Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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ramuh said:
You have offered exactly ZERO insight so I'm done talking with you and your one-liners.
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because all it took was me asking you to have empathy for someone else, someone different from you, you refused, signaling it was a waste of time and a mistake on my part to even try.

sorry to almost everyone else.
 
What stream are you all watching which has Tim? Isn't his still down?

I swear the guy has had technical issues every night. Bad Cables, bad batteries, bad camera....
 
jhmtehgamr20xx said:
But they're both racial slurs. The history matters but only up to a point; they're both meant to demean and dehumanize the people they're used against.

We can't be picky and start saying some slurs are okay while others should be banned, because that can come off as saying "well, your (insert group name) feelings being hurt isn't as much of a concern as their feelings being hurt", or to a more extreme example "we think you can handle being called a slur but we don't think they (insert group name) are strong enough to handle being called one". Both ways are pretty messed up.

It's a good thing to understand the history behind them but for the sake of trying a clean sweep away with racism, it would be a good idea to acknowledge that all slurs are bad and on an individual level a slur can (and likely will) affect two different people who otherwise are members of the same group, quite differently, although depending on other factors the degrees in separation of those differing responses (if just randomly looking from responses from people of that group) will differ greatly.

EDIT: I am sure that for the people who use "cracker" as a racial slur it absolutely does mean something to them. Different words have different weights in differing power structures, but any power structure is a power structure, no matter how it fares relative to another one.
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I was under the impression that cracker referred to a whip cracker, ie: slave owner.
 
Yo. Dude on the Ustream is amazing. He's calling out the media for backing away. "They tell you to leave so they can go fuck up the protesters!"
 
ramuh said:
So you are excusing a racial group using racial terms in a negative way against another race as "reactionary"? Are you trying to excuse it??? That is stupid. isms occurs no matter your creed/nationality/race. If you think for one minute that the fact I was berated in racial terms is somehow linked to the fact that another racial element in our society was brutalized and had much racism directed against them you are DEAD wrong.

You need to understand I am not taking away from what happened here and i agree with the mostly peaceful protesters. I wouldn't stand for it, I glad they are not. But don't trivialize my racial experiences because of the color of my skin.
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I'm not saying what they did was right I am saying that your personal experience over six years is not the same as the extremely damaging effects racism has on People of Colour over god knows how long. Racist terms are used to remind them of that damage. It's not even remotely the same. Did it hurt? Surely, it always hurts when people don't like you. Is it the same? Not remotely.
 
Vice can't afford to give their reporters 15 batteries to use. This is what they do. I thought Vice went everywhere. How do you run out of batteries?
 
Different people react differently to certain words. While one person may say they laugh at being called a 'cracker', I can totally understand another getting upset by it. I am not going to sit here and pretend I know how or why it upsets them, but if it does, I will respect that. Different people take offense to different things. White people being offended by the word 'cracker' and the word 'nigger' having a terrible history/being more impactful aren't mutually exclusive.
 
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Jakten said:
I'm not saying what they did was right I am saying that your personal experience over six years is not the same as the extremely damaging effects racism has on People of Colour over god knows how long. Racist terms are used to remind them of that damage. It's not even remotely the same. Did it hurt? Surely, it always hurts when people don't like you. Is it the same? Not remotely.
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Unless you've lived through all that history, it is the same damn thing. Pretending that it isn't to justify your own casual racism and dismissal of others is a bloody travesty that perpetuates racial divides.
 
jhmtehgamr20xx said:
But they're both racial slurs. The history matters but only up to a point; they're both meant to demean and dehumanize the people they're used against.

We can't be picky and start saying some slurs are okay while others should be banned, because that can come off as saying "well, your (insert group name) feelings being hurt isn't as much of a concern as their feelings being hurt", or to a more extreme example "we think you can handle being called a slur but we don't think they (insert group name) are strong enough to handle being called one". Both ways are pretty messed up.

It's a good thing to understand the history behind them but for the sake of trying a clean sweep away with racism, it would be a good idea to acknowledge that all slurs are bad and on an individual level a slur can (and likely will) affect two different people who otherwise are members of the same group, quite differently, although depending on other factors the degrees in separation of those differing responses (if just randomly looking from responses from people of that group) will differ greatly.

EDIT: I am sure that for the people who use "cracker" as a racial slur it absolutely does mean something to them. Different words have different weights in differing power structures, but any power structure is a power structure, no matter how it fares relative to another one.
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This is white privilege.
 
Was that dude on CNN trying to charge the police? People having to hold him back.

edit: Yep this guy is going off on the police, people holding him back.
 
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