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I liked the
poison scene visually where Korra faces all the things that have dogged her time as Avatar. It could have been cheesy but I liked it.

Did anyone here find it cheesy or did everyone like it for the most part?
 
Yukiko said:
I liked the
poison scene visually where Korra faces all the things that have dogged her time as Avatar. It could have been cheesy but I liked it.

Did anyone here find it cheesy or did everyone like it for the most part?
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I loved the animation. Korranation has the three gifs
SPOILER(?): http://korranation.tumblr.com/

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Funny thing, what do you think P'li would've turned into if she were still there. Varrick?
 
Satch said:
Asami helped Korra get dressed
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which means she saw Korra naked
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Asami is there for Korra if she needs to talk... or other stuff
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Yukiko said:
I liked the
poison scene visually where Korra faces all the things that have dogged her time as Avatar. It could have been cheesy but I liked it.

Did anyone here find it cheesy or did everyone like it for the most part?
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Didn't find it cheesy, but for a split second I thought Zaheer was actually Amon and they were going that route.
 
Tuck said:
Season 2 > 3 had a solid amount of continuity between them, so I don't mind the villain per season. But they should have and could have made season 1 flow better into season 2 especially since there was a lot left unresolved and especially because korra should not have gotten her powers back at the end.

Season 2 could have been infinitely better than it was, even if I did enjoy it enough.
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There was no excuse for the lack of transition either. We all know that Season 1 was the way it was because the writers thought it was going to be a 1 season series. But once they knew it was going to be more they had the time to readjust and deal with the issues.

It feels like the writers went out of their way to almost reboot the series with Book 2. Which is all the more stranger when Book 3 has made attempts to bridge seasons and the ending has left it open to more continuity. This is like a story of two series. Where book 3 and 4 feels like a different show.
 
Tenzin hit her right where it hurts. Ouch. By proclaiming that the air nomads will act as the substitute Avatar, I think the part where Amon, Unaloq and Vaatu telling her that she is not needed anymore has become a reality. So next season might be Korra finding her place in the world.

What interests me most is that if we consider anarchy to be the natural order, then Korra is now in an state where the natural order is lessening her existence in the world. Ergo, the physical state of her isn't the serious part but the mental state is what's eating her alive i think.

Speculation: Korra might end up reaching enlightenment in the next season and obtain power in exchange for her worldly desires. Ergo, she will be the first avatar to reach enlightenment.

More on this not very coherent post later.
 
Yukiko said:
Yeah I can agree with this. But for those of you that didn't love the finale (or weren't satisfied), do you at least agree that it was a pretty good finale for what they are capable of (with this format)? I mean, at least IMO it was superior to Korra Book 1 and 2 finale. And while I'm guessing you guys won't agree with me, I actually liked it more than some of the ATLA finale's (mostly the choreography and the set up of the situations). Although I'm more and more inclined to agree with you guys, that a lot of the character/plot moments do feel shallow when you look past the surface. As I said in my initial post for instance:
the Zaheer + P'Li felt shallow as did our understanding of Zaheer's deep commitment to his philosophies.

I guess all things aside, I still think these were great from an entertainment perspective.
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I liked book 1 of korra. It felt like it had direction the most of the 3 books. Its finale execution was just flawed. This was the best finale tho. They just have problems handling handling the end game of villians
 
Yukiko said:
I liked the
poison scene visually where Korra faces all the things that have dogged her time as Avatar. It could have been cheesy but I liked it.

Did anyone here find it cheesy or did everyone like it for the most part?
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I thought it was great. A nice way to tie in the previous seasons.
Also, Korrasami is inching closer to being real. It would fucking blow my mind if they actually did it.
 
frostshade said:
Tenzin hit her right where it hurts. Ouch. By proclaiming that the air nomads will act as the substitute Avatar, I think the part where Amon, Unaloq and Vaatu telling her that she is not needed anymore has become a reality. So next season might be Korra finding her place in the world.

What interests me most is that if we consider anarchy to be the natural order, then Korra is now in an state where the natural order is lessening her existence in the world. Ergo, the physical state of her isn't the serious part but the mental state is what's eating her alive i think.

Speculation: Korra might end up reaching enlightenment in the next season and obtain power in exchange for her worldly desires. Ergo, she will be the first avatar to reach enlightenment.

More on this not very coherent post later.
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she needs a REAL job

or a hobby, like arts and crafts
 
Yukiko said:
I liked the
poison scene visually where Korra faces all the things that have dogged her time as Avatar. It could have been cheesy but I liked it.

Did anyone here find it cheesy or did everyone like it for the most part?
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Quite liked it especially in just how disturbing it was in the way the villains appeared and a nice way to show off the villains Korra has defeated in previous Books.
Ugh at the sound design for Ghazans neck twisting to become Unalaq, creeps me out.

Chariot said:
I loved the animation. Korranation has the three gifs
SPOILER(?): http://korranation.tumblr.com/

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Funny thing, what do you think P'li would've turned into if she were still there. Varrick?
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Maybe Tarrlok, he was a pretty decent villain.
 
DragonKnight said:
I dont age is what people are having issue with.
She claims she can do everything her father can it would have to nice to see it...like ever. And in three seasona we havent seen anything to suggest airbending mastery. Hell. Zaheer got airbending outta nowhere and seems leagues above everyone except tenzin. What they should have done make jinora fight against zaheer instead of tenzin. I wouldnt have had a problem with the ending if this was the case.
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Master doesn't mean better than every other master or better than everyone else. It does mean better than most benders of their element, and Jinora is. Jinora doesn't have to fight as well as Zaheer just to make her a Master.

Not every Airbending master we saw in Aang's flashbacks were as powerful as Gyatso, and Gyatso wasn't as powerful as other airbending masters or Aang.
 
I loved the finale. Don't really want to go into detail but I felt it was a perfect end to the season and actually felt like there was some real danger, and it had lasting consequences. The fights and music were top notch too.

Really looking forward to the fourth season.
 
Just watched it. Ending was pretty weird with the way Korra looked and the final shot before the credits.

Can't tell if she's happy or sad
 
I really enjoyed this finale. In fact I really loved this season.
The Zaheer vs. Korra fight in the air might be my favorite fight in the whole season. Such a great callback to the Aang vs. Ozai fight. I found it funny who Mako just remembered that he had lighningbending to use against a waterbending opponent and how Bolin could match Ghazan even after jus learning lavabending but whatever. As someone posted before, I really liked how multiple characters were able to shine in compared to a master prior to this episode. The scene where Korra was hallucinating the old villains was especially well done. Seeing Zaheer and his gang transform into the old antagonists really amplified the magnitude of the situation when looking back at it all. The final scenes of this episode were especially heartwarming. The call back to Aang with Jinora being a master and shaven and seeing Korra in such a fragile state definitely pulls out your emotions. I think the fact that for once the threat was both spiritual and physical made this finale feel bigger than the previous two. Overall this was a solid episode to end the season on and I eagerly await whatever plans the Red Lotus for the world.
 
Joeytj said:
Master doesn't mean better than every other master or better than everyone else. It does mean better than most benders of their element, and Jinora is. Jinora doesn't have to fight as well as Zaheer just to make her a Master.

Not every Airbending master we saw in Aang's flashbacks were as powerful as Gyatso, and Gyatso wasn't as powerful as other airbending masters or Aang.
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I think we are arguing technicalities here. The real issue is from a character/story presentation. As an audience we are told to believe she is a master yet we never get to see it. At best the Astral projection stuff was huge, but that never felt built up to or even really all that logical to begin with.

I think technically Jinora probably qualifies. Just would have been nice to see it developed better over the 3 seasons instead of being told.
Her leadership when fighting Zaheer was really cool though. First time I felt Jinora organically helped out in a big way and it didn't feel forced (lol book 2s finale). But I never personally felt her actions in past seasons showed her as a master. It felt more like she was Tenzins best student.
 
Crewnh said:
Of course it could have happened. They didn't need to write a completely self contained season. They didn't need to kill off Amon. They didn't need to give Korra back all of her bending. They didn't need to give her control of the Avatar state.

The original Avatar series was only picked up for 12 episodes and would have ended on "The Storm" had Nickeldeon not picked it up for three seasons as it was airing. They still wrote it as if they were going to get those episodes anyway.
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Yes, they did. It wasn't always a 4 season show. Once upon a time it was a 12 episode miniseries and that was it. Why would they write an entire series if all they had at the time was 12 episodes?

And Avatar was NOT picked up for 12 episodes. It was made and planned to be 3 seasons from the beginning, but they didn't know if it would live past The Blue Spirit. My source is the dvd commentary. On the other hand, Korra was specifically made for 12 episodes from the beginning.
 
Legend of Korra Season 3, Episodes 12 and 13

I think we can call this season truly the redemption of the Legend of Korra. At long last this series has realized some of the wasted potential. I am looking very forward to Book 4 if it happens.
 
Holy. Fucking. Shit.

That was fucking incredible. Season 3 really redeemed the show in my eyes. It turns out that airbender training episode actually paid off haha.

Crazy theory time

I think korra was crying at the end because she is the only one that knows the avatar cycle is broken. I think her "death" ended it. Ya, ya, i know the same shit happened to aang, but maybe the writers decided to actually do it this time because of... reasons or something. I mean, tenzin basically announced that the new air nation would be a group dedicated to performing the avatar's job all around the world. So is an avatar really needed at this point?
 
ObbyDent said:
Yes, they did. It wasn't always a 4 season show. Once upon a time it was a 12 episode miniseries and that was it. Why would they write an entire series if all they had at the time was 12 episodes?

And Avatar was NOT picked up for 12 episodes. It was made and planned to be 3 seasons from the beginning, but they didn't know if it would live past The Blue Spirit. My source is the dvd commentary. On the other hand, Korra was specifically made for 12 episodes from the beginning.
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Yep. Still doesn't excuse how they didn't readjust and bridge seasons better after the fact. They had the time to deal with Book 1s self contained ending. And I dont think they did a great job in that regard.
 
Yukiko said:
I think we are arguing technicalities here. The real issue is from a character/story presentation. As an audience we are told to believe she is a master yet we never get to see it. At best the Astral projection stuff was huge, but that never felt built up to or even really all that logical to begin with.

I think technically Jinora probably qualifies. Just would have been nice to see it developed better over the 3 seasons instead of being told.
Her leadership when fighting Zaheer was really cool though. First time I felt Jinora organically helped out in a big way and it didn't feel forced (lol book 2s finale). But I never personally felt her actions in past seasons showed her as a master. It felt more like she was Tenzins best student.
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In a world where you have more and more air benders showing up... regardless if she is truly worthy to be a master, she is the closest one to being one and needed to become one to help raise a new generation of air benders... Tenzin can't do it all alone.
 
Pappasman said:
Holy. Fucking. Shit.

That was fucking incredible. Season 3 really redeemed the show in my eyes. It turns out that airbender training episode actually paid off haha.

Crazy theory time

I think korra was crying at the end because she is the only one that knows the avatar cycle is broken. I think her "death" ended it. Ya, ya, i know the same shit happened to aang, but maybe the writers decided to actually do it this time because of... reasons or something. I mean, tenzin basically announced that the new air nation would be a group dedicated to performing the avatar's job all around the world. So is an avatar really needed at this point.
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Damn this would be really really good.
 
DragonKnight said:
But zaheers motivations contradict themselves given that the avatar is in opposition to such leadership and forced governance. See roku and koyoshi(sp?) The avatar doesnt roam the world telling people what to do. In fact, zaheer is essentially becoming his own enemy. What if the people want an elected leader? Would he kill and strike down such a person? If so, he would be imposing his own will. He could have just as easily convinced people that they did not need leaders without going to the chaos route. Brings brings fear and in times of fear people give up their freedoms for order.

Edit: when avatar yangchen was around peoole feared and respected her so much that there was peace for 200 years after she died. Im guessing zaheer would have tried to taken her out as well. Thankfully, yangchen wasnt a bitch ass avatar and would have destroyed him.

Zaheer was trying to be robin hood accept he was trying to steal from the wrong people. Also we never were given a reason as to why he believed this stuff in the first place which is disappointing.
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I know I'm a few pages behind, but there is a reason anarchist having really convinced much of the world, and the same goes to other extreme ideologies. They always fall apart at some point, because they are by nature contradictory. That Zaheer has a point doesn't mean he is totally right, but extremist believe that they are and that is what makes them antagonist in most stories.
 
zulux21 said:
In a world where you have more and more air benders showing up... regardless if she is truly worthy to be a master, she is the closest one to being one and needed to become one to help raise a new generation of air benders... Tenzin can't do it all alone.
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Yeah. Plus it feels like to a certain degree this sort of thing is flexible and up to the discretion of the person making that qualification judgment.

Of course there is tradition and past requirements (that we dont know the specifics of), but it does feel mostly subjective in this situation.
 
Incredie finale, and of everything that the episode contained I was extremely pleased they finally brought up to the forefront something that's been bugging me since season 1, and that's the question of What is the purpose of the Avatar in this modern day world anymore? No one really wants her around, and the world seems to handle itself just fine. It's an age old question explored like Watchmen or the Incredibles did. I can't wait to see what Korra will do next season.
 
Yukiko said:
Yeah I can agree with this. But for those of you that didn't love the finale (or weren't satisfied), do you at least agree that it was a pretty good finale for what they are capable of (with this format)? I mean, at least IMO it was superior to Korra Book 1 and 2 finale. And while I'm guessing you guys won't agree with me, I actually liked it more than some of the ATLA finale's (mostly the choreography and the set up of the situations). Although I'm more and more inclined to agree with you guys, that a lot of the character/plot moments do feel shallow when you look past the surface. As I said in my initial post for instance:
the Zaheer + P'Li felt shallow as did our understanding of Zaheer's deep commitment to his philosophies.

I guess all things aside, I still think these were great from an entertainment perspective.
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Objectively, it was probably the best done finale. Amazing action, all the characters had a role, no deus ex machina.

Subjectively, I think preferred season 2s finale. I know some people hated the giant spirit fight, and certainly I think it could have been displayed better. But it was epic as fuck, highly entertaining and had a great ending. That's just me though. I can totally see why someone would prefer season 3s finale.

Season 1s finale was ruined by the last ten seconds, and even then amons back story could have been done much better, especially had it been ties into the red lotus storyline..
 
In order for Korra to truly convince me it's a worthy TLA sequel is for Korra
to not magically heal from her paralysis, but rather take the opportunity to refocus what actually means to be an Avatar, what her role on the modern world is, and how being a peacekeeper is not an strictly physical attribute, but that she can help the world even being disabled. I think I'd be great if they ar least finished her series by giving us a better understandind of Korra herself.
 
Wow, I really enjoyed those last two episodes. It's nice that it ended with a mixed set of emotions for the season 3 finale.

I do agree about Mako never thought of using his lighting on the armless water bender before (and its not like anyone in Zaheer's gang could redirect it anyway), but it was still a cool way to take her down, as was the case with Zaheer's lover. Obviously, Korra should have died from absorbing mercury into her body, but at least she still has to endure the consequences for the risk she took in trying to settle things with Zaheer. I really hate it when writers try to minimize the significance of a character's courage and sacrifice. I would have liked to see Zaheer suffer more after learning that his lover was killed, but perhaps there will be some more time for that while he remains back in prison.

Overall, I was very pleased by the episodes. Everyone believing Bolin could lava bend sure were right about that! I kind of want Korra's physical and mental condition to at least last for several months, so that the other characters can have some time to shine in the spotlight while Korra comes to realize what it means to be an Avatar in ways she never experienced before and neither did Aang for that matter. It will be interesting if she does make a full recover but at least make a more natural recovery and not one solved quickly by bending magical healing. Lastly, yeah, Korra looked sad in the final shot because she's depressed (as anyone in her shoes would be ), but just because she didn't physically smile doesn't mean she isn't happy about the outcome of taking down Zaheer and the new progress being made with the Air benders.
 
Tuck said:
Objectively, it was probably the best done finale. Amazing action, all the characters had a role, no deus ex machina.

Subjectively, I think preferred season 2s finale. I know some people hated the giant spirit fight, and certainly I think it could have been displayed better. But it was epic as fuck, highly entertaining and had a great ending. That's just me though. I can totally see why someone would prefer season 3s finale.

Season 1s finale was ruined by the last ten seconds, and even then amons back story could have been done much better, especially had it been ties into the red lotus storyline..
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Wow you liked Book 2`s finale more huh. Very interesting. I thought the ending was too busy personally. Like logic and technical writing aside, the action felt dragged on too long so the tension dissolved and was more frustration (Korra getting the upper hand and then failing, only to get the upper hand only to fail again...became tedious). Doesn't help that we already had this fight before with Wan and it was done better. Less cluttered and not as confusing. It felt like they piled on as much as they could to heighten a sense of doom, without taking responsibility to get themselves out of the despair they hammered Korra into.

Just my subjective opinion of course. I felt this finale was more entertaining as it had better pacing and better set up. The tension was more tangible. Book 2`s finale was an example of a spectacle being too loud and big that it became a blinding assault on the senses. But just how I feel.

Glad you liked Book 2 finale though. I really wish I did.
 
Xpike said:
In order for Korra to truly convince me it's a worthy TLA sequel is for Korra
to not magically heal from her paralysis, but rather take the opportunity to refocus what actually means to be an Avatar, what her role on the modern world is, and how being a peacekeeper is not an strictly physical attribute, but that she can help the world even being disabled. I think I'd be great if they ar least finished her series by giving us a better understandind of Korra herself.
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she would have to have paralysis first. We didn't get any sort of acknowledgement she was paralyzed, just that she is still severely weakened from the poison and thus likely has trouble walking on her own. Time alone should fix her body.
 
Htown said:
RIP
Jinora's hair
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Naw, I'm glad they did it. It sounds too much of a "thing" to abandon something that should happen out of tradition (ie; shaved head) in the name of making a female 'aesthetically appealing'. Good for her; she really wanted this, I doubt losing her locks was a big deal (and I thought the females grow their hair back anyways? Wasn't the previous air avatar a lady with some locks....and a high hair line?)

Great episodes. I really wonder what their new direction will be for next season; but I do like the idea of Korra having to change in a new way. More than "I'm the avatar!" but trying to find new meaning, a meaning for life detached from status.
 
Sketchbag said:
Bolin did suddenly learn how to lava bend. No training at all. At least give us some examples of him trying it or something. Toph learning metal bending showed us her trying and then getting it. They even tell us she was teaching herself sand bending. The problem comes when people just snap into it like how Korra snaps into air bending. I don't care how fast they master it but don't just give it to them without any training beforehand. It's sloppy writing.

Unless Toph Beifong does it.
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it was heavily foreshadowed:

-Taking P'Li down in when the moment really demanded action
-Fighting Ghazan and miserably failing by providing him 'more ammo'
-His multiple failures to metalbend

I think the bigger issue is one of execution. The moment lacked the 'Ooomph' required. But thats it.
 
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