I wonder if m00t will comment.
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Polytron Hacked?
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Censorship is not the best way and never will be.
I don't think so.
FloweryMarston
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Unfortunately, this is not a problem exclusive to gaming. It may seem that this is a problem more highlighted in gaming because of the interaction that devs needs to have with the fans. But in music, film, television,sports, literature and others all have their share of crazy abusive people that harass the creators.
What are you talking about?
The PSN breach had to do with credit card numbers and personal info that belonged to tons of consumers. Polytron doesn't have consumer records, why the hell would they? Sony/Microsoft/Valve won't care that much about leaked data about Fez sales. All those contracts and confidentiality things are a formality.
dark_inferno
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Kojima probably doesnt even know about Fish.
Nobody has to know it until FEZ2 is out.
That's not a strawman that's just victim blaming.
OverdriveOtaku
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Highly doubt it. He never sold his game to people, the various digital marketplaces take care of that.
OK, this action was taking things far too far but If by "equality" you mean acting like a bunch of hysterical idiots, then sure, equality.
BertleTheTurtle
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Adam Sessler tweeted saying he was "watching hacking attempts live" with Zoe Quinn. Which really makes no sense but I guess he meant they were setting up two step authorization in which case I highly doubt she got hacked and she's just trying to garner sympathy again.
IncandescentPrecept
Banned
Ok. So, the paypal info were his?
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The Everyman
honestly, even reading stuff like that over and over again on different forums must be mentally taxing. i mean, what if he was a gaf lurker? just reading about how people think your an asshole every time your name is mentioned somewhere on the internet is already a too harsh of a punishment for the dozen or so quips he's made.
Yeah, I'm in your camp.
But I agree with some posters, too, that bringing it up in this thread is a derail, and should just be let go
Yeah, I think Devolver might be a good place for him. They could reign Fish in a bit and have him focused on making Fez 2/other games. And Devolver could handle the PR and dealing with the community.
A lot of services send courtesy messages to people if they detect someone trying to get into their accounts, it could be what he was talking about.
Liamario
Banned
Because it's all abuse. This privacy breach was just the last straw. Constant insults and abuse, where do you draw the line. These people don't get to abuse someone then play the empathy card when he receives a different kind of abuse.
Dozen? hahaha.
Fish is a cunt, but this is pretty extreme. Bank statements? Man, I can see like, his Twitter info or something, but this is brutal.
I don't rally feel bad for him, because he's a huge dick, but I don't think he deserves quite this much.
Zoe seems like a real piece of work too, if she really did cheat on her boyfriend with five diffifernt dudes. Dude should've just peaced the fuck out though - plenty of pussy in the sea, no reason to ruin someone's career.
I don't rally feel bad for him, because he's a huge dick, but I don't think he deserves quite this much.
Zoe seems like a real piece of work too, if she really did cheat on her boyfriend with five diffifernt dudes. Dude should've just peaced the fuck out though - plenty of pussy in the sea, no reason to ruin someone's career.
He's done nothing to make that opinion not a thing. It's on him that the world views him as an arse.
No it isn't, that's just the way popularity works. If you say something to 100 thousand people that makes them think you're an asshole, and a bunch of people mention that you are an asshole, it is just the logical consequence. There is no need to go censor the whole internet because a famous asshole can't take seeing people call him an asshole.
When it comes to people hell bent on doing shit not relevant to anything but destruction?
The internet isn't a democracy, censorship isn't against the rules and censoring people that are hellbent on negative growth wouldn't be a bad thing in my book. Hell, NeoGaf is censored, in really smart ways.
What are bannings really? Censoring somebody who doesn't value the site and rules.
SolidsnackooFoxhound
Banned
lol. He's not going with his franchise rights. He's getting out. He'd never sign a deal that forced him to censor himself anyway.
That was a large part of my takeaway. "The Zoe Post" is goddamn crazy. If he wrote a couple paragraphs that went "screw her, she slept with x, y, and z in the gaming community, peace out," that would be one thing. But I read about fifteen words and I knew where it was going, "I'm a great guy, and to prove it, here are heavily edited personal correspondence laying out in excruciating detail my perspective."
Ironically, that's one of the primary criticisms of Fish himself.
OverdriveOtaku
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Not sure, haven't been looking at that stuff. Just saying that Phil didn't sell his games person-to-person, so he shouldn't have customer information that others would get into. A digital marketplace being hacked would be a more likely scenario for customer info to get leaked.
Just my opinion.
Definitely. That whole thing was just a sad display, best forgotten.
BertleTheTurtle
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Oh I guess I could that be it. Just guessing at passwords isn't hacking though which is why I didn't think of that.
Why would he have consumer paypal information.
Necromanti
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I'm not sure what you're referencing, but they are the ones directly claiming to be against feminism, not me.
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
Curses!
After going to a few Def Con's, outside of a very select few of hackers, from my experience most of them do it because they can and because it is a bit of a power trip. Most of the time they jump onto a cause so they can hack, because it can be addictive.
The internet is absolutely not a democracy, it is a place that is supposed to have no ties to any power. Which is why people fight back so hard whenever they find out about shit like SOPA, PIPA, PRISM, or any other bullshit that fights to censor the people. Not that I'm advocating for fuckheads hellbent on destruction, obviously, they will face their consequences, but censorship goes way deeper than pulling out a few weeds here and there. Free speech exists for a reason. If someone wants to be an asshole on the internet, and use their real name such as on twitter, they will face the moral and social repercussions. If someone breaks a law on the internet, it is still illegal and they will still be charged if it is a real offense. Giving anyone the power to decide who is or is not fit for discussion on the internet is some 1984 shit. Obviously this site has rules, but this site is a private forum. You can't exert similar amounts of ruling on the rest of the internet.
AusRoachman
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I really hope the FEZ sourcecode is safe, whilst the rest of the leaked data is shitty and a headache, losing your games sourcecode would be the final nail in the coffin.
I also hope he does sell the source and move on because he has no reason to put up with the level of hatred he gets, its not worth it. Sell it , make some money and get out of the business.
I also hope he does sell the source and move on because he has no reason to put up with the level of hatred he gets, its not worth it. Sell it , make some money and get out of the business.
dark_inferno
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Valve bought/got the Portal guys, they bought/got L4D, they bought/got some students because they came up with the idea with the physic fluid from Portal 2, they bought/got Icefrog with Dota.
It's possible to criticize feminism, but be completely supportive of equality. In many cases, it would actually be necessary to criticize it, unless you think it is literally infallible.
I mean, if you make a comment like "if gaming was a building I'd burn it to the ground with you all inside".. I don't really.. care, what you think anymore. Like. You've lost that right to have my attention.
You make comments like that frequently enough, people will think you're an ass. You will become "that guy." Then, to be offended that people think you're an ass? Well, don't say stuff like that then. The big one was when he said Japanese games suck or whatever. The issue is that the video (or he) didn't clarify that he didn't mean "right now" or "for the most part." It was a blanket statement that got framed as something he represented.
So then, every time he said something rash it became a way to view it in that context, which in turn justified the idea that he was an asshole. He really set himself up to be seen as "that guy" without any real effort to be seen otherwise.
I was meaning in that sense. The moderate view is really not being taken account of in favour of the ongoing battles of the Fedoracons and the SoJusBots and any discussion to be had is ruined as a result.
Sorry, but if I acted the way Fish has, being called an "Arsehole" would be getting off light.
BertleTheTurtle
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Heavily edited? The only thing he censored was the thing about her doing suicide girl type porn before which 4chan found out about anyway.
Oh and the names of the 2 other guys who weren't disclosed who 4chan also supposedly figured out.
And how can it be heavily edited and lay everything out in excruciating detail? You're contradicting yourself.
Actually smiled reading this. Nice.
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The Everyman
this is a far cry from censorship. im just of the opinion that if the dudes had enough, then just leave it at that. realize that what you say may be compounding an issue that youre not aware of. people do stupid things while in the public eye, and they get it way worse than the people who dont because each one of a million witnesses feels the need to add another chink in the armor. im just saying that in the internet-age it's important that we realize that.
ganbareneopokekun
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obligatory to all the "he's an asshole" statements
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmTUW-owa2w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmTUW-owa2w
Looking at what was leaked I don't think so. Looks like it's all just financials and stuff. I'd link but I doubt they'd like that.
Being against feminism (especially in the "anti-SJW" way that they marked this attack) is not the same as being critical of feminism.
SolidsnackooFoxhound
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You don't want to bring somebody into your company who causes drama and has no respect for the industry. It would harm Valves image. Not only that, Phil isn't even remotely talented as the people you listed.
AusRoachman
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I only say that because someone posted earlier some svn information was leaked, Hopefully he managed to kill that off before anything was taken.
We really only going to talk about Phil Fish? I mean, the hackers pretty much threatened every dev who has spoken out or is a "SJW" in their eyes. Who next on their hit list? Mike Bithell? I saw Ramtower from Nintendo Treehouse also showed some support for Zoe. Could he be next?
The hacker or hackers or whoever they were pretty much threatened a large portion of the industry here. These kinds of situations are growing bigger and bigger every time I see them. This seems more worthy of a discussion than constantly talking about if Phil Fish deserved it or not.
The hacker or hackers or whoever they were pretty much threatened a large portion of the industry here. These kinds of situations are growing bigger and bigger every time I see them. This seems more worthy of a discussion than constantly talking about if Phil Fish deserved it or not.
Seen it. It's not a blanket statement that covers all people who think he's a butthead.
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