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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 12: Gwah, hah. Welcome to the Bowser's game.
- Thread starter IntelliHeath
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This leak is so delicate it's crazy. There's a stage list and everything. I was soooo confident this leak wouldn't last more than a few hours but here we are, Smash Run pic.
I'm a firm believer that it's fake as hell for millions of reasons. The thing about Ness's t-shirt and Mr. Game & Watch's outline are the biggest ones to me, as stupid as it sounds. Also because Ganondorf's icon looks like total garbage.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Locking five characters off as Amiibo's (especially when the 3DS version apparently doesn't use the system at all) would be far more insane than just locking some characters off as DLC.
I'll do a month. I don't want to prevent someone partaking in future bets.
Still, you control only one so it can still make sense. Also wasn't it said that this leak is meant to be from the American version?
OricWindstar
Member
Well, if 1) we assume this is real (i don't think it is anymore but i keep swapping between sides on that) and 2) we assume the Gematsu leak is real, then
-Lucas was intended to be in the game, but couldn't be finished in time.
-Chorus Men also were, but somehow became DLC. Were they not finished either?
-Snake's a good pull, I could see saving him for DLC
-No idea why Wolf or Ice Climbers are DLC.
Exactly what I was thinking.
We only need one character reveal to consider this real or utter shit.
OricWindstar
Member
Whatever the final roster may be, Sakurai better go into depth about why certain characters were included/excluded.
I was kind of working under the assumption Nintendo would want to maximize their profit margin. Free DLC would just be leaving money on the table no?
I was kind of working under the assumption Nintendo would want to maximize their profit margin. Free DLC would just be leaving money on the table no?
DICKS AHOY
Banned
They could always have those remaining five in the Wii U game from the start, and have them as DLC you get for free on the 3DS version if you own the Wii U version as well.
OricWindstar
Member
Perhaps. They've done paid DLC, but there's not enough history of nintendo online to really see a long term pattern.
greycolumbus
The success of others absolutely infuriates me.
I'm going all in on #TeamReal and here's my reasoning. Keep in mind I WANT this to be fake, but #TeamReal has a lot backing it up.
+The models. No matter what you believe, you have to admit these models are amazing. The Duck Hunt one especially. Every character, including vets, has a completely new model that has not been 1:1 disproven with a piece of existing art that is all over the net. The quality of these are quite amazing and if they fake, I just have to applaud someone's incredible modeling skills.
+Box clipping on stage select: The cursor is over that box, which I believe would enlarge it, hence the clipping. A sensible thing to do on the 3DS' small screen.
+Stages. Some people are disappointed with the number of stages, but 35ish is a good number and it was kind of obvious that there wouldn't be so many stages since they are split among versions.
Neutral points:
+/-Thicknessgate. Perhaps the hand is over that character, which makes it pulsate. Or the design was changed in the final game to have the outside boxes have larger gaps for whatever reason, but this point is hard to verify. Also if the pic was fake and he was just copy pasting boxes, why didn't he just copy a CPU box instead of the P1 box?
+/-Clone grouping. On one hand it makes sense because they are clones, but on the other hand, why not just put them with their franchise? Perhaps that messes up the boxes and causes some franchises to be split between rows.
Some points against:
-Yoshi split. People are saying "why is Rosalina separated?". Nintendo just may be including Yoshi as a Mario character despite the fact the he has his own franchise. However, Yoshi has his own icon while Rosalina uses the Mushroom symbol from the Mario franchise. Bowser also shares this symbol, so why would BJr. have a different one?
-Shulk's placement. Why not put Shulk before the clones with the other single rep characters (Olimar, WFT) instead of next to the third party characters? Each row has 9 fighters, except for the last two which have 8 and four. Why not move Shulk up so they all have 9 characters and then the three third party characters and perhaps the Mii box?
I don't like the leak due to the clones, but I might be swayed if they could fit one more good character in there (Mii plus a new character would mean an even 50).
Also is the DLC post from the same person or just someone pretending to be him? I doubt Sakurai would make FIVE DLC characters.
+The models. No matter what you believe, you have to admit these models are amazing. The Duck Hunt one especially. Every character, including vets, has a completely new model that has not been 1:1 disproven with a piece of existing art that is all over the net. The quality of these are quite amazing and if they fake, I just have to applaud someone's incredible modeling skills.
+Box clipping on stage select: The cursor is over that box, which I believe would enlarge it, hence the clipping. A sensible thing to do on the 3DS' small screen.
+Stages. Some people are disappointed with the number of stages, but 35ish is a good number and it was kind of obvious that there wouldn't be so many stages since they are split among versions.
Neutral points:
+/-Thicknessgate. Perhaps the hand is over that character, which makes it pulsate. Or the design was changed in the final game to have the outside boxes have larger gaps for whatever reason, but this point is hard to verify. Also if the pic was fake and he was just copy pasting boxes, why didn't he just copy a CPU box instead of the P1 box?
+/-Clone grouping. On one hand it makes sense because they are clones, but on the other hand, why not just put them with their franchise? Perhaps that messes up the boxes and causes some franchises to be split between rows.
Some points against:
-Yoshi split. People are saying "why is Rosalina separated?". Nintendo just may be including Yoshi as a Mario character despite the fact the he has his own franchise. However, Yoshi has his own icon while Rosalina uses the Mushroom symbol from the Mario franchise. Bowser also shares this symbol, so why would BJr. have a different one?
-Shulk's placement. Why not put Shulk before the clones with the other single rep characters (Olimar, WFT) instead of next to the third party characters? Each row has 9 fighters, except for the last two which have 8 and four. Why not move Shulk up so they all have 9 characters and then the three third party characters and perhaps the Mii box?
I don't like the leak due to the clones, but I might be swayed if they could fit one more good character in there (Mii plus a new character would mean an even 50).
Also is the DLC post from the same person or just someone pretending to be him? I doubt Sakurai would make FIVE DLC characters.
CrazedProfessional
Member
The 3DS is getting an Amiibo podium thingy.
Mr. Smiley
Member
Ganondorf and Bowser Jr. look like they could easily have been done by just slapping some models into Source Filmmaker.
Duck Hunt Dog does indeed look spiffy as hell but it's not the first really slick fan render to come out.
Captain Europe
Member
I'm really hoping it's fake, because that stage selection screen is like 50% returning stages.
Loving this development
OricWindstar
Member
Guys, there's no way the leaker add the thick lines if it was awake, is there? How would you notice that? I'm definitely sticking to #TeamReal, with a sub team of #TeamThickLineIsFine.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Well after the 3DS version comes out, of which they haven't made any mention of any Amiibo support.
It's also still dumb to lock characters off to 10/15 dollar toys each for a fighting game. There'd be a massive shit storm over something like that.
OricWindstar
Member
Dagobert Duck
Member
I would have said TeamFake but Snake as DLC makes this kinda believable...Sakurai wouldnt cut Snake, he is so out of place in that series that he has to be in it 
CrazedProfessional
Member
The fake leaker went to E3 and played it himself?
I think the DLC characters will be revealed during the lead-up to the WiiU version, then made available for both versions not long after the WiiU version comes out. Snake and company will keep the hype going -- and people tuning into PotD -- after the 3DS version but before the WiiU version comes out.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Sakurai should really save us the despair.
SuperAngelo64
Banned
I was on teamfake initially, but as more info came and Captain Morgan whispered in my ear I'm moving to teamreal! Avatar bets and all! Fuck it! Lets do this!
civilstrife
Member
Yup. Either it's an unbelievably competent fake, or it's real.
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What? Civilstrife is evolving!
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Civilstrife has joined #teamreal!
Civilstrife wants to learn HYPE but he already knows 4 moves!
Delete a move to make room for HYPE?
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CIvilstrife has forgotten HEALTHY SKEPTICISM and has learned HYPE!
Dagobert Duck
Member
That makes so much sense. The characters will be included in both versions but will be available on 3DS after the Wii U release...think about just playing some Smash and all of a sudden...Kept you waiting, huh? :-D
If time/resources are the issue, why would Lucas get moved to DLC over like Bowser Jr.? I guess I'm working under the assumption that you want DLC to be an enticing as possible as it doesn't have a 100% attach rate and newcomers or OLD veterans would be more attractive.
Mysterious
Banned
Someone should make a new thread for NEW NEWS OMG
Why the fuck would Ice Climbers be DLC? I can't see the rationale behind that. And lol Snake.
I do want this leak to be true, but only if that's not the full roster. Lucas, Wolf, and Ice Climbers need to come back, we need a Rhythm Heaven rep, and if fucking Dr. Mario can come back then Mewtwo damn well be coming back too. Then it would be the perfect roster.
I do want this leak to be true, but only if that's not the full roster. Lucas, Wolf, and Ice Climbers need to come back, we need a Rhythm Heaven rep, and if fucking Dr. Mario can come back then Mewtwo damn well be coming back too. Then it would be the perfect roster.
OricWindstar
Member
We can be friends now because of this post.
Dimitri LH
Member
GRRRR I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!
*joins #teamreal*
*joins #teamreal*
It'd seem like an odd use of resources, however, Lucas was the only character the Gematsu leaker explicitly said was possibly getting cut because they didn't think they could finish him. So it seems plausable that Lucas would be moved to DLC because they couldn't finish him in time.
Red Arremer
Member
Ok so can anyone link me to that leak we're discussing about #TeamReal/#TeamFake about? There's been like 5 of them here.
