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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread XIII: Leak Dynasty

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I'm just imagining the reveal trailer now.

It shows off Ganondorf in an epic showdown, we all assume he's facing off against some newcomer, and eagerly anticipating the camera to pan around and show us.
He closes in for a punch, and connects with... Falco?!
Falco recovers, and gets Ganondorf with a good 1-2 hit.
Ganon is mad, he raises his hand and his triforce glows, and suddenly he transforms...
GANON POWERS IN

Nah, it'll start off with Link running through Ganon's Castle from OoT, he reaches the top floor and the camera pans to show Ganondorf waiting with his sword. "GANONDORF, THE PRINCE OF DARKNESS"
But as soon as he raises his sword a vortex appears from beneath him and Demise rises up, swatting Ganondork away as the banner changes to "DEMISE, THE KING OF EVIL POWERS IN" and he and Link fight while Ganondorf "SITS ON THE SIDELINES" next to Ghirahim and Midna.


Tomorrow we will have a veteran

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For tomorrow's PotD a Wii U stage would be the best since it's new info but has no impact on the leak.

That or a game mode.
 
I'm on team Neutral. The Shulk model in the gameplay shots looks like ass though and using his fist to fight don't make any sense at all.
 
So whilst I was in the shower I came up with a (I think pretty great) idea for a pseudo-clone Dr. Mario moveset:

-Keep all his normals exactly the same, except with some jiggery pokery on particle effects, damage values, knock back values and hitboxes with a few unique animations.

-Down B: Mario Tornado, multihit move like the mario of old.

-Up-B: Charge punch, hold B to charge a super jump punch, at full charge it goes further than Marios but the attack is much weaker except from a hitbox in the last few frames that does decent knockback/damage.

-Neutral-B: Pill, mario throws a pill much like normal Mario's fireballs, except they have lower gravity so they bounce higher and fall slower, damage is less than mario's fireballs but the have higher hitstun.

-Side B: Virus, when you use this move, Dr. Mario places a virus on the stage, only one can be in play at any time and they cycle through in the order; Fever (red), Weird (yellow) and Chill (blue).

Once placed, a virus isn't affected by gravity and they can't move, they only have three animations, the idle animation is the little dance they do, after 15 seconds they fall over and pop and whenever dr. mario taunts, it will laugh.

Each virus has a different effect to any opponent within maybe bowsers width away from them, Fever does fire damage every few ticks (no hitstun), Chill slows movement and attack speed and Weird reverse controls.

They don't take knockback from enemy players but they can be attacked and destroyed after taking around 20% of damage.

The other thing they do is based on Dr. Mario's neutral, the pill throw.

Normally, Dr. Mario's pills are seemingly random, but if you press your side-B whilst a virus is in play, mario will strike a little pose where he holds the next pill up in his right hand and winks or something, like this:
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But with his legs being different depending if he is on the ground or in the air, basically, you use it so you have a good idea of what the next that you'll throw is.

The main reason for this is back to the viruses, when you throw a pill at a virus, it either does a tiny explosion, a small elemental explosion, or a large elemental explosion.


For example, if you hit a Chill virus with a red + yellow pill, it destroys the virus and does a small amount of damage with little knockback, you hit it with a blue + red or a blue + yellow pill and it does a slightly bigger explosion with increased damage and it freezes the other player and hitting it with a double blue pill increases the radius to about bob-omb size with more damage still and freezing (talking 5/7/10% damage here for each tier, not massive amounts).

Chill would freeze but have lower damage explosions, Weird would electrocute and have high stun explosions and Fever would have high damage explosions.


Or something like that, the idea sounded really fun in my head and a great way to make the character more "Dr. Mario"-y
 
maaaaaaaaaaaannnnnn fuck this

well, I guess an SS Assist Trophy was inevitable anyway, and at least he's not Fi.

also ahahahahahahahah trophy theory ahahahahahahahahahahaha

Hahahahaha you forget all about Impa! :P

I don't really care about trophy theory but don't be overconfident if there are other choices. It could be Demise since Ganondorf don't have its second like Zelda and Link did.
 
I'm on team Neutral. The Shulk model in the gameplay shots looks like ass though and using his fist to fight don't make any sense at all.

Those "in-game" shots are pretty much unanimously assumed to be fake. They also aren't part of the initial leak, they piggybacked off it hours later.
 
Distressing, but expected.

There's only two or three characters I want that could conceivably get in now.

While there's a good selection of newcomers, I only have two that I'm really personally excited for so far. I'm becoming somewhat concerned that there may be nothing else for me on that front.
 
Are we expecting them to put out another Smash Bros Direct sometime soon? The Japanese Release date is only a few weeks away and leaks are just going to keep flooding in at this rate. I doubt they would want a major character reveal to be undeniably leaked beforehand.
 
Distressing, but expected.

There's only two or three characters I want that could conceivably get in now.

While there's a good selection of newcomers, I only have two that I'm really personally excited for so far. I'm becoming somewhat concerned that there may be nothing else for me.

What about Ridley?

Anyway, if anything happens with Smash 4 from this point on, I just hope that

1. Gematsu is true
2. Duck Hunt leak is true
3. Ridley is playable

Because then a lot of people eat a lot of crow. (Mostly for Gematsu and Ridley, I don't expect Duck Hunt deniers to eat crow)
 
Are we expecting them to put out another Smash Bros Direct sometime soon? The Japanese Release date is only a few weeks away and leaks are just going to keep flooding in at this rate. I doubt they would want a major character reveal to be undeniably leaked beforehand.

Mario Kart 8 had its Direct one month before release, but they were pretty much revealing everything for that game so the policy on keeping secrets was different.

But yeah, I expect one soon.
 
I am disappointed.

I feel your pain brother.

Are we expecting them to put out another Smash Bros Direct sometime soon? The Japanese Release date is only a few weeks away and leaks are just going to keep flooding in at this rate. I doubt they would want a major character reveal to be undeniably leaked beforehand.

There is an 85% chance that we will see a direct or character reveal within the next 3 weeks.

What about Ridley?

He's up in the air, but I'm fully prepared for a stage boss reveal.
 
What about Ridley?

Anyway, if anything happens with Smash 4 from this point on, I just hope that

1. Gematsu is true
2. Duck Hunt leak is true
3. Ridley is playable

How can they all be true?
Gematsu leak says Chorus Kids are playable and DLC was being considered whereas Duck Hunt leak says Chorus Kids are DLC. They hint towards different fates for the same character.
 
How can they all be true?
Gematsu leak says Chorus Kids are playable and DLC was being considered whereas Duck Hunt leak says Chorus Kids are DLC. They hint towards different fates for the same character.

Basically, Gematsu can only be true if we operate on the idea that the leaker had outdated information. As such, it's completely reasonable to assume under those circumstances that Chorus Kids was once a character, but due to time restraints (guessing), they were pushed back to DLC. If the Duck Hunt leak is true, then it makes Gematsu more likely because it

A. Stated that DLC was in, and
B. Stated that Lucas was cut
 
How can they all be true?
Gematsu leak says Chorus Kids are playable and DLC was being considered whereas Duck Hunt leak says Chorus Kids are DLC. They hint towards different fates for the same character.

You can argue both "leaks" claim Chorus Kids are playable. And that's all you need to know.
 
How can they all be true?
Gematsu leak says Chorus Kids are playable and DLC was being considered whereas Duck Hunt leak says Chorus Kids are DLC. They hint towards different fates for the same character.

Chorus kids were originally part of the roster but were leading to complications so got pushed to DLC so as to not delay the game?

Were Chorus kids even in the first gematsu leak? Because that's the only one I sortoff believe.
 
A little disappointing to see Ghirahim down for the count but at least he got in at all. Best major antagonist in the series.

Chorus kids were originally part of the roster but were leading to complications so got pushed to DLC so as to not delay the game?

Were Chorus kids even in the first gematsu leak? Because that's the only one I sortoff believe.

They were part of the second one, with Chrom.
 
How can they all be true?
Gematsu leak says Chorus Kids are playable and DLC was being considered whereas Duck Hunt leak says Chorus Kids are DLC. They hint towards different fates for the same character.

If Chorus Kids are indeed DLC, Gematsu obviously knew something. No way he luckily predicted both Wii Fit Trainer and the Chorus Kids.
Simply things changed during development, hence Chrom declassified to Final Smash and Chorus Kids pushed back to DLC.
I'm not saying that Gematsu was right mind you, I'm just saying that if indeed ends up like in yesterday's leak, he knew something, so they can both end up "right".
 
Yeah, Chrom not being playable basically means the whole leak can never be true, but I was giving them the benefit of the doubt and assumed they meant the rest of the leak.

Well it can be true under the outdated theory. I definitely don't expect people to subscribe to the Gematsu leak in its entirety, but there is still merit to its support. For example, Gematsu leaked the name "Mii Fighters" outside of the original leak.
 
Yeah, Chrom not being playable basically means the whole leak can never be true, but I was giving them the benefit of the doubt and assumed they meant the rest of the leak.

The fact Chrom is used to some degree even as a Final Smash still gives the Gematsu leak merit though.
 
The fact Chrom is used to some degree even as a Final Smash still gives the Gematsu leak merit though.

No, it doesn't.

The only thing outside of the first leak is that he clarified he meant "Mii Fighters" instead of just "Mii", but that's barely anything at all and it's just clarifying something he already leaked, not proving that he has more info after the first leak.
 
No, it doesn't.

The only thing outside of the first leak is that he clarified he meant "Mii Fighters" instead of just "Mii", but that's barely anything at all and it's just clarifying something he already leaked, not proving that he has more info after the first leak.

He also got Palutena right and used Greninja's specific name that was used in development...
 
Can we at least agree that if Chorus Kids and Shulk do appear in the game - as starters, unlockables, or DLC - that Gematsu did have information beyond the initial leak?

Shulk? Personally no, since he's another character who was highly speculated on and the second list sounded like a who's-who of wishlists.

Chorus Kids? Probably.
 
What's associated with which leaker and how can we tell?

There was a post that collected that information in the last thread and I think earlier in this one. The pic that shows Duck Hunt Dog's render up close and the full CSS was from the same person. The stage select as well as screens that show Dr. Mario's full render and Shulk's render with the Press Any Button or w/e are from a second leaker, but they were uploaded almost immediately after the first set on 4chan.

The third set came hours later, and that was the in-game screenshots. Most people have concluded those are definitely fake and just trying to piggyback attention.
 
Can we at least agree that if Chorus Kids and Shulk do appear in the game - as starters, unlockables, or DLC - that Gematsu did have information beyond the initial leak?

I do think it's very possible he did, but Shulk isn't enough imho.
Chrous Kids are, definitely.
Both makes it 100% certain to me. Sakurai probably planned Chrom, then played Awakening and realized there was a better character.
 
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