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In the end, I feel like the writers went back and redid the book 1 ending, except right. The philosophical extremist had an understandable position where he was coming from, but he wasn’t wrong because he was actually a hypocrite or just plain evil, but because he took his beliefs beyond the brinks of compassion. This is where an avatar’s understanding should shine through: any peace that is achieved by murdering children is one not worth having. The writing merely faltered in that the writers just sort of assumed the audience would intuitively go with that and perhaps they were correct in that assumption, but the audience isn’t the important part here: It’s Korra. She should have been the one to call Zaheer out on his bullshit as he accomplished his atrocities. She should have given him counter arguments to his philosophy. I suppose it’s in character that Korra wouldn’t be good at it, but she should have had more than one opportunity to try. Otherwise, Zaheer was a fine antagonist. But the other way in which this reminds me of season 1 is that we leave with Korra at her lowest point. The power of the Avatar, upon which she has placed her value all her life, failed her. Neither the 4 bending arts nor the avatar state itself could avail her, even though she was the stronger of the two. It was her family, Jinora and the air bending nation she brought into the world that saved her in the end. Victory was not achieved through power, but by the compassion they had for Korra as a person and the balance that was brought by Korra as the Avatar. If there is any lesson on what it means to be the avatar that is successfully delivered, it is here. I can only imagine she thinks back to that moment, at that cliff, and laughs at her past self, thinking losing air was the lowest point she could reach. And this time, there is no magical deus ex machine to save her from it. No, having truly hit bottom, now it is up to her to crawl back up. And if there is anything to look forward to in season 4, it’s Korra finally becoming the avatar she was meant to be, and bringing herself back from the brink.

Edit: Goddammit, I really need to look at the count on a page before I make my posts :/
While I don't agree with every point you made in your post, I do agree with the final paragraph - very much so. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
 
While it's nice to see Bolin discover a new skill, and a unique one at that, I wish they would have given some insight of how he did it. Toph discovering metalbanding for instance was one of my favorite moments of the TLA because it showed her truly getting in touch with the earth in the metal and then progressively managing to bend it, with the Guru's words masterfully overlaying what was happening. Zaheer flying had a similar moment. He completely detached himself, achieved true freedom, and then gained the skill. Bolin has no moment like that. He just simplying started bending lava. That's it. Because he had to I guess. Felt less like him truly growing and more like him getting a new powerup at the most convenient time ever. Almost a repeat of the dumb way Korra unlocked airbending. Well okay, not that bad, but close. And then there's Bolin acting randomly stupid for no reason, but I think that's been covered. Being funny is one thing, acting like a completely brainless idiot during a serious moment is another.

I understand that Bolin got the upgrade out of seemingly nowhere, but people are making it out to be like lavabending it's the same as metal bending discovery, and it's not. Toph and gang lived in a world where technological advancement was starting but everything was still nowhere near as mechanic as Korra's world. Most of the technology was created by that guy who lived with the wheel chair son.

Most people couldn't figure out metal bending because they were going at it completely wrong. If anybody was going to discover metalbending it makes complete sense that the blind earth bending master who learned from the badger mole and sees with vibrations discovers that metal bending works by moving the earth particles still within the metal (or w/e reasoning they used). Nobody had done it before because it simply did not exist because nobody had figured it out PLUS it is a unique ability that only a few people have the talent to do, if you don't have the talent you can't metal bend. Period.

Lava bending has been around for ages. We know of at least 3 instances of incarnations of avatars that have lava bended (Kyoshi, Roku, unnamed fire bending avatar). That's at the very least 400 years since it's discovery but probably more considering the cycle and the minimum separation between each incarnation of avatar. Lava bending already existed, the fact nobody used it to this date is unknown. My guess is that only avatars were documented in using them and it was probably not properly documented at that. No sane person would see flowing lava and attempt to run to it and bend it. You'd GTFO of the way. Combine this with a mixture of having the innate talent (once again just like with lightning bending and metal bending) and you're left with a lot of factors that make the likelyhood that lava bending would be used by many earthbenders very small statistically.

It'd be nice to see how Ghazan discovered he had the talent to lava bend, because we knew in the universe it already existed and the fact water benders can make ice, mist/fog and probably steam means that heating up your element is not unheard of.

More to the point though, Bolin didn't make his own lava. He always used lava that was already around. He had to do something when they were about to get killed by Ghazan's lava flow, so he attempted to bend it and succesfully lifted it up and cooled it down making a wall. Not many earthbenders would ever attempt something like this because statistically you would need to be near flowing lava and attempt to bend it instead of run away or making it flow somewhere else. Factors in the equation.

If they continue with the fact he's a lavabender, which they should since Ghazan is supposedly dead and he might be the one to spread the word, he'll probably have to figure out how to make his own lava like Ghazan did.

Was it an ass-pull? Oh yes. But so was the blind girl realizing she can metal bend because all these factors coincided for her to be the one to realize it and spread the word. The difference with Bolin is that he probably only had the factor of the talent that chances are plenty of earthbenders have, they just don't know it because they weren't in the situation.
 
Well…there hasn’t been a finale that depressing since Book 2: Earth.

I was going to make an analysis of the episode in general, but I’ll save that for a later post, because I started writing about Korra’s journey, the primary thing that matters, and before I knew it, I reached 1500 words. And there is more to cover. The mechanics of the final battle, JInora and kai, Bolin and Mako….but for now, for the sake of brevity, such as it is, lets just look at Korra.

I think we all have made it very clear that we had issues with her from the start, issues that only grew as her arrogance and bullying did. My greatest problem with Book 1 is that at the end of it, Korra had learned nothing of what it means to truly be the avatar except that she gets to beat the bad guy. In Book 2, she grew even more angry and temperamental, wanting to solve all problems with violence. Her solutions were handed to her on a silver platter from the gods on high known as the writers, and she never actually had to improve to ‘win’ in the eyes of herself and the cast at large. She didn’t learn Air and Spirit, as the titles of the books suggested she would. She was given them.

So here we are at change, and has she learned change? Because this was, by far, the most competently written season. And yet….I have to say, no, she didn’t. The first episode of the season is the first one that has her actually learn and develop her character, where she encountered the first problem she didn’t solve with violence, and when she was ousted from the city, she rolled with the punches on the for once wise advise from Tenzin. She didn’t take it as an affront, but merely a change, and remained optimistic about the next step in her journey.

After that, she didn’t do too much of anything. She tried recruiting some airbenders, with her means of violence, which was typical of her, but at the same time understandable in her situation and…well, rome wasn’t built in a day. Other than that, she just chilled around while they went on their mission, visited the metal city, until Zaheer tried (and failed to capture her). After that, she made the decision to go after him herself. While not rash as she had good reasoning for it, I feel this is her falling into her old patterns again…until she spoke to Zaheer.

He told her about his philosophy of anarchy, and for the first time, she couldn’t simply categorize her enemy as simple ‘The bad guy’. He was not after personal power, nor a hypocrite, nor did he try to excuse his actions with some sob story of injustice. He owned
his actions because he lived his ideals, and thought that he was making the world a better place for them. Shades of grey erupted in Korra’s previously black and white mindset, and did not have much of a response except to attempt to weakly reason with Zaheer.

She told him that he was wrong in his belief that chaos is the true order of things, but didn’t offer any reasons as to why that is. So poorly rehearsed in her arguments was she that she didn’t seem to realize that just telling a zealot he is wrong without so much as a counter argument is not going to work.

Unfortunately, that’s where their interaction ended. After that, they only communicated under terms of aggression and hostage negociation. Zaheer calls her to threaten the lives of her airbending family. Korra and Zaheer argue over the hostage exchange. And then Korra threatens to kill him as he poisons her.

There is no more communication between them than that, and therein lies the series greatest flaw. They build up this glorious villain. Finally, an antagonist that can truly challenge Korra’s fundamental beliefs on what an avatar is, and they don’t use him as much except an airbender on steroids.

Which is still better than how things ended with Amon and Unalaq, as far as I’m concerned. Unalaq was lol levels of awful, this is known. People can defend Amon on the basis that he atleast had an interesting premise, but he didn’t end up doing anything with it. Zaheer, however, took what he had and did something that no other villain before him has done: He has humbled Korra.

As I said, Korra’s world view before was that she was essentially a superhero. She comes in, kicks whatever ass needs to be kicked, saves the day, the rest works itself out, happy ending. Zaheer first shatters this world view by stating his (in his eyes) altruistic goals, which prompts Korra to stop trying to provoke him into a fight and instead make peace with him. But this finale broke something even more fundamental about Korra. Her belief that the good guys win. Or rather, that she wins. Her being the avatar has been the bedrock of her confidence as a person. Book 1 tried to undermine this by taking her away her powers, but instead it reinforced it by giving them back when she decided she was a worthless person if she couldn’t throw around fire or rocks when she wanted.

Zaheer, for lack of a better word, beat her. Not even through physical might, because anyone with eyes could see Korra was the superior fighter in the avatar state, though he did hold his own. No, he first beat her by drugging her in the Metal City, then by holding a knife to the throats of children before chaining her, and then he poisoned her. She brought down on him all her strength, the full reach of the power of the avatar, and she won because she had good friends watching her back.

The season ends with her in a wheelchair, still in recovery, 2 weeks after the event. Everyone is kind and appreciate of her, but she finds the words hollow and comforts empty, genuine as they might be. It brings back to mind her earlier lesson from tenzin: Change doesn’t have to be bad. Take it as it comes. Roll with the punches. But human beings simply aren’t capable of internalizing things quick and easy after living a life doing the opposite. It may be wise and correct, but we simply don’t work that way.

In the end, I feel like the writers went back and redid the book 1 ending, except right. The philosophical extremist had an understandable position where he was coming from, but he wasn’t wrong because he was actually a hypocrite or just plain evil, but because he took his beliefs beyond the brinks of compassion. This is where an avatar’s understanding should shine through: any peace that is achieved by murdering children is one not worth having. The writing merely faltered in that the writers just sort of assumed the audience would intuitively go with that and perhaps they were correct in that assumption, but the audience isn’t the important part here: It’s Korra. She should have been the one to call Zaheer out on his bullshit as he accomplished his atrocities. She should have given him counter arguments to his philosophy. I suppose it’s in character that Korra wouldn’t be good at it, but she should have had more than one opportunity to try. Otherwise, Zaheer was a fine antagonist. But the other way in which this reminds me of season 1 is that we leave with Korra at her lowest point. The power of the Avatar, upon which she has placed her value all her life, failed her. Neither the 4 bending arts nor the avatar state itself could avail her, even though she was the stronger of the two. It was her family, Jinora and the air bending nation she brought into the world that saved her in the end. Victory was not achieved through power, but by the compassion they had for Korra as a person and the balance that was brought by Korra as the Avatar. If there is any lesson on what it means to be the avatar that is successfully delivered, it is here. I can only imagine she thinks back to that moment, at that cliff, and laughs at her past self, thinking losing air was the lowest point she could reach. And this time, there is no magical deus ex machine to save her from it. No, having truly hit bottom, now it is up to her to crawl back up. And if there is anything to look forward to in season 4, it’s Korra finally becoming the avatar she was meant to be, and bringing herself back from the brink.

Edit: Goddammit, I really need to look at the count on a page before I make my posts :/

Yeah. that's right, I'm quoting myself for the new page, I don't give a shit
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Unfortunately, that’s where their interaction ended. After that, they only communicated under terms of aggression and hostage negociation. Zaheer calls her to threaten the lives of her airbending family. Korra and Zaheer argue over the hostage exchange. And then Korra threatens to kill him as he poisons her.

There is no more communication between them than that, and therein lies the series greatest flaw. They build up this glorious villain. Finally, an antagonist that can truly challenge Korra’s fundamental beliefs on what an avatar is, and they don’t use him as much except an airbender on steroids.

I don't think this is unfortunate at all. I think the alternative, where they actually hash things out debate style and Korra can come up with any kind of cohesive thesis for why Zaheer is wrong, would have rung hollow and flat. Zaheer's purpose in the story they seem to be telling (which, btw, I agree is mostly just a more competent version of what they seem to have been going for in season 1) is as a catalyst for the internal struggle Korra is going to go through to find relevance in a world that's perhaps moving past having a place for the Avatar.

He raised the issue, but he's a zealot and no rational argument will convince him he's wrong. And doubly so because he may very well be right.

Now, I'm going to be blunt and say that I expect them to drop this fantastic ball they stumbled on next season, but I definitely think they set it up very well, and I don't think only giving Zaheer and Korra one encounter in which they seriously consider each others' sides is a fumble on the path to it. Zaheer's relevance is minimal now that the seed of doubt is planted. This is Korra's story, not Zaheer's.
 
I don't think this is unfortunate at all. I think the alternative, where they actually hash things out debate style and Korra can come up with any kind of cohesive thesis for why Zaheer is wrong, would have rung hollow and flat. Zaheer's purpose in the story they seem to be telling (which, btw, I agree is mostly just a more competent version of what they seem to have been going for in season 1) is as a catalyst for the internal struggle Korra is going to go through to find relevance in a world that's perhaps moving past having a place for the Avatar.

He raised the issue, but he's a zealot and no rational argument will convince him he's wrong. And doubly so because he may very well be right.

Now, I'm going to be blunt and say that I expect them to drop this fantastic ball they stumbled on next season, but I definitely think they set it up very well, and I don't think only giving Zaheer and Korra one encounter in which they seriously consider each others' sides is a fumble on the path to it. Zaheer's relevance is minimal now that the seed of doubt is planted. This is Korra's story, not Zaheer's.

Well, my point for that wasn't that Zaheer was going to be talked out of it. I agree, he is far too ingrained in his beliefs. My point was that 1. The show should not assume that the audience will just see anarchy as inherently insane. Give both points of view. It doesn't even have to portray him as definitely in the wrong, but give the protagonists a philosophical standing as well, a reason for why Zaheer is wrong before he starts kicking dogs and eating babies to do it. And 2. Korra should engage in it because this would be her growing her character. For this purpose, she doesn't even have to talk to Zaheer, but maybe Tenzin who talks to her about how Zaheer may have a point, but also provides counterpoints for why he's wrong. Korra needs to learn to not solve everything with her fists. She started this in this season by learning fists are not appropriate for all situations, but still does not have the discourse necessary to substitute for them.
 
So im curious what direction they will go in for Book 4. Perhaps they will title it Growth. In one of Zaheer's speeches he mentioned to obtain Growth there has to be Change or something to that extent. Book 3 represented change in a lot of ways even in the ending. I wonder if they will still go for a big bad villian next season. After everything the past 3 books, another big bad would feel redundant. Im not sure how they could up the ante. The final battle mirrored Aang vs. Ozai in a lot of ways to me. It'd be interesting if there wasnt a big bad external enemy and more of an interpersonal journey for Korra and her finding her place in the new world. There could still be conflict about the earth kingdom, the spirits vs. humans and potentially other Red Lotus members. I also thought it was interesting how Book 2 took place a lot in the Water Tribes and Book 3 took place a lot in the Earth Kingdom. Id love for some focus to be on the fire kingdom. I felt they fleshed out all the other ATLA member's legacy except for Zuko and Sokka. They even did some hints with Zuko mentioning his daughter and his shock about Iroh. Id love for part of the journey for Book 4 explore that area. Iroh could provide insight and help guide Korra.

I also hope she keeps that outfit more often.
 
Inb4 Zaheer knows how to enduce the Avatar state from studying the great airbending philosopher Guru Pathik

No one's gonna give me props for my psychic abilities? That was July 1st too, hehe. (even though I misspelled 'induce'...(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
 
Korra is amazing.
Hard to find fleshed out female characters in anime that don't constantly follow the stereotypical tropes, one dimensional or damsel in distress.
 
I don't know. I feel at this point, after seeing Korra in that wheelchair, she finally has a chance to change. For a lot of the same reasons Veelk gives.

Her basic tenets were broken. She was practically useless against Zaheer and for once the world didn't magically endow her with the strength to punch the ever loving shit out of her enemy. And this conclusion, especially the fact that Korra wasn't the one to conclude it is telling. Zaheer might have been partially right. The world is changing. Moving past an age where it needs the avatar for each and every conflict, and people instead learn to resolve their own problems.

So Korra has to reevaluate her own worth. Her identity is synonymous with the avatar but it doesn't have to be all she is. Although I think Korra makes an awful avatar, I like her as a character.
 
So I just thought about something.


Remember Ryu? The airbender who couldn't care about anything and probably has no earthly attachments?

Will he become the next flying airbender?
 
So I just thought about something.


Remember Ryu? The airbender who couldn't care about anything and probably has no earthly attachments?

Will he become the next flying airbender?

Ryu and Otaku are going to go and save the world in Book 4 and defeat Black Lotus a splinter group from Red Lotus.

Can we talk about how scary Ming Hua was?

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Is there anywhere else this is uploaded? Youtube version is region blocked as well.

Doesn't appear so at the moment for non US viewers, could always use hola to unlock it on youtube maybe?
 
It would have been more powerful if Korra was a mute too.. make the show better as well..

Ok .. I'm just going to come out and say this, because its been on my mind since the beginning.

A lot of the ill feelings towards Korra has very little to do with her personality and a lot to do with her sex.

There I said it.
 
Ok .. I'm just going to come out and say this, because its been on my mind since the beginning.

A lot of the ill feelings towards Korra has very little to do with her personality and a lot to do with her sex.

There I said it.

Eh. I had no problems with her in season 1 and 3. But season 2 had her borderline mentally unstable at parts.
 
Ok .. I'm just going to come out and say this, because its been on my mind since the beginning.

A lot of the ill feelings towards Korra has very little to do with her personality and a lot to do with her sex.

There I said it.

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I'm not even going to give this out of left field statement a proper answer considering how this thread has been filled with nothing but praise and hopes for Asami, hate for Mako and recently Bolin, hate on Kai for stealing the thunder of Jinora and love for Lin, and one of the more promiment members in the thread, who is a woman, has written plenty on why Korra was not a character she liked. But yes it's because she has a vagina. That's why. LAWL.
 
Eh. I had no problems with her in season 1 and 3. But season 2 had her borderline mentally unstable at parts.

What? Your projecting dude. Korra a teenager that has the weight of the world on her shoulders. In many ways Korras challenges have been way harder, tougher and more complicated then Aangs ever was.
 
Doesn't appear so at the moment for non US viewers, could always use hola to unlock it on youtube maybe?

Tried and it doesn't work. Can't download it either. Why do you hate Canada so much Nick?

Ok .. I'm just going to come out and say this, because its been on my mind since the beginning.

A lot of the ill feelings towards Korra has very little to do with her personality and a lot to do with her sex.

There I said it.

huh
 
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I'm not even going to make this out of left field statement a proper answer considering how this thread has been filled with nothing but praise and hopes for Asami, hate for Mako and recently Bolin, and love for Lin, and one of the more promiment members in the thread, who is a woman, has written plenty on why Korra was not a good character. But yes it's because she has a vagina. That's why. LAWL.

The constant need to see Korra humbled is IMO steeped in sexism.

Yes Korra is brash, hotheaded and a bit arrogant. But that was made clean for scene one.

But she being female with all of those trats is off putting to a lot of the male viewers. And I'm not JUST talking about this thread or just Gaf, but reaction to Korra in General.
 
What? Your projecting dude. Korra a teenager that has the weight of the world on her shoulders. In many ways Korras challenges have been way harder, tougher and more complicated then Aangs ever was.

I don't even know why I responded. lol.

I don't think anyone has a problem with her gender. People have problems when the character is downright unlikable in terms on personality (threatening judges...etc)
 
Ok .. I'm just going to come out and say this, because its been on my mind since the beginning.

A lot of the ill feelings towards Korra has very little to do with her personality and a lot to do with her sex.

There I said it.

Some, to an extent. I still see people in threads attacking her for losing her connection with her past lives. That loss was something done to her and it's victim blaming pure and simple. It's not something people do conciously either. Many times, they don't realize they put a double standard on females to act in a more moral way than male counterparts. See every skylar white debate ever.

But there is plenty to dislike about Korra as her own character.
 
I don't even know why I responded. lol.

I don't think anyone has a problem with her gender. People have problems when the character is downright unlikable in terms on personality (threatening judges...etc)

I find her flawed and complicated. But that what makes her interesting. I liked Aang but Korra is a much more interesting to watch.
 
The constant need to see Korra humbled is IMO steeped in sexism.

Yes Korra is brash, hotheaded and a bit arrogant. But that was made clean for scene one.

But she being female with all of those trats is off putting to a lot of the male viewers. And I'm not JUST talking about this thread or just Gaf, but reaction to Korra in General.

Any need to see her humbled earlier in the seasons by some is because she had massive anger issues and was extremely cocky, not to mention everything she did was amazing while everybody else in the krew did little outside of defeat henchmen, for example. If you're going to focus on the extremely few people here who are still making negative comments like "I hope Korra had died" and making these encompassing statements then you need to look at the opposite. Are you sure you aren't overly defending her because she's a girl? This argument works both ways. Disliking a character because of reasons the party has should be considered regardless of sex. Look at Zuko and how much some hated his 'constant whining'. I would rather this discussion not start here tbh, topics like these tend to get people banned.

Every side has their extremists, they should be ignored for the most part.
 
The finale was fantastic, Book 2: Earth-tier for sure, I liked that long shot of Zaheer and Korra flying. And yeah, new earthbender security girl is Red Lotus as fuck. Ive really liked Korra as a character since she decided to keep both worlds together, there was a level of maturity in that choice and wiliness to accept its consequences, not to mention that cutting her link with the spirits gave more agency to the character.
 
Korra was kind of a bad character in season two, she had her good aspects and bad ones in season one but she was a good main character in this season.
 
Imagine if the main character in ATLA was zuko instead of aang. Thats LOK.

We can sympathize with Zuko though because there are plenty of flashbacks and some episodes focused on his point of view.

But for Korra we always see stuff from the world (prior knowledge from ATLA especially) and others point of view instead of hers. We only see her react instead of seeing justification for the reaction.
 
I've really liked how Korra actually behaves like someone her age and has grown up quickly during this time. Hell, her own current pain comes from understanding what she had to do but the unfairness of it all.
 
The finale was fantastic, Book 2: Earth-tier for sure, I liked that long shot of Zaheer and Korra flying. And yeah, new earthbender security girl is Red Lotus as fuck. Ive really liked Korra as a character since she decided to keep both worlds together, there was a level of maturity in that choice and wiliness to accept its consequences, not to mention that cutting her link with the spirits gave more agency to the character.
Whoah, when did we establish that that security girl was RL? I don't remember any type of giveaway.
 
Does anyone know if they will release another soundtrack?

Jeremy Zuckerman did give a little update about that earlier this year.

The Korra B1 soundtrack has sold really well *for the soundtrack genre* but we need to move a lot more to get a B2...

He did release the cue for the final scene in Book 3 today which is something at least. Still sucks though that its looking unlikely at the moment that an OST will be released for ATLA, Book 2 and Book 3.
https://soundcloud.com/jeremy-zuckerman/service-and-sacrifice
 
Whoah, when did we establish that that security girl was RL? I don't remember any type of giveaway.

People are saying she's Red Lotus because she was given a name and a voice role when she didn't need one, establishing her as a character that might have some importance later on.

But this "everybody is a Red Lotus" mentality needs to stop. She could just as easily become a prominent secondary character that helps out the air benders in their mission. Why would a Red Lotus member not help them out in their mission when she had direct access to take out the Avatar's allies?

It didn't happen with Suyin and Opal people.
 
The finale was fantastic, Book 2: Earth-tier for sure, I liked that long shot of Zaheer and Korra flying. And yeah, new earthbender security girl is Red Lotus as fuck. Ive really liked Korra as a character since she decided to keep both worlds together, there was a level of maturity in that choice and wiliness to accept its consequences, not to mention that cutting her link with the spirits gave more agency to the character.
Metal bender cop being red lotus makes little sense to me. Why would she save Korra's father? Hes a world leader that they want eliminated. Also the Red Lotus was about to finish their task why would she help stop Zaheer. I suppose the red lotus could say that Zaheer was an extremist and that while they held similar beliefs they weren't in on Zaheer's plan.
 
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