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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread XIII: Leak Dynasty

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Molemitts said:
May have been mentioned already but Duck Hunt Dog and Bird reminds me of Banjo-Kazooie. Which makes me sad because of what could have been.
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I can sort of see it, honestly.

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Neoriceisgood said:
I don't usually join the "team x" stuff on any subject, which is probably why you haven't heard/seen me be very outspoken about this on gaf.

I can give your opinion on any particular aspect of it, if you're still doubtful about anything in particular.

But my views are:

1. As a skeptic I find the explanations as to how some evidence must've been faked far more far fetched than the idea of a leak. (e.g. famitsu foresight + tons of coincidence)

2. As an artist I am outright impressed by the model quality of every new model.

a.(Shulk outright looks better than in xenoblade. I don't even like Shulk's design and he looks good here.)

b. Duck hunt dog's "redesign" is extremely well thought out and lovable. visual design was one of my main gripes with DhD and I absolutely love how this version looks. (a big flaw with most fakes isn't model quality, but sheer taste/design.)

c. The rim of the clown car of bowser jr's portrait has very nice glassy texture. I don't know why, but fake renders always fail miserable at glossy textures. That Klonoa fake? The rings look like dull plastic.

3. Just from a historic perspective, a lot of the weird choices in this roster correlate fairly well to the "wtf" discoveries for melee/brawl's rosters. ROB being on Brawl's roster despite being a generic enemy? No faker would do that cause it's stupid and counter-intuitive, that was one of the first signs that made me trust the Brawl roster leak ... fake rosters are always extremely "clean" they lack that "wait what the hell?"-element.


I think it's rubbish to claim 100% certainty about anything just from a scientific standpoint, but the effort required to fake this is a lot more extreme and unlikely
than some ESBR dipsh*t breaking their NDA and snapping 3-4 pictures.
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Exactly how I feel. If I HAD to choose, I'd go with #TeamReal just because I would be happy with it being true and there's something that just feels right about it, but I'm nit dismissing the idea that these could be just really well constructed fakes.
 
Lmao:

Gamefaqs said:
"I want to apologise to MasterLinkX for the way I worded my previous statement, I've discussed with him what I spoke about, and he clarified some things for me:
He was indeed spreading misinformation around at some point, but at no point did I think he had not seen some form of the leaked images, whether it be through the original contact or through any of the people said contact sent the pictures to.

Again, I'm not here to dish out new info, I'm here to clear up info related to what has happened over the week, so I'll keep it breif and simple one last time.

One man sent those pictures to me and some others, those pictures got out to others, and somebody leaked the icons, before another 2 people leaked all the major info properly, excluding the DLC which the poster himself announced fake.
I am a bit upset at MasterLinkX for adding to all this confusion, but I've spoken to him, and he himself has tried to explain to em that he's trying to sort things out too, so I apologise to him for calling him a faker, that was not my intention to simply dismiss him entirely.

I think it's best I stop sending NIE bits of info now, what I wanted to talk about has been said, but clearly more people are just interested in new information than having information clarified.

We know barely any more than you do, we know a few extra modes here and there which I've shown to NIE in good faith he won't leak them out, and they hold all the key info you lot have been missing out on.

We don't know any other characters, including Ridley, Dixie, Mewtwo and the Chorus Kids, I wish I did, but I don't, there's no pics of K. Rool, Trophies, or anything, it's all mainly menu screens and one 8 second video of Shulk's victory screen.

there, you have pretty much all the info we know, enjoy."
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Neoriceisgood said:
I don't usually join the "team x" stuff on any subject, which is probably why you haven't heard/seen me be very outspoken about this on gaf.

I can give your opinion on any particular aspect of it, if you're still doubtful about anything in particular.

But my views are:

1. As a skeptic I find the explanations as to how some evidence must've been faked far more far fetched than the idea of a leak. (e.g. famitsu foresight + tons of coincidence)

2. As an artist I am outright impressed by the model quality of every new model.

a.(Shulk outright looks better than in xenoblade. I don't even like Shulk's design and he looks good here.)

b. Duck hunt dog's "redesign" is extremely well thought out and lovable. visual design was one of my main gripes with DhD and I absolutely love how this version looks. (a big flaw with most fakes isn't model quality, but sheer taste/design.)

c. The rim of the clown car of bowser jr's portrait has very nice glassy texture. I don't know why, but fake renders always fail miserable at glossy textures. That Klonoa fake? The rings look like dull plastic.

3. Just from a historic perspective, a lot of the weird choices in this roster correlate fairly well to the "wtf" discoveries for melee/brawl's rosters. ROB being on Brawl's roster despite being a generic enemy? No faker would do that cause it's stupid and counter-intuitive, that was one of the first signs that made me trust the Brawl roster leak ... fake rosters are always extremely "clean" they lack that "wait what the hell?"-element.


I think it's rubbish to claim 100% certainty about anything just from a scientific standpoint, but the effort required to fake this is a lot more extreme and unlikely
than some ESBR dipsh*t breaking their NDA and snapping 3-4 pictures.
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These are more or less my thoughts as well.
 
Starphoenix said:
It's not fabricated in that regard. There's a reason why a bunch of seemingly unconnected people from various boards (4chan, Smashboards, Gamefaqs and a couple other places) supposedly are attesting to this video that leaked from the ESRB existing, which has been the source of all the screens we've seen thus far. Now, is it possible there is one man just chugging away at Photoshop endlessly creating a portfolio of material to distribute with the intention of creating mass confusion? It's possible, but some of the people who have seen the video, and the time WHEN they did, leaves me at least open to the possibility this is a legitimate leak, even if I am still naturally skeptical.
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Oh, in that case it definitely sounds like bull.

Also, in regards to the bolded, I assume you mean when they say they saw this alleged ESRB video.
 
The Great Gonzales said:
Actually, I think 2 is the most likely explanation. Think about it: the leak emerges with a room from the Tomodachi Life stage that has never been seen before. Then, the very next day, that exact room shows up in the Famitsu magazine. With so many different rooms in the TD stage, what are the odds that that specific room would show up just a day after the leak shows it? I think it's more likely that the leaker saw Famitsu in advance and inserted that room into his leak at the last minute. As BGBW demonstrated, making a grainy, pixelated version of a TD stage is quick work.

Remember a few months ago when another leaker claimed to know some alt costumes, like Bowser's green skin, and redrew them from memory? This was a few days before E3, and lo and behold, those very alts appeared in the E3 demo. Now, which is more likely: that he has inside info on the final game, or that he just saw the E3 demo a few days ahead of time? The latter, I think. It's the same with this Tomodachi Life issue.
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Actually, only two of the three alts he made appeared at e3. There was a blue bowser one that hasn't been seen yet.

Also the leak with the bowser colors was the original text leak for this picture leak.
 
This is my last week of PoTDs before I get on the road. Ho-hum.

Neoriceisgood said:
I don't usually join the "team x" stuff on any subject, which is probably why you haven't heard/seen me be very outspoken about this on gaf.

I can give your opinion on any particular aspect of it, if you're still doubtful about anything in particular.

I think it's rubbish to claim 100% certainty about anything just from a scientific standpoint, but the effort required to fake this is a lot more extreme and unlikely
than some ESBR dipsh*t breaking their NDA and snapping 3-4 pictures.
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This is mostly how I feel as well.

Diprosalic said:
only a couple of days till we know...
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You're too optimistic
 
StreetsAhead said:
Oh, in that case it definitely sounds like bull.

Also, in regards to the bolded, I assume you mean when they say they saw this alleged ESRB video.
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They didn't see the whole video, only a portion, which was enough to turn some very skeptical people onto the #TeamReal bandwagon, if you will. If it wasn't for their reputations, I wouldn't give this leak a second look.
 
We'll probably have some information that'll help us come to a more concrete conclusion over the next few days, but I wouldn't put it past Sakurai to specifically select information that would do nothing to determine the leak's veracity. If it's real, he'd want to reveal everything on his own terms, and if it's false, he'd likely want to prolong the surprise and torture people.
 
SquiddyCracker said:
I'm not convinced about arguments revolving around model quality:
Fans can make great stuff when they put their minds to it (See Project M and Mewtwo.)
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At least to me, that looks really fan-made though, as does a lot of the Project M stuff. The leaked stuff doesn't, to me. That's why I've been Team Real since day 1.
 
So, if I'm understanding this correctly, one of two things happened:
-A short clip and some screens were leaked to a small group of people, who leaked it to some other people and often added in their own bullshit.
-Everything's fake.

Honestly, the short clip both adds and takes away from my beliefs.
If it's a short clip showing the victory, it explains the derpiness of the characters, as it is likely the weird slow mo from when a match ends.
However, if it's so short, why not just upload the damn thing? It's an 8 second clip that almost certainly shows off nothing not in the screens. It's not like it has a huge file size, it's 8 fucking seconds.
 
Neoriceisgood said:
I don't usually join the "team x" stuff on any subject, which is probably why you haven't heard/seen me be very outspoken about this on gaf.

I can give your opinion on any particular aspect of it, if you're still doubtful about anything in particular.

But my views are:

1. As a skeptic I find the explanations as to how some evidence must've been faked far more far fetched than the idea of a leak. (e.g. famitsu foresight + tons of coincidence)

2. As an artist I am outright impressed by the model quality of every new model.

a.(Shulk outright looks better than in xenoblade. I don't even like Shulk's design and he looks good here.)

b. Duck hunt dog's "redesign" is extremely well thought out and lovable. visual design was one of my main gripes with DhD and I absolutely love how this version looks. (a big flaw with most fakes isn't model quality, but sheer taste/design.)

c. The rim of the clown car of bowser jr's portrait has very nice glassy texture. I don't know why, but fake renders always fail miserable at glossy textures. That Klonoa fake? The rings look like dull plastic.

3. Just from a historic perspective, a lot of the weird choices in this roster correlate fairly well to the "wtf" discoveries for melee/brawl's rosters. ROB being on Brawl's roster despite being a generic enemy? No faker would do that cause it's stupid and counter-intuitive, that was one of the first signs that made me trust the Brawl roster leak ... fake rosters are always extremely "clean" they lack that "wait what the hell?"-element.


I think it's rubbish to claim 100% certainty about anything just from a scientific standpoint, but the effort required to fake this is a lot more extreme and unlikely
than some ESBR dipsh*t breaking their NDA and snapping 3-4 pictures.
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All this pretty much.
 
Alright, assuming duck hunt dog is real, thoughts on potential moveset?

You could incorporate stuff from other NES-titles released at the time, and give it additional "dog" moves (like fetching a bone.)
 
So basically:

Multi Man logo leaked

Locked All-Stars mode shows that the roster was not fully unlocked and also there are more stages

Still keeping my distance though.
 
IntelliHeath said:
Both got updated with better detail. Samus got a new background, and they added more details to Mii.
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I still liked the blank faces the best. Was an interesting way to represent a character that can take on any appearance.

Also all these leaks are getting confusing for what people are calling real and fake. I just go on the fake side of things to be safe since it's more likely that it's partly fake than 100% real with all these details going around.

Top Tip for leakers/fakers: Keep it simple, keep it short and once you've had your say shut up!

Gamatsu leaker didn't know when to shut up and they ended up with egg on their face.
 
For what it's worth, unless we're dealing with an incomplete character select screen (but why would the screen be incomplete if the backstory of the leak is true?), I find it hard, if not impossible to believe that the real, complete character select screen, given the standards set by Sakurai, would:

a) have Yoshi splitting up the Mario franchise characters;
b) put two spaces (in a row of nine, so that's asymmetry) between Bowser and Bowser Jr.;
c) not have Dark Pit grouped with Pit and Palutena*;
d) not have Dr. Mario grouped with the other Mario characters*;
e) not have Lucina grouped with the other FE characters*;
f) have Shulk grouped with the third-party characters.

(* unless you assume this is a 'clone corner', but in all the other games, clones were still linked with the characters they cloned, horizontally or vertically. Besides, shouldn't Toon Link belong in the same corner if that's the reasoning?)

I could believe the roster (though having Dr. Mario back is - pun totally intended - a tough pill to swallow), but this select screen lacks the symmetry and the logic that I believe someone with Sakurai's attention to detail would put into it. Too many red flags for me to believe.

So basically, my opinion is that this is either a real but incomplete screen that will make more sense with more unlocked characters or the work of a faker who's much better at faking renders than he is at putting together select screens with any semblance of rhyme or reason.
 
SuperSah said:
So basically:

Multi Man logo leaked

Locked All-Stars mode shows that the roster was not fully unlocked and also there are more stages

Still keeping my distance though.
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I don't get the second part. It's locked, but we see Mario's foot for whatever reason? It could be part of the logo, though, since we've seen characters appear in logos for the other modes.
 
Hatchtag said:
MasterLinkX seems to be hinting that All-Star mode is chronological if it returns. Lame, but expected, if true.
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I would have hoped for something more varied and less tedious, especially considering the roster size. Even randomising the order in which opponents are fought (by character debut, by series debut, by Smash debut, etc.) would have helped.
 
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