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Admiral Woofington said:
There are other choices. But they're not very good. There's that anime about the different clans in Japan that control different elements, and the main guy is from a fire family who disowned him but he controls wind and one of his cousins who controls fire has the hots for him.

But if you want to watch an actually competent show, you go to FMA: Brotherhood.
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I still don't get the link between Korra and FMA, elemental based abilities are common as fuck, and FMA is far more based in science (as in actual elements) than korra ever was. It's like comparing Star Wars to Legend of Galactic heroes, sure their both space opera's but your kind of missing the point.
 
Principate said:
Brotherhood is great but it's really not the only one. There's massive swades of battle shounen. It's literally pick your poison.
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I enjoyed Brotherhood a lot - the original FMA, too. Attack on Titan is good aside from the bit halfway through the first season where the pacing falls apart for 3-4 episodes, and the melodrama can get to you. HunterxHunter is fantastic up until the Chimera Ants arc, then the pacing becomes abominable, although I do think the York Shin City is one of the best shonen arcs I've ever seen. Death Note is great for the first half and then the second half is good but feels a let-down in comparison. Jojo's Bizarre Adventures is a lot of good fun - silly, but enjoyable. I mildly prefer S2 because I preferred more engaged fight scenes than the distanced stands, but that's about it. Cowboy Bebop and Samurai Champloo are both fantastic - I might be slightly outside the ordinary trend by mildly preferring Samurai Champloo. Got bored with Naruto, I like plots to have resolutions after a while and I just lost interest with the characters. Never tried One Piece or Bleach, I have a feeling I'd have a similar reaction as I did to Naruto. Hellsing was just... too try-hard? I sort of liked it but every episode was "look how much blood there is in this episode! Look at Alucard doing mature, R-rated things! hey, boobies!" and it put me off after a while. Kill la Kill just seemed childish.

I think that's most of the things I've watched. Never watched Gurren Lagann, actually, so may have to try that. Nor Ghost in the Shell, which I've heard is reviewed pretty highly. I watched a little bit of the Fate series, but the first episode didn't really sell me and I didn't continue - but I know that's not really enough to give up so I may return to it with some encouragement.
 
Principate said:
Brotherhood is great but it's really not the only one. There's massive swades of battle shounen. It's literally pick your poison.
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Admiral Woofington said:
There are other choices. But they're not very good. There's that anime about the different clans in Japan that control different elements, and the main guy is from a fire family who disowned him but he controls wind and one of his cousins who controls fire has the hots for him.

But if you want to watch an actually competent show, you go to FMA: Brotherhood. I mean there are more traditional battle shonen too, but I'd say in terms of tone and cast of characters and action animation this is the closest.
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Well, I mean in direct comparison considering how they activate their powers, use the terrain as a weapon, and just the "go explore the world" aspect of the show which is much like what happened for part of season 3.

When I first heard of Avatar/Korra, I almost assumed that they were borrowing heavily from FMA.
 
Htown said:
When I first heard of Avatar/Korra, I almost assumed that they were borrowing heavily from FMA.
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maybe a little
 
Admiral Woofington said:
I don't like Eureka 7 as much as I used to as I watched it first when there wasn't much anime going on, and it was one of the few shows airing on Adult Swim. Most of the anime I watched in Toonami/Adult Swim is still one of my favorites, but that one for some reason never stuck around. Renton ruined it. And the more I watch anime the more I realize I don't like Eureka 7.
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Renton was fucking terrible. He ruined a perfectly good show.
 
MartyStu said:
Ehh, I think that episode was needed. The plot-lines it handled COULD have been truncated though.

Ultimately, I think I am satisfied with the Red Lotus. They could have been done much better, but most of the issues with them stem more from the short season with the shorter episodes.

Now, I would not say no if next season had some flashbacks with them, but I think that is unlikely. If the next season is the same length as the last, I think I would much rather flashbacks from the Gaang.
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I personally liked the episode. I guess I just felt the ending hinged more on the Red Lotus. So I think giving more depth to them would have made the conflict a lot more interesting and impacting, particularly for Zaheer. Although at the same time the Air Nation plot was how the entire thing wrapped up.

Ah well. I'm okay with what they did given the format. I think it's easy to talk about ways they could improve it. But it's not really possible with what they have.
 
Principate said:
I still don't get the link between Korra and FMA, elemental based abilities are common as fuck, and FMA is far more based in science (as in actual elements) than korra ever was. It's like comparing Star Wars to Legend of Galactic heroes, sure their both space opera's but your kind of missing the point.
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It's not Korra exactly as much as the Avatar format. The biggest indicator is that Korra and Avatar start as an adventure story of a group of people who the more they explore the more intricacy they discover to the plot, usually in the darker aspects of the world and government. Then we have the really well choreographed battles of people using different powers, usually involving elements (making swords out of iron blood, making hands come out of the earth, using the terrain to battle, etc...) the systems in check are very interesting. Side characters all have their strengths and for the most part can hold more than their own in battles. The amazing animation is another aspect, and also it can get extremely emotional and gruesome at points.

We're not saying "IF YOU LIKE A THEN B IS EXACTLY LIKE IT" we're saying that they have similarities and FMA (particularly Brotherhood) is extremely well loved and something easy to get to for many people who are starting to get into anime or want to watch another animated show with powers and great combat. It's popular and a recognizable name.

There are other shone action shows, nobody is denying that, but most of them follow a fairly standard progression for the character and enemies, and not all of them are all that well animated or have amazingly choreographed battles. Or at the very least have competent writing.
 
Crab said:
I enjoyed Brotherhood a lot - the original FMA, too. Attack on Titan is good aside from the bit halfway through the first season where the pacing falls apart for 3-4 episodes, and the melodrama can get to you. HunterxHunter is fantastic up until the Chimera Ants arc, then the pacing becomes abominable, although I do think the York Shin City is one of the best shonen arcs I've ever seen. Death Note is great for the first half and then the second half is good but feels a let-down in comparison. Jojo's Bizarre Adventures is a lot of good fun - silly, but enjoyable. I mildly prefer S2 because I preferred more engaged fight scenes than the distanced stands, but that's about it. Cowboy Bebop and Samurai Champloo are both fantastic - I might be slightly outside the ordinary trend by mildly preferring Samurai Champloo. Got bored with Naruto, I like plots to have resolutions after a while and I just lost interest with the characters. Never tried One Piece or Bleach, I have a feeling I'd have a similar reaction as I did to Naruto. Hellsing was just... too try-hard? I sort of liked it but every episode was "look how much blood there is in this episode! Look at Alucard doing mature, R-rated things! hey, boobies!" and it put me off after a while. Kill la Kill just seemed childish.

I think that's most of the things I've watched. Never watched Gurren Lagann, actually, so may have to try that. Nor Ghost in the Shell, which I've heard is reviewed pretty highly. I watched a little bit of the Fate series, but the first episode didn't really sell me and I didn't continue - but I know that's not really enough to give up so I may return to it with some encouragement.
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Gurren Lagann is great I highly recommend it, though you must place your expectations according it's hotblooded and slightly more seriously than Kill a kill but you shouldn't enter it expecting something it's not.

It's quite literally the anti neon-genesis evangelion and that's what the shows creators set out to produce.

I love the Japanese voices though, the way they say Gurren Lagann etc is amazing.
 
AniHawk said:
maybe zaheer will reform start a band and call it the rad lotus
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I wonder if Zaheer will get out and become a villain next season. Obviously he won't be the main villain. And normally I would say no, he would get a cameo in prison and that's that. But given this is the series finale I'm kind of wondering if the writers will go all out and have all hell break loose (possibly Zaheer being freed in the back half).

Then again I guess it all depends what the main conflict is next season. Really interested to see how they ramp things up for the final run.
 
Admiral Woofington said:
It's not Korra exactly as much as the Avatar format. The biggest indicator is that Korra and Avatar start as an adventure story of a group of people who the more they explore the more intricacy they discover to the plot, usually in the darker aspects of the world and government. Then we have the really well choreographed battles of people using different powers, usually involving elements (making swords out of iron blood, making hands come out of the earth, using the terrain to battle, etc...) the systems in check are very interesting. Side characters all have their strengths and for the most part can hold more than their own in battles. The amazing animation is another aspect, and also it can get extremely emotional and gruesome at points.

We're not saying "IF YOU LIKE A THEN B IS EXACTLY LIKE IT" we're saying that they have similarities and FMA (particularly Brotherhood) is extremely well loved and something easy to get to for many people who are starting to get into anime or want to watch another animated show with powers and great combat. It's popular and a recognizable name.

There are other shone action shows, nobody is denying that, but most of them follow a fairly standard progression for the character and enemies, and not all of them are all that well animated or have amazingly choreographed battles. Or at the very least have competent writing.
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My point is Korra is a show well defined by it's martial arts. (As elemental power are in thousands of anime). FMA has martial arts but they're not prominent at all. The point is is it's a loose similarity you could probably apply that similarity to almost all battle shounen..
 
Azula said:
I wonder if Zaheer will get out and become a villain next season. Obviously he won't be the main villain. And normally I would say no, he would get a cameo in prison and that's that. But given this is the series finale I'm kind of wondering if the writers will go all out and have all hell break loose (possibly Zaheer being freed in the back half).

Then again I guess it all depends what the main conflict is next season. Really interested to see how they ramp things up for the final run.
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i would expect something like that to happen. the red lotus arc seems to only be set up for the back half of the 26 episode order, same with bringing toph into the mix. we'll see her again for season 4 in some way.

do we know if zaheer was super seriously the leader of the red lotus? seems weird the whole movement stayed underground until he popped back up. makes a little more sense to me that he and his group were prominent figures in the organization, but not the heads of it.
 
Bold One said:
If youre looking for a good show to follow up Korra, please watch 'CLAYMORE' its better in almost every way


GOAT show
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Claymores a weird one Raki's an annoying shit for most of it and never redeems himself. However in the manga it the story diverges and he becomes quite the badass. I consider large parts of the manga much better than the anime, The thing is during and after the destroyer the manga turns to absolute shit.

so I'm in a cross-way of eh.
 
Principate said:
My point is Korra is a show well defined by it's martial arts. (As elemental power are in thousands of anime). FMA has martial arts but they're not prominent at all. The point is is it's a loose similarity.
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That seems extremely nitpicky. Most folks aren't going to watch an action show and complain that the sweet action scenes aren't based entirely off martial arts. I know what you're saying, but there's no direct comparison and I made it very clear when I first recommended the show that Korra and Avatar in general doesn't have much in common, I'm giving you example as to how they're similar where it specifically doesn't dwell into the martial arts aspect. There are aspects of the shows that are similar, they're just not the exact same thing, one big instance is using their surroundings to do battle (the elric brothers do a lot of 'earth bending', Mustang practically is a firebender).

Regardless let's keep it simple people.

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If this looks interesting then it might be for you. There are other great action shows out there too though, so if you'd rather watch other action shonen series make sure to ask.

AniHawk said:
i think the consensus is watch the first and then the second so you can appreciate how much better the first show's ending is while enjoying the second as a whole a lot more.
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In no way shape or form is that the consensus lol
 
AniHawk said:
i think the consensus is watch the first and then the second so you can appreciate how much better the first show's ending is while enjoying the second as a whole a lot more.
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Wait, people thought FMA had a better ending than FMA:B? I thought both had unsatisfactory endings, but I'd definitely rate FMA:B above FMA just on endings alone. To this day I still don't understand the
WW2 stuff. That was just strange.
If anything, I'd say FMA only exceeded FMA:B during the middle -
the return of Shou Tucker and that immensely creepy lab scene with him was GOAT
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I always thought Brotherhood destroyed the original in terms of overall quality....And all anime fans in my country seem to agree.

But that´s just like. my opinion, man
 
Admiral Woofington said:
In no way shape or form is that the consensus lol
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i know. the consensus is that there really isn't a consensus; people seem to enjoy both well enough.

Crab said:
Wait, people thought FMA had a better ending than FMA:B? I thought both had unsatisfactory endings, but I'd definitely rate FMA:B above FMA just on endings alone. To this day I still don't understand the
WW2 stuff. That was just strange.
If anything, I'd say FMA only exceeded FMA:B during the middle -
the return of Shou Tucker and that immensely creepy lab scene with him was GOAT
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was it wwii or wwi stuff? anyway the imagery of ed and al reaching out in their respective timelines was poignant, and ed making the 'equivalent exchange' so his brother could at least have his brother live as himself again really worked for me. the movie really shat all over that by trying to 'fix' everything.

i haven't seen a lot of brotherhood so i can't make a comment on it.
 
Admiral Woofington said:
That seems extremely nitpicky. Most folks aren't going to watch an action show and complain that the sweet action scenes aren't based entirely off martial arts. I know what you're saying, but there's no direct comparison and I made it very clear when I first recommended the show that Korra and Avatar in general doesn't have much in common, I'm giving you example as to how they're similar where it specifically doesn't dwell into the martial arts aspect. There are aspects of the shows that are similar, they're just not the exact same thing, one big instance is using their surroundings to do battle (the elric brothers do a lot of 'earth bending', Mustang practically is a firebender).

Regardless let's keep it simple people.

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If this looks interesting then it might be for you. There are other great action shows out there too though, so if you'd rather watch other action shonen series make sure to ask.
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Well the point was the dudes that manipulate fire and Earth in anime are dime a dozen. you can find them in almost any battle shouen including the big three, One, piece, naruto, bleach plus dozens of others. At which you may as well be comparing battle shounens against each other rather than in similarities to Korra, because most are about as relevant.

That's why I found it odd.
 
You're welcome to recommend Bleach and Naruto to someone, I like to recommend shows that aren't largely comprised of filler or aren't terrible in the writing and overpowered people department (more on Bleach than Naruto, at least first part of Naruto was decent back in the days, animation doesn't hold up for me anymore).
 
Principate said:
Well the point was the dudes that manipulate fire and Earth in anime are dime a dozen. you can find them in almost any battle shouen including the big three, One, piece, naruto, bleach plus dozens of others. At which you may as well be comparing battle shounens against each other rather than in similarities to Korra, because most are about as relevant.

That's why I found it odd.
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I'm by no some kind of shounen expert, since I mostly find the genre boring, but of the ones I've seen, no one uses the environment in the same way... a lot of the moves remind me of all the Earthbending stuff that happens in Korra.
 
Admiral Woofington said:
You're welcome to recommend Bleach and Naruto to someone, I like to recommend shows that aren't entirely filler or aren't terrible (more on Bleach than Naruto, at least first part of Naruto was decent).
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No my point was why you phrased it as most relevant when it's not it's your personal favourite of the bunch. When there's an entire genre with dozens upon dozens of shows.
 
Principate said:
Well the point was the dudes that manipulate fire and Earth in anime are dime a dozen. you can find them in almost any battle shouen including the big three, One, piece, naruto, bleach plus dozens of others. At which you may as well be comparing battle shounens against each other rather than in similarities to Korra, because most are about as relevant.

That's why I found it odd.
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Also, both Avatar and Korra seem to have their "fighting" systems tied more with spirituality than most battle shonen. Like with Avatar there's a rich history behind bending, the same with FMA and reiken/rentenjutsu (sp?). Naruto is kind of similar with chakra, but another thing both FMA and Avatar is that even their main character is still fairly grounded. Even at their strongest, their powers make sense and are within the limits of reasonability
 
Principate said:
No my point was why you phrased it as most relevant when it's not it's your personal favourite of the bunch. When there's an entire genre with dozens upon dozens of shows.
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Others are recommending it as well? I fail to see the problem. Yes, it's my favorite of the bunch (of battle shonen), but I'm at least giving reasons as to why one might enjoy it. That's the way recommendations work for the most part when works aren't going to be carbon copies of each other. I'm going past the superficial "I really like this show". We could dwell and make a list as to how the shows are similar, and you could make the argument for another show, then so be it. But you almost seem to want to make a statement that I can't recommend this show and say they're similar, when there are similarities. We're going in fucking circles.
 
Azula said:
I wonder if Zaheer will get out and become a villain next season. Obviously he won't be the main villain. And normally I would say no, he would get a cameo in prison and that's that. But given this is the series finale I'm kind of wondering if the writers will go all out and have all hell break loose (possibly Zaheer being freed in the back half).

Then again I guess it all depends what the main conflict is next season. Really interested to see how they ramp things up for the final run.
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A red lotus member infiltrates the guards keeping Zaheer locked up and he thinks he'll be freed, but the RL member kills him instead, saying something about how the new/true leader doesn't tolerate failure.
 
If anyone wants to wash their souls of bolins shitty humor they should watch Gintama. One of the only shonen shows I like. I'd recommend the original dragon ball over stuff like HunterXHunter, but maybe that's because I've seen it first. Also if people like the strange creature's aspect of Avatar they should check out Mushishi, but thats a very different show. Also would recommend Gurren Laggan and FLCL over Kill la Kill unless you like fan service.
 
Azula said:
I wonder if Zaheer will get out and become a villain next season. Obviously he won't be the main villain. And normally I would say no, he would get a cameo in prison and that's that. But given this is the series finale I'm kind of wondering if the writers will go all out and have all hell break loose (possibly Zaheer being freed in the back half).

Then again I guess it all depends what the main conflict is next season. Really interested to see how they ramp things up for the final run.
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I really don't know if we'll get more than a cameo from him. Even if the red lotus returns in s4, his role seems pretty played out at this point. I initially thought that he might show up because the Krew goes to him for help/information, but then I realized that there's absolutely no reason for him to help them. He's forsaken all earthly connections, and even before that, he spent 13 years in prison without talking before.
 
Bit off topic but I figured I should ask here since this is still alive and kicking right now.

Did book 1 of ATLA ever receive an improved DVD transfer? I know the original release has some severe image issues, the ghosting was terrible from what I remember. It didn't air like that originally did it. :/
 
Scarl said:
Bit off topic but I figured I should ask here since this is still alive and kicking right now.

Did book 1 of ATLA ever receive an improved DVD transfer? I know the original release has some severe image issues, the ghosting was terrible from what I remember. It didn't air like that originally did it. :/
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As far as I know they didn't, and the Amazon digital edition still has some issues when viewed on HDTV's, like squiggly lines and weird visual effects.

I really do wish they'd make improved blu rays.
 
Admiral Woofington said:
As far as I know they didn't, and the Amazon digital edition still has some issues when viewed on HDTV's, like squiggly lines and weird visual effects.

I really do wish they'd make improved blu rays.
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Sounds the same as the DVDs to me then, shame. Seems like there are TV rips floating around that are better looking ffs

Man I'm sure some people would whine if they did this but I'd love to see a Blu-Ray release that simply negates those image quality issues, nothing more. I mean book 1's are terrible but I'm pretty sure the other two seasons have some artifacting issues too at times. Really they could have probably managed that on DVDs just fine, but on Blu there's be no excuse.

Unfortunately I can't see anything of that happening. Still haven't gotten our ATLA soundtrack and it doesn't look like they're planning to release more of Korra's either. At least we're still getting artbooks... :L
 
Not said:
FMA OR FMA:B?
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Brotherhood. I feel like you'd get burnt out by watching both, and Brotherhood is jussst the right length. Any more might have been too much.

I finished Brotherhood recently and I have no desire to watch the original because to me Brotherhood is perfection. I don't really need any more.
 
The material that both versions cover is done much better in the original compared to Brotherhood. It's a lot more fleshed out in the original compared to brotherhood which feels very rushed. Once they split off I prefer Brotherhood, but both animes are great.
 
Moaradin said:
The material that both versions cover is done much better in the original compared to Brotherhood. It's a lot more fleshed out in the original compared to brotherhood which feels very rushed. Once they split off I prefer Brotherhood, but both animes are great.
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Isn't that because they just didn't want to do too much of the same content?

I only watched Brotherhood and I don't feel like I missed anything. Take that as you will. From what I've read in the original there's more
characterization of Hughes? But I didn't really notice, I still felt sad.
 
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