Ferguson: Police Officer Kills 18yo Michael Brown; Protests/Riots Continue

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Brawndo Addict said:
I seem to recall some discussion in the first thread about whether he might try to argue his way out by saying that his vision was impaired so he couldn't recognize that Brown was surrendering. So proving it was not rules out that kind of ploy.
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Two shots to the head from 30 some feet would be mighty impressive.
 
Bam Bam Baklava said:
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This was one of the things I was talking about. People were acting like he was a Bush apointee just a short time ago.
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He has a history of working for big capital entities as a lawyer. It's no surprise the more anti establishment liberals were/are up in arms about it.
 
BronsonLee said:
I think it's telling that the situation is very abnormal. Truth be told, I'm rather happy the media isn't letting the story go or falling for any of the spin the police seem to be throwing its' way, so I guess I'm glad too.

I've never seen such combative media against a police department. Ever.
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A police department.yes.but what we really want is how the cop will be punished. Ohh,I can hear the riots now. Then I don't know.
 
kirblar said:
Alex Tabbarok on the economics of policing in Feguson: Ferguson and the Modern Debtor’s Prison
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Despicable

As a final outrage, consider this story which ties together Ferguson, the courts, and the arrest of parents, often minority parents, for leaving their kids to play in parks (just as my parents did).

According to local judge Frank Vatterott, 37% of the courts responding to his survey unconstitutionally closed the courts to non-defendants. Defendants are then faced with the choice of leaving their kids on the parking lot or going into court. As Antonio Morgan described after being denied entry to the court with his children, the decision to leave his kids with a friend resulted in a charge of child endangerment.

Despite Ferguson’s relative poverty, fines and court fees comprise the second largest source of revenue for the city, a total of $2,635,400. In 2013, the Ferguson Municipal Court disposed of 24,532 warrants and 12,018 cases, or about 3 warrants and 1.5 cases per household.

You don’t get $321 in fines and fees and 3 warrants per household from an about-average crime rate. You get numbers like this from bullshit arrests for jaywalking and constant “low level harassment involving traffic stops, court appearances, high fines, and the threat of jail for failure to pay.”
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That is absolutely insane, These cops arent enforcing the law. They are shaking down the poorest and most vulnerable people for money.

More warrants and cases than households? That child endangerment case just sounds so absurd.
 
FiggyCal said:
Two shots to the head from 30 some feet would be mighty impressive.
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Yeah, we were making fun of it in the first thread. But media wise I think it would sadly get traction with some people who would just think it was a 'mistake' and that he was just a 'lucky' shot. I'm just glad the talking point is finally dead.
 
Brawndo Addict said:
I seem to recall some discussion in the first thread about whether he might try to argue his way out by saying that his vision was impaired so he couldn't recognize that Brown was surrendering. So proving it was not rules out that kind of ploy.
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Ah, ok. I would think if they're trying that they'd still say a punch to the head was disorientating enough to impair his vision if it was bad enough to cause swelling.

That then begs the question, if your vision is so bad that you can't differentiate a person surrendering from a person attacking you, then what business do you have firing 6+ rounds in a residential area. Seems pretty reckless.
 
BeatResetsTheWorld said:
The comments...the fucking comments. Sometimes I just don't know anymore...
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This makes absolutely no difference whatsoever! He was attacked and beaten by a violent young thug and but for his firearm he would have been killed. The severity of his injuries is irrevelant.
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And what difference does it make? He sustained injuries while in a fight with the man he had to kill. Was he suppose to wait until a bone is broken before he's allowed to fire his weapon? I don't see what makes Lemon so excited about this news
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And does it matter if there was no orbital fracture? He was obviously brutally beaten and with the size of this young man, he had a right to feel that his life was in peril
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HP_Wuvcraft said:
"It doesn't matter how injured he was! He was injured!"

Apparently, just looking threatening to someone is justification for murder.
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no. Really what they should just say is "it doesnt matter how injured he was, the suspect was black!"
 
Friend just sent me this, haven't seen it posted in the last 10 pages or so:
http://news.yahoo.com/st-louis-medical-examiner-slams-brown-family-hire-172036981.html

The chief medical examiner of St. Louis County, who performed the first autopsy on Michael Brown after he was shot on Aug. 9, says that she is concerned by one of the men hired by the Brown family to conduct its own exam.

“I can tell you absolutely that I find what Parcells does to be abysmal,” Dr. Mary Case told The Daily Caller when asked about Shawn Parcells, a Kansas-based forensic pathologist assistant. He has been accused in the past of fabricating his job title and of conducting autopsies without a license.

Parcells, along with Dr. Michael Baden, was hired last week by the Brown family to conduct an independent private autopsy. They did so, they said, because they did not trust local authorities to conduct a thorough investigation into Brown’s police shooting death.

The team released its results on Monday and determined that Brown was shot at least six times.

One crucial determination was the trajectory of the bullet that killed Brown. Parcells explained to TheDC earlier this week that the bullet was traveling in a back to front direction, indicating that Brown was bent over in some fashion when he was struck.

The location of Brown’s head when he was shot is sure to figure prominently in the investigation. The Brown family and many across the U.S. believe that Brown was “executed” by Ferguson, Mo. police officer Darren Wilson in broad daylight. Wilson reportedly claims he shot Brown in self-defense.

But Mary Case, along with a number of other medical examiners and pathologists have been heavily critical of Parcells.

“He is doing forensic autopsies which may send someone to prison, and he is not a physician much less a forensic pathologist,” she told TheDC, adding that forensic pathologists and medical examines throughout the U.S. “are shocked by this man and how bold he is to do what he does.”

“No one stops him,” she said.

Case said that Baden, 80, “is an excellent forensic pathologist.” At a press conference Monday, Baden said the same thing about her.

But Case claims that Baden was unaware of what she called Parcells’ “baggage.”

“Dr. Baden did not know about Parcells’ baggage or he would not have become associated with him,” Case told TheDC. “His association with Parcells is very unfortunate.”

Asked whether she is concerned that Parcells’ shortcomings are an issue in the Brown autopsy, Case said, “Of course I do.”

Parcells operates National Forensic Autopsy & Tissue Recovery Services out of Overland Park, Kan.

Forensic pathologist Dr. Erik Mitchell complained to a Kansas City news station earlier this week that Parcells is working without a license.

And Dr. Thomas Young, the former medical examiner of Jackson County, Mo., told the station that Parcells was misrepresenting himself when he said Young was his mentor. (RELATED: NONE In The Back: Brown Autopsy Shows He Was Shot In The Front Of The Body)

“He has been representing himself in a way that is not appropriate by giving forensic pathology opinions when he is not qualified to do so,” Young told the station.

Told of Case’s criticism, Parcells told TheDC, “Oh, I’m not surprised.”

“She hasn’t liked me for a really time. So, whatever. I don’t know what else to say other than that.”

Parcells told TheDC that the others who have accused him of improperly conducting exams “are just jealous.”

Parcells explained how he was hired on to help with the Brown autopsy. He said that he received an email from the Brown family attorneys last week. He told TheDC that it was his understanding that Baden was contacted separately.

Parcells told the attorneys that he would like to help with the autopsy. After Baden was brought on, Parcells said he asked if his assistance would be needed. He was told that Baden said he would be “delighted” to have Parcells’ help.

Baden, who is a well-regarded pathologist, did not hand-pick Parcells. But Parcells told TheDC that he discussed with Baden some of the complaints that have been leveled against him in the past. Parcells said Baden told him not to worry about his detractors.

Baden could not be reached for comment.

Parcells provided a mixed picture of just how much input he had on the Brown autopsy.

On the one hand, he downplayed his role; on the other, he said that Baden felt he contributed greatly to the investigation.

“He felt that I was very instrumental in the investigation and very instrumental in helping him with his analysis,” Parcells told TheDC.

But, he said, “at the end of the day, I was assisting Dr. Baden.”

At Monday’s press conference when the autopsy results were released, Parcells presented the findings to the audience. Asked why he gave the explanation and not Baden, Parcells said that Baden felt he was a more concise speaker.

The results of Case’s autopsy have not been released. The Justice Department ordered its own exam as well, but those results have not been released either.
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Dabanton said:
For you black US gaffers how much has this event affected you in terms of where you thought race relations where in the US? VS where an event like this has really shown a lot of people's weird thought processes on race.

I'm shocked at the outpouring of some very,very dodgy stuff. I thought Obamas reelection got some people's backs up and they went to town woth the racist comments, but this event has seen the hatred ratcheted up past that.
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I have known there is some level of a race problem in this country but people are too blind and naive to see. People go by their experiences and their upbringing. If someone who feels like they are being oppressed or not being treated fairly expresses their grievances, a person who feels they have not experienced no such thing doesn't care. Many times they get annoyed and say "C'mon we elected Obama you're just paranoid." I just laugh.
 
Bam Bam Baklava said:
Didn't liberals hate Eric Holder a while back and hoped he would resign?
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I hate how he has handled banks and the rubber stamp he gives Obama on civil liberty abuses, but no one has denied the DOJ's civil rights department is great. They've done a very good job being proactive against blatant abuses on the state level, for instance in terms of voter restrictions.
 
CorvoSol said:
What bothers me most is how certain they are he was injured when I swear we haven't seen the man once during this entire ordeal.
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He's clearly at home nursing his injures, probably unable to walk straight now that the adrenaline rush that let him chat with his friend died down.
 
So it's pretty much confirmed that Wilson had a swollen face, meaning he was attacked by Brown? His eye socket wasn't broken but if his face was swollen that suggests he got punched pretty hard. Why someone would punch a police officer...yeah. It just doesn't seem like Brown was rational at the time, considering these aren't the actions of a rational person.

Regardless he didn't deserve to die, but it's not hard to see a jury ruling in Wilson's favor - if it even goes to trial. I never thought Wilson would be indicted but the more info that comes out, the worse it looks for Brown. Not saying it's fair, it's just reality.
 
Fiction said:
Yep. No pictures of him after the fact, only the 'pacing and looking completely fine' cell phone video and people are taking 'brutally beaten' at 100% fact. Because of some 'leaks' and 'rumors'. It's disgusting.
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Cause motherfuckers are racist, yet they'll thinly veil anything they can to avoid the outright title.

I don't know why I keep checking this thread, seeing those comments pisses me off
 
CorvoSol said:
What bothers me most is how certain they are he was injured when I swear we haven't seen the man once during this entire ordeal.
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In that same Don Lemon report it said his face was swollen. But yea, I'd like some more confirmation. Then I'd like for an autopsy to show some damage to Brown's fist. For all we know the cruiser door hit his face when it flung back towards him.

Still after that, it means nothing if he killed Brown while he surrendered. The attempt to justify his murder is a distraction from the actual shooting. The case begins and ends with the shooting itself.
 
PhoenixDark said:
So it's pretty much confirmed that Wilson had a swollen face, meaning he was attacked by Brown? His eye socket wasn't broken but if his face was swollen that suggests he got punched pretty hard. Why someone would punch a police officer...yeah. It just doesn't seem like Brown was rational at the time, considering these aren't the actions of a rational person.

Regardless he didn't deserve to die, but it's not hard to see a jury ruling in Wilson's favor - if it even goes to trial. I never thought Wilson would be indicted but the more info that comes out, the worse it looks for Brown. Not saying it's fair, it's just reality.
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All witnesses are saying that they were wrestling through the car window. Dorian said Wilson was trying to choke Brown, so it's not going against we've heard from anyone thus far that Brown had hit him. However it should be telling how shameless the police are in make up lies to protect their friend. Same as in the St Louis shooting.
 
PhoenixDark said:
So it's pretty much confirmed that Wilson had a swollen face, meaning he was attacked by Brown? His eye socket wasn't broken but if his face was swollen that suggests he got punched pretty hard. Why someone would punch a police officer...yeah. It just doesn't seem like Brown was rational at the time, considering these aren't the actions of a rational person.

Regardless he didn't deserve to die, but it's not hard to see a jury ruling in Wilson's favor - if it even goes to trial. I never thought Wilson would be indicted but the more info that comes out, the worse it looks for Brown. Not saying it's fair, it's just reality.
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The "attack" is irrelevant if he was shot while surrendering like eyewitnesses have said. That's first degree murder.
 
This "only black people riot" idea is odd because of sports riots - Penn State, LA Lakers, Stanley Cup, or the recent NCCA final riot - that tend to be with predominately white or mixed crowds.

It's just perplexing to me.
 
Fiction said:
Well there are several witness statements that say Wilson threw open his car door in a rage, and it bounced back into him.
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Who knows if Officer Wilson punched himself in the face. But seriously, if the car door bounced back into him caused the swolen face, and Wilson lied that Brown punched him the face, then Wilson is a straight up liar.
 
HP_Wuvcraft said:
Wilson's probably not even in Ferguson.
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I'm just sort of baffled at all of this. Like, look at how far this police force has gone for one man. I would pay good money to know how Wilson feels right now. I'd also love to hear how every one of those officers fighting his war feels about him.

Then I remember the reason that there's this paling of noninformation around the police is because they've deliberately rejected the chance to have their story told and have thrown the paling up with a screen of ridiculous red herrings that a shocking and depressing portion of American society has fallen for.
 
soundahfekz said:
Cause motherfuckers are racist, yet they'll thinly veil anything they can to avoid the outright title.

I don't know why I keep checking this thread, seeing those comments pisses me off
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This has been the worst of these police officer shootings in that there are so many eye witnesses and so little public evidence to support the officer's version of events but it still amazes me how it's basically the same as every other case.

There could be 1080P footage of the shooting supporting the eyewitness testimony and you'd still probably have the same people making those comments and saying it was justified based on Mike Brown resisting arrest or shoplifting or something.
 
MHWilliams said:
This "only black people riot" idea is odd because of sports riots - Penn State, LA Lakers, Stanley Cup, or the recent NCCA final riot - that tend to be with predominately white or mixed crowds.

It's just perplexing to me.
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Racists gonna racist. They're trying to discredit the protests and turn it into a "2 wrongs, don't make a right" situation when the vast majority of protesters have done nothing wrong and arguably have been a greater force for peace than the entire police department.
 
Someone just told me Sorbo retracted his FB comment. Something along the lines of "I never meant the protesters, I meant the looters!"
 
CorvoSol said:
I'm just sort of baffled at all of this. Like, look at how far this police force has gone for one man. I would pay good money to know how Wilson feels right now. I'd also love to hear how every one of those officers fighting his war feels about him.
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He killed a man in cold blood. He most likely doesn't give a shit.

Judging by how some cops have been acting, I'm sure there are those that think they are fighting a war on American soil for the soul of this nation or whatever. I'm sure there are equally as many (or I hope) that hate him for this shit.
 
Fiction said:
That's what this whole thing rests on, and considering the witness statements vs his rumored statement, yeah, he's a straight up liar. Also, I think if he punched himself in the face, he's a straight up liar too.
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Watch out for the "it can take the eye days to swell after getting hit" excuse.
 
ridley182 said:
Someone just told me Sorbo retracted his FB comment. Something along the lines of "I never meant the protesters, I meant the looters!"
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Kind of a difficult needle to thread when you've also name checked Obama and black people voting for him as part of the problem in all this. Then claiming "aw shucks I was just talking about the looters" is disingenuous.

Ah, to watch racists attempting to walk back the racist shit they say...
 
ridley182 said:
Someone just told me Sorbo retracted his FB comment. Something along the lines of "I never meant the protesters, I meant the looters!"
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Ehh... I can see that. But again why use the word "animals" to describe them? But I can totally see what he was trying to get across -- "people who want to loot will loot, it has nothing to do with Mike Brown or the police".
 
CrimsonCommie said:
The "attack" is irrelevant if he was shot while surrendering like eyewitnesses have said. That's first degree murder.
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yea good luck with that.

it worked for zimmerman. Dude had a couple scratches on his ugly head, and people acted like he was nearly beaten to death.
 
Fiction said:
Well there are several witness statements that say Wilson threw open his car door in a rage, and it bounced back into him.
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Unless someone new has popped up in the past couple of days, Johnson is the only one who saw that part. Everyone else came in during the struggle through the window or after they were out of the car.
 
Mr.Awesome said:
Whether or not he reported it first has little to do with whether other news organizations are reporting it with their own sources. There are some others I think. Not sure if they are reputable or not.
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I hadn't seen anything that didn't cite back to the original BS source.
 
belvedere said:
Holy hell the comments. And I thought my FB feed was littered with bigoted, moronic hate speech.
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This gem is something:

Obama and Al Sharpton want everyone to be oversensitive. He wants to be able to manipulate his way in to doing ANYTHING he wants to do with no one saying a word about it. High tensions are the vehicle he wants. Not sure if he is going for marshal law or Muslim terrorists to come in and take over. Hard to say with him. Actions speak louder than words. So do the lack of them.
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