Ferguson: Police Officer Kills 18yo Michael Brown; Protests/Riots Continue

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dapperbandit said:
Did you guys hear the Support Darren Wilson Crowdfunding campaign on gofundme now has more donations than the Michael Brown Memorial fund on the same site?

Not all, but a lot of the donations on Wilson's page are obvious trolls.
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Would you mind posting some links directly to this information?
 
CrimsonCommie said:
Somebody just asked when will the 1st amendment return to the streets of Florrissant. His answer was it started tonight....
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Time to start filing some 1983 actions with the admission that the police HAD been depriving the people of Ferguson of their first amendment rights.
 
Brawndo Addict said:
Kharvey, we'll just have to agree to disagree, though I think we overlap more than not in total. I don't mean to suggest he was as safe as the people nearby, though I agree I used pretty loose language, but that also doesn't mean I agree the civilians were in an immediate threat of serious bodily harm. They were far away from the actual suspect and the police would have had plenty of time to react had he moved toward them. They certainly didn't seem to think they were in much danger either.

The fact that most incidents are resolved safely is why I feel confident this situation was resolved poorly. The officers made nearly all the wrong choices and created a scenario where they would feel compelled to use deadly force.I don't think the use of deadly force is justified if you create the circumstances when you had multiple opportunities to pursue other actions that would have mitigated or avoided it.
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Not an uncommon problem:

"Officers used deadly force against people who posed a minimal threat, including individuals who posed a threat only to themselves or who were unarmed," the report states. "Officers also used deadly force in situations where the conduct of the officers heightened the danger and contributed to the need to use force."
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Listen, if you don't want people to vote, possibly the ultimate symbol of passion and energy being channelled ineffectually into a byzantine political system that claims to represent interests but is easily swayed by gerrymandering and bullshit, what else exactly do you want them to do?
 
CNN had taken an 'iReport' earlier that claimed Capt. Ron Johnson of the Highway Patrol was throwing gang signs with black youths in the community. I mean, you see two black people in a picture who have their hands in an unknown configuration OBVIOUSLY they're part of a gang right?

As the Washington Post reveals, these 'gang signs' are actually a fraternity hand sign.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ohnson-is-not-a-gang-member-hes-just-a-kappa/

Weren't we debating last thread about why CNN was a shitty network?
 
marrec said:
CNN had taken an 'iReport' earlier that claimed Capt. Ron Johnson of the Highway Patrol was throwing gang signs with black youths in the community. I mean, you see two black people in a picture who have their hands in an unknown configuration OBVIOUSLY they're part of a gang right?

As the Washington Post reveals, these 'gang signs' are actually a fraternity hand sign.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ohnson-is-not-a-gang-member-hes-just-a-kappa/

Weren't we debating last thread about why CNN was a shitty network?
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This is just laughable to me at this point.
 
marrec said:
CNN had taken an 'iReport' earlier that claimed Capt. Ron Johnson of the Highway Patrol was throwing gang signs with black youths in the community. I mean, you see two black people in a picture who have their hands in an unknown configuration OBVIOUSLY they're part of a gang right?

As the Washington Post reveals, these 'gang signs' are actually a fraternity hand sign.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ohnson-is-not-a-gang-member-hes-just-a-kappa/

Weren't we debating last thread about why CNN was a shitty network?
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Yep. Both Ferguson and that first Malaysian flight from months ago taught me that "neutrality" can be just as bad as bias when taken to an extreme.
 
Does anyone believe the "severe beating" story at all?

If the guy was that messed up, why didn't they have a picture of him on the air that evening? It would have diffused a ton of tension to show he was defending himself.

...unless it's BS of course.
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
Does anyone believe the "severe beating" story at all?

If the guy was that messed up, why didn't they have a picture of him on the air that evening? It would have diffused a ton of tension to show he was defending himself.

...unless it's BS of course.
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I believe he got hospitalized for certain, that's easy to check. I don't believe Brown hit him at all. You can wave away no bruises since he died so soon after, but if he beat the shit out of him, his knuckles would be cut and scraped.

There are a few reasons why they wouldn't release it. Ongoing investigation, etc. It's not a good look though.
 
BronsonLee said:
I believe he got hospitalized for certain, that's easy to check. I don't believe Brown hit him at all. You can wave away no bruises since he died so soon after, but if he beat the shit out of him, his knuckles would be cut and scraped.

There are a few reasons why they wouldn't release it. Ongoing investigation, etc. It's not a good look though.
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The same reason you wouldn't leak security cam footage, right?
 
From the latest article on The Nation:

"But for me, the detail that sticks is that Brown’s body was left in the street for at least four hours. Not only did people in the community witness the shooting, they were forced to look at the aftermath. For hours, they had to see Michael Brown’s bullet-ridden, bloody body lie rotting in the street."

I wasn't aware of that before, his body being left like that for so long. There's so much wrong with this incident.
 
GeekyDad said:
From the latest article on The Nation:

"But for me, the detail that sticks is that Brown’s body was left in the street for at least four hours. Not only did people in the community witness the shooting, they were forced to look at the aftermath. For hours, they had to see Michael Brown’s bullet-ridden, bloody body lie rotting in the street."

I wasn't aware of that before, his body being left like that for so long. There's so much wrong with this incident.
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Thats the part that fucking pisses me off the most. Its what originally got my blood boiling about this whole thing. They shot him and then they just left him there
 
GeekyDad said:
From the latest article on The Nation:

"But for me, the detail that sticks is that Brown’s body was left in the street for at least four hours. Not only did people in the community witness the shooting, they were forced to look at the aftermath. For hours, they had to see Michael Brown’s bullet-ridden, bloody body lie rotting in the street."

I wasn't aware of that before, his body being left like that for so long. There's so much wrong with this incident.
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They didn't even cover the body
 
BronsonLee said:
I believe he got hospitalized for certain, that's easy to check. I don't believe Brown hit him at all. You can wave away no bruises since he died so soon after, but if he beat the shit out of him, his knuckles would be cut and scraped.

There are a few reasons why they wouldn't release it. Ongoing investigation, etc. It's not a good look though.
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What I don't get about their story is that Brown beat the cop to near unconsciousness but he wasn't shot at point blank range. So he's beating a cop, then stops, steps away and then gets shot 5 times.
 
GeekyDad said:
From the latest article on The Nation:

"But for me, the detail that sticks is that Brown’s body was left in the street for at least four hours. Not only did people in the community witness the shooting, they were forced to look at the aftermath. For hours, they had to see Michael Brown’s bullet-ridden, bloody body lie rotting in the street."

I wasn't aware of that before, his body being left like that for so long. There's so much wrong with this incident.
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I didn't know this either. Disgusting.
 
devilhawk said:
Honestly, if there are legit X-rays and MRI's that back up a supposed injury, you can fuck off about your post. Those X-rays and MRI's haven't been produced, but since you are obviously not a Radiologist or Orthopedist, you don't have much room to stand on how the supposedly injured should react. Just wait til the evidence is produced.
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Heh, in the film Dirty Harry, Scorpio pays somebody to beat him up so he can pin it on Callahan. Of course it's a movie but truth outflanks fiction and these police are pretty desperate...
 
BobTheFork said:
What I don't get about their story is that Brown beat the cop to near unconsciousness but he wasn't shot at point blank range. So he's beating a cop, then stops, steps away and then gets shot 5 times.
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I'm going to guess it was probably just one or two punches. But Brown is a big guy, so one or two punches to the face is probably enough to leave a significant mark.

Brown's friend says Wilson pulled Brown into the police car, right? Brown could have resisted that and punched Wilson to get him to let go.

Wilson goes for his gun, but fumbles and the gun goes off. It doesn't sound like that shot hit anyone, but it was probably enough to panic Brown into running.

That's when Wilson hops out of the car and uses entirely too much force.
 
If anything hit Wilson, it was probably the door.

Nearly all accounts have him swinging the door open and it being slammed back shut.
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
Does anyone believe the "severe beating" story at all?

If the guy was that messed up, why didn't they have a picture of him on the air that evening? It would have diffused a ton of tension to show he was defending himself.

...unless it's BS of course.
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Probably had a buddy cop punch him when he got back to the station.
 
Selner said:
I'm going to guess it was probably just one or two punches. But Brown is a big guy, so one or two punches to the face is probably enough to leave a significant mark.

Brown's friend says Wilson pulled Brown into the police car, right? Brown could have resisted that and punched Wilson to get him to let go.

Wilson goes for his gun, but fumbles and the gun goes off. It doesn't sound like that shot hit anyone, but it was probably enough to panic Brown into running.

That's when Wilson hops out of the car and uses entirely too much force.
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The account that's being focused tested by Wilson's defense in the media now is that Brown beat officer Wilson so badly that his orbital socket was broken. Typically when you hit someone that hard with your bare hands it causes significant damage or at the very least bruising to your knuckles. There were no such injuries to Mike Brown's hands.

So far even though the witness testimony hasn't been exactly identical there's a single fact that show's up in every account which is that Brown was surrendering when shot. The act of surrendering is a simple act that any human can instantly recognize and the fact that every witness reported seeing it completely destroys the credibility of Wilson's defense.
 
BobTheFork said:
What I don't get about their story is that Brown beat the cop to near unconsciousness but he wasn't shot at point blank range. So he's beating a cop, then stops, steps away and then gets shot 5 times.
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Like, what, he knocks the shit out of him, figures 'ok I'm coo-', saunters away only to realize Wilson is still standing, then bull rushes him? That sounds like an action movie where the villain explains his grand plan right before executing it.

Selner said:
Brown's friend says Wilson pulled Brown into the police car, right? Brown could have resisted that and punched Wilson to get him to let go.

Wilson goes for his gun, but fumbles and the gun goes off. It doesn't sound like that shot hit anyone, but it was probably enough to panic Brown into running.

That's when Wilson hops out of the car and uses entirely too much force.
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This makes sense. There would still be some form of struggle, though. Clothing damage and such. But didn't the coroner not have the clothes? And if he hit him hard enough to break an orbital bone, you'd still see marks.

kehs said:
If anything hit Wilson, it was probably the door.

Nearly all accounts have him swinging the door open and it being slammed back shut.
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I still think Brown either slammed the door on his face somehow, or it rebounded back into Wilson because he opened it too fast
 
soundahfekz said:
This country really disappoints me sometimes. I'm glad the worms are coming out of the dirt though
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Gets a little terrifying to know we've been right the whole time, and that they aren't afraid to be in the closet anymore, more and more. Rallying you know, always starts with the rallies...
 
Selner said:
I'm going to guess it was probably just one or two punches. But Brown is a big guy, so one or two punches to the face is probably enough to leave a significant mark.

Brown's friend says Wilson pulled Brown into the police car, right? Brown could have resisted that and punched Wilson to get him to let go.

Wilson goes for his gun, but fumbles and the gun goes off. It doesn't sound like that shot hit anyone, but it was probably enough to panic Brown into running.

That's when Wilson hops out of the car and uses entirely too much force.
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Dorian said that that Mike Brown was shot while he was wrestling with Johnson and even said he was bleeding from that first shot in the car. Also according to Dorian's story, Brown was being choked by the officer through the car window -- so it would not surprise me if Brown did throw a few punches. But the extent of his injuries have gone from: "OMG fractured eyeball" to "a bit of swelling on the one side of his face". And the fact that they're taking this long to show any proof and have resorted to "leaking" their side of the story, makes me not believe a word they're saying.
 
cameron said:
http://www.gofundme.com/SupportOfficerWilson
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"Ryan Kenward
7 mins ago
I believe that you were just doing your job and are the victim of a vocal minority in this country that would like to instage a war of race. I am sorry that the media has so quickly jumped to accuse you and disregarded the clear evidence that you were not dealing with an innocent child, but with a felon adult. I know that moment will haunt you for the rest of your life, I hope you will be able to find some peace."

"Ordinary Citizen
3 mins ago
Dear Darren I am so happy to see the outpouring of encouragement and support for you, from we the "silent masses". You put yourself on the line for us daily and for that we are grateful. So sad that the politicos have not one but three inquiries looking into events which took place in the blink of an eye. You son were just doing your job in the best way you could. My prayer is that you are heard in a setting which is impartial and just not one driven by mob mentality. The cause for people of color will come not from the riots or protests but rather when a mother sits her child down and says " I want you to go to school, study and become a police officer for our town, Ferguson. By the way my sense is that the groundswell of support for you comes not only from the law enforcement family but rather from everyday ordinary people grateful for your sacrifices. I myself am a physician . I challenge all others in healthcare to step up and support you. Thank you Darren......."

"robin harford
6 mins ago
I pray for you every night. Stay strong. This is a liberal witchunt!!"

WHAT THE HELL.

The supporters comments good lord.
 
NimbusD said:
What does Wilson need the money for exactly? Just in case he's actually charged? If not, what exactly is that money for?

Also think it's just great that the highest donors for Wilson's have very religious comments, because you know, good Christians support gunning down unarmed people.
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commedieu said:
Gets a little terrifying to know we've been right the whole time, and that they aren't afraid to be in the closet anymore, more and more. Rallying you know, always starts with the rallies...
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What I find scary about it is that some of the people donating leave behind comments making it clear they've come from places like /pol/. Some of these are just $5 but some go beyond $100. It's concerning that people would casually put away that much money on what's essentially trolling.
 
Skele7on said:
"Ryan Kenward
7 mins ago
I believe that you were just doing your job and are the victim of a vocal minority in this country that would like to instage a war of race. I am sorry that the media has so quickly jumped to accuse you and disregarded the clear evidence that you were not dealing with an innocent child, but with a felon adult. I know that moment will haunt you for the rest of your life, I hope you will be able to find some peace."

"Ordinary Citizen
3 mins ago
Dear Darren I am so happy to see the outpouring of encouragement and support for you, from we the "silent masses". You put yourself on the line for us daily and for that we are grateful. So sad that the politicos have not one but three inquiries looking into events which took place in the blink of an eye. You son were just doing your job in the best way you could. My prayer is that you are heard in a setting which is impartial and just not one driven by mob mentality. The cause for people of color will come not from the riots or protests but rather when a mother sits her child down and says " I want you to go to school, study and become a police officer for our town, Ferguson. By the way my sense is that the groundswell of support for you comes not only from the law enforcement family but rather from everyday ordinary people grateful for your sacrifices. I myself am a physician . I challenge all others in healthcare to step up and support you. Thank you Darren......."

"robin harford
6 mins ago
I pray for you every night. Stay strong. This is a liberal witchunt!!"

WHAT THE HELL.

The supporters comments good lord.
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You think that's bad?


I can't believe the liberal media and liberals are protecting a black THUG. This thug would be committing crimes if he was alive right now. fuck liberals. theyre a disease on this country. they should be punished for treason
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They better not come back with an indictment. This blacks have gone to far already, not obeying the law. Then all of sudden wanting to be pampered when confronted. Let's go back to Jim crow laws......
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2005 black man killed my brother. Black jury acquitted him and set him free. Did you hear about it???? Didn't think so and the Mexican American community didn't burn the city down. Just sayin!!
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NimbusD said:
What does Wilson need the money for exactly? Just in case he's actually charged? If not, what exactly is that money for?

Also think it's just great that the highest donors for Wilson's have very religious comments, because you know, good Christians support gunning down unarmed people.
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Legal fees maybe? I've got no damn idea. There's only one family here who has to pay for a funeral so I have no idea what that money is for.
 
for the people who record these events on cell phones, why are they allowing cops to confiscate their cell phones. im pretty sure id peace out so the cops couldn't do anything shady. or id at least send the video to my email for duplication. it seems odd these people are giving police their cell phones.
 
They better not come back with an indictment. This blacks have gone to far already, not obeying the law. Then all of sudden wanting to be pampered when confronted. Let's go back to Jim crow laws......
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Wow. And SCOTUS says racism is over in America.
 
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