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Wow I had "http://www.nick.com/videos/clip/legend-of-korra-212-full-episode.html" bookmarked and just kept checking that.

Why on earth they changed url convention for the finale I don't know.

Guessing the did it so that both episodes are together in the same link.

is she really paralyzed tho? :(

I'm going to go and say no for me just still healing from her ordeal. Also Asami said its only been two weeks so she's still healing at the moment.


Link To episode
http://www.nick.com/videos/clip/legend-of-korra-992-full-episode.html?xid=korranation
 
Finales were a let down. Kind of meh. No really weight to them. You didn't even really care about who would win as the
villains were so poorly explained. Heck, he says this band of brothers and sisters will dissolve current world order and create natural order where one only depends on theirself. YET HE'S IN A GOD DAMN GROUP AND IN LOVE. THIS SHIT SUCKS. I'M OUT.

SEE YOU GUYS NEXT SEASON.
Maybe you were too busy longing for
Toph to show up that you didn't listen to what he said (paraphrase): "where one only depends on theirself *and those they love.*"
 
naw

Shes still recovering from that life threatening poison. They would never paralyze her in a show which relies on martial arts and dynamic movement.

I'm going to go and say no for me just still healing from her ordeal. Also Asami said its only been two weeks so she's still healing at the moment.
This is what I initially thought when I watched the finale, but when I started to read the thread everyone was saying she was paralyzed so I was like wtf

but this makes more sense. to me at least
 
As fan of the Birds of Prey I would totally love to see fights with somebody in a wheelchair. But if she stays weakened, I am ok with that too. Lets show the world that the Avatar is more than just fighting power.
 
damn, those feels man. I've never wanted to comfort a fictional character before.
 
Wow, so that finale.

I pretty much loved it. Call me crazy, but I thought the fighting scenes were even better than ATLA's season finale's (except Zuko and Azula's fight). Absolutely loved the first episode's fight on top of the rock. Korra in cuffs bending was some of the coolest fighting I've seen on the show. But really, it was just the overall tension, it was built up so well (mostly in part because Zaheer is such a great villain).

I almost wanted to roll my eyes when Zaheer could fly, but the idea of flying isn't that so far fetched to me given it's literally bending the air around your body. I just think, more people should have been able to do it in the past (Air bending masters). But if they are trying to tie it to the spiritual/philosophical elements of air bending, I guess I can understand it being tied to "letting go of everything". Sort of strange that only two people have ever let go of everything in the all the years that bending has existed. Surely there has been some insane monks. But whatever. That's just nitpicking. I guess what I'm saying is, I'm okay with it in the mythology of the show. Kind of iffy on Zaheer being able to do it, just because I still don't understand why he's so good, that he can best multiple bending masters. They do show him stumbling and fumbling around to establish he isn't a master at technique, and yet he always seems to be able to pull off insane shit. But whatever, I'm okay with it.

I wanted to love Bolin's moments so much. But my god is his man child shit annoying in this first episode. His idiotic plan that wasn't even funny, but actually pretty annoying..and then those bird calls. Even when he finally learns how to lava bend, I DID roll my eyes, just because of his reaction to it. I dunno. I'm someone that started out loving Bolin, and there is still things about him I like. But they've made him really really really stupid with his manchild archetype. And that really makes me mad. Plus these moments don't even work with where show is going tonally (this season has been pretty dark in tone).

Lin telling Su she loved her gave me some feels. As did the moment between Korra and her father. Hell, I even kind of felt for Zaheer and P'Li. However, I wish they would have showed us more of their relationship prior to the finale, so that way it made her death more...tangible. That way it made Zaheer letting go his last possession on earth mean more. Because we are to accept that he loved her deeply, because he tells the audience he loved her deeply. That's all fine and good, but her death kind of lacked an emotional punch to me, because I didn't SEE their relationship. I'm not asking for like full episodes, they could have just had little moments in other episodes (like her comforting Zaheer. Or him confiding in her when his plans would fail). These moments would also have given Zaheer more depth. This is also a nitpick, but I wish P'Li's death would have had a muffled explosion sound. I mean, I'm assuming that's how she died? The metal thing on her head, caused the explosion to happen in her face (so her fuckin head would have exploded into pieces). I get that they couldn't show that. But the camera should have panned over to Zaheers horrified face as he hears the explosion (and then we would know what happened). But yeah, kids show I get it. Although maybe the energy just went inward and didn't cause the explosion, it just destroyed the brain. I could buy that. That's probably what they were going for.

But yeah, the first episode was incredible. Loved the fighting, tension and just the overall setup. If only this had more production value (more money thrown into it), this would have totally lived up to a movie version of the show. It just had all tone/mood down perfectly, and it felt EPIC as hell. Really loved it.

So the second half...

lol Bolin..strikes again. Him pushing Su off Opal...yeah that's attractive. Oh god, make it stop. Make Bolin STOP!

The second half was pretty good, but not as great as the first half IMO. The set up in the first half was just so well don and intense. Whereas everything in the second half was pretty predictable and kind of felt like jigsaws falling into place. This isn't to say it was bad, I just preferred the former more (as there was more tension in not knowing what could happen. But once they got everything set into place, it was easy to tell where it was all going). I really liked the Poison set up though, although I'm kind of confused as to how that induces the Avatar state. But the actual scene itself was really nice (the way it was drawn, the colors etc). And of course, I really liked when Korra went into Avatar state and just destroyed everything. Her flying chase with Zaheer was epic as hell. I also feel like Bolin sort or redeems himself with his lava bending fight. And Mako getting the kill with lighting was really nice. But unlike the fights in the first half, I kind of felt like these fights were more rushed, since they had to get to the other stuff. So they were really cool, but not as impressive as the first episode stuff IMO.

But then...oh god Bolin just ruins the final fight's moment by sticking a sock in Zaheer's mouth. Taking what was a really serious/dark storyline, and reducing the villain to a zany cartoon moment. Even Opal's reaction..seemed more in like an annoyance. Wow. Okay, I still loved the fight between Zaheer and Korra. And I'm still 100% okay with Zaheer's motivations and actions. I think they all make sense from his character's perspective (or how he thinks). And I'm still okay with how he was defeated. I mean, I'm actually surprised more benders haven't come together to do chain bending (ie. multiple benders using the same power at once to create an even bigger effect).

I actually loved Jinora's ceremony. It was actually quite beautiful. I really loved the music and how they showed the airbenders shooting wind through the chimes. It was just a really lovely scene, and Tenzin really capped off their arc in a really beautiful way. But yeah, like everyone else I'm still kind of iffy on Jinora being a master. But whatever. Her move and leadership to take down Zaheer was actually really cool, and even though I personally think it's BS she can astral project, I can accept it for what it is now and just move on. I actually loved this moment in the context of the airbenders history.

SO all in all, I would probably give Part 1 an A, and Part 2 an A-. Overall score of an A-. It was easily the best season finale out of all the Korra's and ATLA (except the series finale, which I still prefer just because there was more pay off to major arcs. It's not fair comparing the two though in this regard. But nothing in this finale was better than Azula vs. Zuko for instance. Or Iroh and Zuko meeting again after being separated). There were moments that fell flat (Bolin). But the choreography was fantastic. Things moved along at a great pace. I personally was okay how they resolved this arc. And I like that it left it open, so that the real danger is still looming in the background. That they kept the door open for something bigger tied to all of this. That adds weight to Zaheer and the Red Lotus instead of this feeling like some smaller self contained conflict between a mad man and the Avatar. Now it feels like this is something that could seriously threaten the balance of the world (although I guess killing the Avatar would do that).

As far as Su's captain being corrupt or whatever..lol I guess? I kind of hate it when new people are introduced at the end of a season. It's not just Korra, I generally don't like this. But I'm just glad they didn't have THAT scene where it shows her actually being corrupt. So at least we now have a hint of it, and so they can build her up next season. I would much rather have that, then her come the fuck out of no where, get 10 seconds of screen time, then actually do something evil in the episode itself. That would have pissed me off. Whereas she now ties into the bigger plot being woven for the next season.

Korra looking rugged and in a wheelchair..was uh interesting. I can't blame her for feeling that way if she can't walk. But the audience doesn't really know what her injuries are. If she's actually paralyzed from the waist down (from the fall injury, or the poisoning)..then of course I get her being upset. If she's just like you know injured, and can heal in like 3 months..then come on. lool
 
Maybe you were too busy longing for
Toph to show up that you didn't listen to what he said (paraphrase): "where one only depends on theirself *and those they love.*"

That still goes against anarchy even if I worded it poorly.

I think even the writers knew how stupid Zaheer and gang were when Bolin did what Bolin did.
 
Yes, the fight scenes were exquisite. Great choreography and animation in all of them.



Avatar state super strength bro

That is what I got out of it.
It didn't look like she was bending the platinum, it looked like her strength literally broke the chains off (notice how the cuffs were still there). The force of her power snapped the chains off the cuff link parts. So I'm calling this a physical break, not a bending of an element.
 
How do you explain people getting fire thrown at them and not being burnt? Dropping off cliffs? GETTING ROCKS THROWN AT THEIR FACE?

A lot of inconsistencies in the show from the getgo.

Avatar state super strength bro
The argument was about platinum bending and the poison. It seems to make sense that the poison is what the platinum is referring to since it's something she can't do as how Zaheer phrased it would be something more advanced that she hasn't learned of metal bending. If the chains were the platinum, then they wouldn't have broke. It seems more like yeah she used avatar super strength to break the chains
 
Season 3 and the finale are serviceable, not great, but nowhere near as bad as the first 2 seasons.

I'm so fucking happy stupid face Mako finally god damn used lightning.

Outside of evil air monk doing his best Chronicle impression, I thought the fights were kinda bland actually. Just a lot of chucking shit at each other.

I liked the plan to poison Korra to end the avatar cycle, but I wish it was a side plot, instead of the main focus, and Mad Stan had more interesting goals.
 
The argument was about platinum bending and the poison. It seems to make sense that the poison is what the platinum is referring to since it's something she can't do as how Zaheer phrased it would be something more advanced that she hasn't learned of metal bending. If the chains were the platinum, then they wouldn't have broke. It seems more like yeah she used avatar super strength to break the chains

If the poison was platinum then Suyin wouldn't have been able to bend it out of Korra. He was definitely talking about the chains.
 
If she's just like you know injured, and can heal in like 3 months..then come on. lool

Have you even been incapcitated for an extended amount of time? It makes you feel worthless since you have so many other people helping you do stuff you could do on your own before. Add on the fact that Korra's the Avatar? Hell, Amon in her hallucination told her that the world doesn't need her anymore. With the airbenders taking up her mantle for balance in the world, he's right. She isn't needed anymore. I think you're dismissing something that has deeper meaning than you think.

Basically, this is what Season 1's finale should have been.
 
Have you even been incapcitated for an extended amount of time? It makes you feel worthless since you have so many other people helping you do stuff you could do on your own before. Add on the fact that Korra's the Avatar? Hell, Amon in her hallucination told her that the world doesn't need her anymore. With the airbenders taking up her mantle for balance in the world, he's right. She isn't needed anymore. I think you're dismissing something that has deeper meaning than you think.

Basically, this is what Season 1's finale should have been.

It wasn't a huge a sticking point for me. Didn't bother me immensely. I guess I'm more so interested in what they do with it. What it actually means in the coming season. Because for me, that is what really matters. Whereas as of now, we don't exactly know what is wrong with her. I guess if anything is to be said about it, it kind of feels redundant to Book 1's ending. But I agree with you in that, I actually think this is how Book 1's ending should have been done.

But I dunno. I still think she should be a bit more chipper if all she got was two broken legs. It would suck, sure. But considering what she accomplished...if all she walked away from this was two broken bones, and being out of commission for 6 months. Whereas if she is legit paralyzed from the waist down, and they have no idea how to fix it, then I would understand her dread more.
 
so uh

I think they finally did it guys

they finally finished a story without some sort of deus ex machina bullshit

and with ACTUAL CONSEQUENCES for the avatar going through hell
 
so uh

I think they finally did it guys

they finally finished a story without some sort of deus ex machina bullshit

and with ACTUAL CONSEQUENCES for the avatar going through hell

but

idk what I think about this but I've been hearing some people say that the poison forcing Korra into the avatar state is a deus ex machina.
 
but

idk what I think about this but I've been hearing some people say that the poison forcing Korra into the avatar state is a deus ex machina.

More like a contrivance? Or is Deus Ex a contrivance as well (my brain is failing me).

My understanding of Deus Ex is something that is introduced to resolve a bunch of problems (simplistic definition. I know the Greek origins w/ a God being introduced). I dunno, is this really resolving any problem, it's more so causing a problem? So it's more of just plain poor writing to explain a problem?
I guess it's solving Zaheer's problem (of how to do it).
 
Awesome finale. I can't wait until book 4, I really wish the books had more episodes like ATLA.

The hallucinations Korra had while being poisoned of Amon and the others really tied in all of the books so far. It seems like the overarching struggle with Korra is trying to succeed as an avatar in a world where she is not needed anymore. Maybe Book 4 will resolve this.
 
Really good finale, mostly because it's just not Korra doing everything and everyone had their chance to shine.

Glad they killed off most of the Red Lotus, they were far to dangerous to let live despite the show trying to make us feel bad for them.
 
More like a contrivance? Or is Deus Ex a contrivance as well (my brain is failing me).

My understanding of Deus Ex is something that is introduced to resolve a bunch of problems (simplistic definition. I know the Greek origins w/ a God being introduced). I dunno, is this really resolving any problem, it's more so causing a problem? So it's more of just plain poor writing?
I guess it's solving Zaheer's problem (of how to do it).

Poor writing. Zaheer and the gang were under developed. He's really just a blind follower who spouts poetic words from a Guru. His powers increase drastically. The entire gang's powers aren't really explained. They don't get screen time except for, "Yeah, 2/3" and these 2 are in a relationship. They're very bland characters altogether. The idea of them is better.
 
platinum is still metal

[A big point of using platinum as they do in this show is so that metal benders can't bend them. It;s a pure metal and can't be bent because there are no impurities within the substance to be bent. Metal benders don't actually bend the metal itself.
 
I'm so glad that Suyin and Opal Beifong didn't turn out be villains of any sort as some people kept thinking.
The way Suyin went and metalbended her armour over P'Li's face was so freaking badass.


On a more serious note. I had no idea that
Zelda Williams was going to be on this show. It now makes this..more awkward:

http://pitchfork.com/news/56421-henry-rollins-criticizes-robin-williams-in-fuck-suicide-essay/
That sure is awkward
Wonder if they will have any dialogue together in Book 4
Wait, is chapter 13 also out?

Yep final two episodes for Book 3 came out today
 
[A big point of using platinum as they do in this show is so that metal benders can't bend them. It;s a pure metal and can't be bent because there are no impurities within the substance to be bent. Metal benders don't actually bend the metal itself.
Ah right that's true.
 
Poor writing. Zaheer and the gang were under developed. He's really just a blind follower who spouts poetic words from a Guru. His powers increase drastically. The entire gang's powers aren't really explained. They don't get screen time except for, "Yeah, 2/3" and these 2 are in a relationship. They're very bland characters altogether. The idea of them is better.

I personally loved Zaheer. But I agree with you that they weren't properly developed. Like, the idea of Zaheer is amazing. And I think that's why I like him so much (from a shallow perspective, he's really entertaining, and I like his motivations. He also has a cool personality). But I agree that things like
his deep philosophical beliefs, or his relationship with P'Li were very superficial and not fleshed out at all.

So I guess I can agree with you that technically, I like the idea of Zaheer, but not as much as what they could have done with him. I guess I was more okay with him on a superficial level than you were though. *shrugs* I guess I've just come too accept that this is pretty shallow in certain aspects. That the writers aren't capable of going past a certain level of quality (and I think that even ATLA suffered from this in aspects). It's just more evident here, given how rushed the plot plays out in these season's.
 
Episode 12 was great but didnt like 13 :(.

Last fight felt like superman vs zod. And last episodes were full of cliche. Also didn't like atonce power ups like naruto
 
I personally loved Zaheer. But I agree with you that they weren't properly developed. Like, the idea of Zaheer is amazing. And I think that's why I like him so much (from a shallow perspective, he's really entertaining, and I like his motivations. He also has a cool personality). But I agree that things like
his deep philosophical beliefs, or his relationship with P'Li were very superficial and not fleshed out at all.

So I guess I can agree with you that technically, I like the idea of Zaheer more than what they could have done with him. I guess I was more okay with him on a superficial level than you were though. *shrugs* I guess I've just come too accept that this is pretty shallow in certain aspects. That the writers aren't capable of going past a certain level of quality (and I think that even ATLA suffered from this in aspects). It's just more evident here, given how rushed the plot plays out in these season's.

I do believe seasonal arcs that are only connected by the relationships of the good guys is really hurting the overall story of Korra. They really needed a villain who covered all seasons. Amon or Zaheer would have been great because they can be fleshed out, but 12-14 episodes feels rushed.
 
I do believe seasonal arcs that are only connected by the relationships of the good guys is really hurting the overall story of Korra. They really needed a villain who covered all seasons. Amon or Zaheer would have been great because they can be fleshed out, but 12-14 episodes feels rushed.
They are better at creating the "journey" then the "destination". What made ATLA what it was, was the time you spent with the gang, building them up as heroes. Same as the fire nation, they were built up over the course of 3 seasons as a threat. Even if you aren't a fan of ATLA ending you at least enjoyed the ride.

They seem to have a hard time really pacing themselves in building up the season narrative and villains.
 
They are better at creating the "journey" then the "destination". What made ATLA what it was, was the time you spent with the gang, building them up as heroes. Same as the fire nation, they were built up over the course of 3 seasons as a threat. Even if you aren't a fan of ATLA ending you at least enjoyed the ride.

They seem to have a hard time really pacing themselves in building up the season narrative and villains.

Yeah I can agree with this. But for those of you that didn't love the finale (or weren't satisfied), do you at least agree that it was a pretty good finale for what they are capable of (with this format)? I mean, at least IMO it was superior to Korra Book 1 and 2 finale. And while I'm guessing you guys won't agree with me, I actually liked it more than some of the ATLA finale's (mostly the choreography and the set up of the situations). Although I'm more and more inclined to agree with you guys, that a lot of the character/plot moments do feel shallow when you look past the surface. As I said in my initial post for instance:
the Zaheer + P'Li felt shallow as did our understanding of Zaheer's deep commitment to his philosophies.

I guess all things aside, I still think these were great from an entertainment perspective.
 
Random speculation.

Could all the "on screen" deaths be the reason nick decided to air the rest of the episodes over the internet?

I mean it's probably just nick being nick, but I just thought it was a weird coincidence.
 
Hey guess haven't watched the episode yet and I'm not reading the thread from free of spoilers but does this episode continue to be good as the rest of the season? I'm hoping it ends strong.
 
Um, alright.

Bolin did suddenly learn how to lava bend. No training at all. At least give us some examples of him trying it or something. Toph learning metal bending showed us her trying and then getting it. They even tell us she was teaching herself sand bending. The problem comes when people just snap into it like how Korra snaps into air bending. I don't care how fast they master it but don't just give it to them without any training beforehand. It's sloppy writing.

Unless Toph Beifong does it.
 
Random speculation.

Could all the "on screen" deaths be the reason nick decided to air the rest of the episodes over the internet?

I mean it's probably just nick being nick, but I just thought it was a weird coincidence.

Possibly, although I think Nick cares more about ratings and money. I think had Korra
continued Book 1 ratings I doubt they would do the digital only thing.
 
Holy shit, this finale left me really happy. Everyone had their chance to shine, and action was superb. I'm looking forward to rewatching this whole season in a bit.
I personally loved Zaheer. But I agree with you that they weren't properly developed. Like, the idea of Zaheer is amazing. And I think that's why I like him so much (from a shallow perspective, he's really entertaining, and I like his motivations. He also has a cool personality). But I agree that things like
his deep philosophical beliefs, or his relationship with P'Li were very superficial and not fleshed out at all.

So I guess I can agree with you that technically, I like the idea of Zaheer, but not as much as what they could have done with him. I guess I was more okay with him on a superficial level than you were though. *shrugs* I guess I've just come too accept that this is pretty shallow in certain aspects. That the writers aren't capable of going past a certain level of quality (and I think that even ATLA suffered from this in aspects). It's just more evident here, given how rushed the plot plays out in these season's.

I think the fact that we have 22(?) minute episodes really hinders the amount of character development they can do. If they just had a few minutes more per episode, we could have gotten a lot more mileage out of the Zaheer's crew. And I loved his crew for what we got out of them. It'd be amazing to see what a show created exclusively for online would have come up with since it wouldn't be bound by scheduling restraints.
 
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