Little bit of a scuffle broke out in a parking lot between protestors, looking like a few arrests. Broken up quickly and seemed to be handled well though. Just shown on MSNBC.
 
Timedog said:
If this is the story they actually give then it's quite obviously bullshit and fake, and the officer needs to be in prison for murder. We'll see.
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i support vigilante justice if thats the account the police go with to the grand jury. release the officer's address and allow the people of Ferguson to find their own justice for Mike Brown.
 
Chie Satonaka said:
Never thought that to begin with, but yeah. When I found out about this today, it made me realize that all the outrage and the protests are probably a waste of time.

This man is going to walk, I am going to throw up, the world will keep turning, and the sickness in this country will continue. Business as usual.
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When I watch videos on animals trying to survive in the animal kingdom, I ask myself: What makes our society any different? No fairness, no justice, no meaning, only survival. We can try to give our lives meaning and we can tell ourselves that everything will be okay. But it seems like the chips fall as they may and people get screwed and life goes on. Things happen to people that just isn't right and many times no justice is served. No fairness is established. It's depressing as hell to think about.
 
KHarvey16 said:
It can't be what the prosecution presents. There wouldn't be a trial if that was their argument!
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Pretty much. I sincerely doubt they got that right. And Wilson and co don't get to present their stuff anyways, do they? I thought it's just prosecution then.

block tower said:
i support vigilante justice if thats the account the police go with to the grand jury. release the officer's address and allow the people of Ferguson to find their own justice for Mike Brown.
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I don't see any spot where that's what they present. I'm also really not keen on vigilante justice at all.
 
DECK'ARD said:
Who is this Shaun King? Because he's been way off before now, like claiming the autopsy showed he was executed at close range with a gun to the head.
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Yeah I can't find anything about him besides what seems like a wedding photographer's website based in Los Angeles.
 
Big Baybee said:
wow
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Was Wilson's sidearm in a hip holster while he was driving? Was he right handed? Was his gun holstered on his right hand hip?

Think about the mechanics, physics and body movement involved in reaching though an open car window,

And also, forget that practicality of doing that. And go back to the "why" of it.

Even in the worst case scenario the PD is trying to infer - that Brown thought the cop knew he'd been in a mild altercation in a convenience store - that's how the convenience store has repeatedly defined the scenario (questions still remain about that - did he pay, didn't he pay, why was there a ruckus about the cigars themselves etc etc etc). Even in the WORST case....


Why would he reach for the gun? The PD may be trying to paint it as a felony, but even if an illegal action had taken place earlier in the day, why would he reach for the cop's gun? That is fucking CRAZY. Reaching for a cop's gun is genuinely crazy. Like suicidal/homiidal. No other way to think about that action. The peak of your escalation path.

I could imagine a teenage asshole sassing a cop easily.
I could imagine an argument get heated and get to a punching or shoving stage.
I could imagine all sorts of escalation scenarios EVENTUALLY leading to shots fired.

But this is being painted as the IMMEDIATE reaction from Brown - a dude we saw earlier in the day resort to a simple shove, didn't even ball a fist.
 
RyanDG said:
Why are we assuming that because his father was killed by a black man that McCulloch is incapable of performing his duties as the prosecuting attorney?
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It's better to not have the shadow of bias over you I'm a case like this. It may not effect his ability, but it WILL raise the question
 
 
As time goes by this seems to be less about the Mike Brown incident and more about the treatment of blacks and other minorities by the police/government.

Even if the Brown case gets royally fucked up (probable), hopefully this leads to better treatment of human beings by the authority figures in America.
 
RyanDG said:
Why are we assuming that because his father was killed by a black man that McCulloch is incapable of performing his duties as the prosecuting attorney?
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Conflict of interest is one of those "better safe than sorry" things in pretty much every single career there is.

And even the suggestion of one kills credibility.
 
BronsonLee said:
WHEN IT REIGNS IT POURS

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Stinkles said:
Why would he reach for the gun? The PD may be trying to paint it as a felony, but even if an illegal action had taken place earlier in the day, why would he reach for the cop's gun? That is fucking CRAZY. Reaching for a cop's gun is genuinely crazy. Like suicidal/homiidal. No other way to think about that action. The peak of your escalation path.
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This just reminds me of the clip of Kenny Rogers' Jackass where Kenny steals a gun to shoot himself in the foot with it

captive said:
I couldn't imagine why...
C'mon man, you're smarting than this.
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If they torpedoed it that badly, it would not end well for them.

Punchy4486 said:
Don't worry, the prosocuter has offered Wilson the chance to appear before the Grand Jury.
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...Wait, what?
 
Nanashrew said:
3. They are saying that Mike Brown then stepped back (I'm not joking here) and did an "MMA Superman punch" at the cop through the window.
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5. Then, Mike Brown ran a long way away, talked trash, the officer pointed his gun at him, and that Mike then ran FULL speed @ him. Got shot
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What the fuck am I reading. Do they actually expect anyone to believe this shit? I mean, I know we joke about them characterizing black men as superhuman but this is...beyond, even my most unreasonable expectations of them.

I don't mean to use these to trivialize the situation, only to point out the ridiculousness of the claims
 
DECK'ARD said:
Who is this Shaun King? Because he's been way off before now, like claiming the autopsy showed he was executed at close range with a gun to the head.
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Really? I hadn't known that. I keep seeing him talking about a lot of things in Ferguson and even talking with people who are there. He has been pretty on point with a lot of stuff I've been reading from him.
 
KHarvey16 said:
It can't be what the prosecution presents. There wouldn't be a trial if that was their argument!



Of course there's a chance for conviction.
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Yea the prosecution wouldn't even bring it to a grand jury. Those tweets are about as true as the one that claims police have a dozen witnesses to back them up.
 
 
DreamDrop said:
Aye, that's the rub.
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captive said:
I couldn't imagine why...
C'mon man, you're smarting than this.
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Why are we even accepting this guys tweets as evidence of anything, by the way? How can he possibly know what the prosecution is going to present as their case? And again, saying the prosecution will present a case that precludes a trial in the first place is...dumb. He just sounds like he doesn't know what he's talking about.
 
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