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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread XIII: Leak Dynasty
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Was Dark Pit featured in any footage? 100% clone?
Beelzebufo
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Nope! I believe the only "new" characters we saw were Ganondorf, Shulk, and Jr.
Pokemon should have several dozen playable characters.
superNESjoe
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Played and enjoyed it, still didn't care much for Dark Pit. There's some humor there, and I don't hate him by any means. I'm still stuck on the mindset that it seems outrageously biased for Kid Icarus Uprising to get 3 reps and a ton of other representation in the game, while DK, Zelda, and Metroid (seemingly) get shafted of additional representation.
It's not a hate for Dark Pit, it's a frustration that other franchises were far more deserving of additional reps (even as clones) before Kid Icarus. No matter how much of an Uprising fan you are you can't argue that it's a dominant or highly important franchise for Nintendo, at least not more so than Zelda or DK.
sorakirosaki
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i think the only ones shown were shulk and bowser jr at least from the footage we still dont now how dark pit or dr.mario will play as but most people are making the educated guess based on where they are in the roster that they will most likely be super cloney
while i think the argument could be made for dk i havent played the new games myself but i am presuming based on peoples posts that the game is fairly popular at least for the wii/wiiu games
but i feel that kid icarus uprising did garner a huge following after its release same goes for awakening (at least in japan im not sure about the other places) that probably made them a high priority of course people could scream saurai bias but i do thin the fact that as of recently both kid icarus and fire emblem gaining the popularity they did probably lead to this decision.
also the whole other franchises deserve more rep thing kinda irks me since kid icarus as well as fire emblem also have fairly long histories and its just really grating when i read posts that say they arent deserving additional reps outside of ones own personal tastes :T
Benzychenz
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Arbitrarily saying X series deserves Y amount of reps is so stupid. If there was DK or Metroid characters that were suited for Smash they'd be in, simple fact is there isn't, doesn't matter how big the franchises are (hell Animal Crossing outsells most other series, but it doesn't need any more characters).
Kid Icarus had an easy clone, saying that clone shouldn't be in because the series doesn't deserve 3 characters is the stupidest thing I've ever read.
Would have rather had Dark Samus as a Samus clone or Dixie as a Diddy clone than Dark Pit.
And I disagree that Dark Pit is an interesting character personally, was one of the stupidest parts of the game for me.
The12thGripper
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Shulk will upgraded to Ok if he brings great Xenoblade stages and music (he should).
Benzychenz
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Dark Samus and Dixie have different abilities though.
Dark Pits entire character is that he's pretty much a clone lol.
I just want to see her get in for the meltdowns. "How is this still rated E10?!" "Not gonna buy this game now, eff you Nintendo" LOL
Not that I can recall.
Beelzebufo
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They've gotten pretty close to it, and now they have their own fighting game haha.
I know that, but still.
It's frustrating seeing all the representation Kid Icarus Uprising is getting whilst other (imo) more important and more popular franchises are left in the dust.
It's not even just characters either, items, ATs, trophies, Smash Run enemies, etc.
This is some interesting circular logic.
"A series only has characters suited for Smash when they get in Smash."
If Dixie and K Rool were playable and there were no new Kid Icarus characters, would you be arguing that series doesn't have characters suited for Smash?
friskykillface
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ESRB should have gotten footage for duck hunt dog too
Animal cruelty is always a big issue so they gotta approve it/rate it..................
.....I just wanna see the god dog in action B^)
Animal cruelty is always a big issue so they gotta approve it/rate it..................
.....I just wanna see the god dog in action B^)
Beelzebufo
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It kinda makes sense though haha, basically the point is that Sakurai doesn't give a franchise characters just because it doesn't have enough characters or whatever.
I think my favorite part about Dark Pit is that Sakuria blatantly spoiled a hidden character in a trailer.
sorakirosaki
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i would probably be in it just for the melt downs as well though a nowi costume wouldnt be bad >> (at least for me anyway)
superNESjoe
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It's not just characters, it's Items, ATs, Smash Run enemies, etc. There's some images out there that compile everything we've seen for certain franchises and compares them. The amount of content Donkey Kong, for example, has in the game is completely overshadowed by Kid Icarus content.
It's not a matter of which franchise has characters more suited (there are highly requested and well suited characters from DK and Metroid, not to mention ATs, items, enemies, etc), but a matter of those series being seemingly overlooked. Sakurai developed Kid Icarus Uprising, so when you see that particular game (that isn't part of a large or important franchise by any means) begin to have equal/greater representation than something as historic as DK or Zelda, it's really frustrating as a Nintendo fan.
I'm really happy with the roster, I truly am. This isn't even about my personal favorite franchise not seeing more exposure, it's about paying homage in the right places and Kid Icarus hasn't earned the representation it's receiving.
JavelinRobin
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If we're talking "clones" here, I personally would've liked to see, well, pretty much anyone other than another Dark Pit in the roster. That game just did not click with me at all and I think the characters were all pretty annoying (good-lookin' game though).
But the rest of the roster is pretty damn solid so no major issues with Dark Pit here. If he does indeed have different weapons, then that's pretty cool for a clone.
But the rest of the roster is pretty damn solid so no major issues with Dark Pit here. If he does indeed have different weapons, then that's pretty cool for a clone.
Nah, more representation from KI:U is cool with me, but it should've been Hades instead of Dark Pit.
Boss Doggie
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Hah, I just realized Pokken and Smash are in the same building.
That's what we hear, people claim to have sources, but I doubt we'll see any physical proof, unless it goes to court, the records are made public, and someone tracks those records down.
I don't think we have hard proof, but the story's going that the individual's been caught, fired, and is about to be sued. Which is good, and lines up with Sakurai's threat about 64's roster leak. Poor guy can't catch a break with leaks, can he?
Senator Soufflé
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Dark Pit debacle boils down to how much you like one series over another. It's a shame that whether you like a character in Smash is dependent on how much you like their source game. I do it too of course, I don't particularly care for Sonic and so disliked him being in Brawl.
Benzychenz
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I agree.
Kid Icarus is way over repped in Smash Run enemies, items, trophies etc.
I was just saying that playable character wise, KI is perfectly fine the way it is, even next to DK and Metroid.
The Bankslammer
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I have no issue with the amount of Kid Icarus content, because all of those assets were probably extremely easy to get a hold of and are well-suited to Smash (plus Uprising is one of my favorite Nintendo games to release in the span between Brawl and now), I just can't help but feel like Donkey Kong, another series to have its brand revived with a highly critically and commercially successful game, could do with a bit more. But hey, we still don't know everything in the game for sure yet, maybe it's there and we just haven't seen it yet.
Storm Kyleis
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At the very least, the Wii U version better make it up to him, and we better be missing, like, 5-7 DK enemies in Smash Run and 2 ATs. Especially if one's Rambi.
Beelzebufo
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But Kid Icarus still hasn't had even one boss, and Metroid might be about to get it's third!Kid Icarus reached three reps before Metroid.
Dark Pits also kinda cool because he was basically created in Brawl, now he returns home.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
That would be nutty. Sonic, Alex Kidd, Vyse, Gilius, Joe, Ryu, etc.
Yeah, obvious. I have a feeling that we might get between 15-24 playable characters for Pokken.
Senator Soufflé;127127885 said:
I understand that you guys think KI deserves less than metroid/DK, etc...
but as neorice has pointed out before, this is sakurai working on 3DS for the second time, so it's entirely possible that the KI:U assets were simply COPY-PASTED over into smash 4 (with necessary modifications, of course), since they were literally on the same system. This explains, at least, all of the smash run enemies, the likely vast amount of trophies, as well as items. If KI:U were on original DS, for example, I don't think we'd see as much, as far as smash run/items/trophies are concerned.
It's simply very probable that they had a ton of assets they could use... so they did.
superNESjoe
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That's entirely true. I don't mean to complain either, God knows we have enough of that on here and I have a ton to be happy about with the roster. It's just annoying to me personally as someone who has lived Nintendo since the NES to see certain things not get what I suppose I feel they deserve.
You go on the good list sora.
You know that scene from James Bond where he's tied to the table and there's a laser about to cut through him? That's probably what's happening to him right now deep in the depths of Nintendo HQ.
superNESjoe
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Not out of the question at all.
Watch Da Birdie
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Holy fuckkkkkk!
Honestly, I don't consider leaking a video-game a horrible crime (I understand though why NOA would go after him), so I sort of hope he gets desperate and leaks at the very least the final CSS for everyone.
I kind of feel like that was a deflection to keep people from pushing him to make one before he was ready. I'm sure it's something he'd like to go back to eventually, but the last thing you really want is an obnoxious, dedicated fanbase questioning why you're making X game in a new series when there's Kid Icarus waiting.
It's especially important because he's got to get to work on Mega Man Battle Rising next and he can't be distracted by impatient KI fans.
Beelzebufo
Banned
I mean, that last one would be a really good choice...
Benzychenz
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DKCR is on 3DS as well :x
balladofwindfishes
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The thing is, DKC was revived, but the main characters in the revival are all playable. Maybe if Dixie or Cranky had been playable in DKCR, they'd have a chance, but when the roster was being made, Dixie was just a relic from the Rare era and Cranky didn't same capable of fighting.
I just look at all the years Kirby only had one character and kind of let Sakurai's recent biases have a pass. He underrepresented his series for years before this game, so he gets some slack from me.
Senator Soufflé;127127885 said:
I loved Uprising and didn't mind him as a character, but would rather have had almost anyone else as a new clone. Any one of Alph, Brittany, Medusa, Viridi, Tetra, Impa, Mr. Sandman or Dunban would have brought much more visual and thematic diversity to the cast, which unless they've done something really interesting with the remnants of Pit's Brawl moveset, I'm not sure Dark Pit will have.
Spectator mode isn't new information, even without the leak. Maybe a lot of people missed it because the trailer was so awesomely fast-paced.
It's likely that the ease of porting increased the amount of Kid Icarus content. If you look at the trophies in Brawl, the majority of them are from recent games because HAL could just reuse the models.
Metroid Prime's core form could actually work pretty well.
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