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[Stoze]

I disagree. One Ice climber is *WAY* worse than none, because it sets a precedent for future smash bros to follow. If Ice climbers are cut, then can always be brought back next smash. If it's solo, chances are that next smash bros, it'll be solo again.

Basing things on the entire future of the series when each game takes so many years to develop doesn't seem like the right way to judge things, especially when this game isn't out yet. This is still the next Smash Bros.

That said the idea of Ice Climbers being cut down to one sounds completely stupid. I mean would the A.I. really be that much of a problem? And if it was, just make a new character instead of maming and redesigning Climbers.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Well, you'd know as much as me, if not more. I'm just speculating. 8 CPUs plus all the other crazy things that can happen with items on and such, combined with the system-pushing graphics, does seem like a lot to me. But I could be way off mark.

I don't think you're off mark; Smash Bros. has a lot going on and it's a valid concern to bring up (as Sakurai himself did). I just think people tend to underestimate the 3DS's capabilities. Nana's AI isn't anything extraordinary. Nothing I don't think the 3DS can't handle. Between that and Polar Bears in Smash Run, I'm 99% sure we have nothing to worry about.

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That 1% tho.

 

[SmithnCo]

There is hope for Wolf? Please let there be.

He's howling in heaven now

 

[Azure J]

Ice Climber (i.e. removing their defining mechanic really) is weird but at least it preserves their position in Smash. At least Smash 5 would be on better hardware overall so they could get "reverted" easily.

I'd be down for that addendum leak, but K. Rool and Ridley fans are something that come back stronger every time they're struck down. I fear for what Smash 4 DLC/Smash 5 discussion will become. :lol

 

[georly]

If the Ice Climber ends up being true then there is no doubt the 3DS version gimped the WiiU version



Except Nana is NOTHING like Luma or Pikmin. Pikmin are basically just a glorified item that return to home base after being used. Luma basically just mirrors Rosalina and floats back to home base if left alone. Nana will attempt to recover, attack foes on her own accord if separated, etc

Now one could argue they could simply downgrade Nana's AI and make her solely attempt to return to the player if separated and not take any other actions, but that would be a pretty drastic nerf and would also kill the whole idea of what Ice Climbers were.

Ice Climber is better then nothing, if we really do get Ice Climber then we have no choice BUT to blame the 3DS version for holding things back

I wasn't aware nana could attack of her own accord? Is that true? I thought it required input from the player for that to happen. It's true, she needs to know how to recover and move around, but the AI for that isn't... tremendous.

Basing things on the entire future of the series when each game takes so many years to develop doesn't seem like the right way to judge things, especially when this game isn't out yet. This is still the next Smash Bros.

That said the idea of Ice Climbers being cut down to one sounds completely stupid. I mean would the A.I. really be that much of a problem? And if it was, just make a new character instead of maming and redesigning Climbers.

It's just my ganondorf fear. Once something happens, it's hard to revert back from it. It sets up a really bad precedent.

 

[oreomunsta]

He's howling in heaven now

Is that a new stage?

 

[Neiteio]

Well, who knows if this is real -- from the video leaker, allegedly -- but if it's true, then we'll see Bowser Jr. and Duck Hunt before the game comes out.

Come to think of it, that'd be rather appropriate, to reveal a Mario rep and Duck Hunt rep together in the same trailer. SMB1 and Duck Hunt were on the same cartridge, after all.

 

[TomShoe]

Do you by any chance know what Smash normally loads onto the RAM when a match starts? I know RAM hardly gets fully utilized to avoid chugging, so maybe IC, for some bizarre reason, put the 3ds into a danger zone in regards to performance?

In regards to the performance deal, a GAFfer named Anth0ny already said that the 3DS chugged even during normal FFAs with items on.

Hmmmm

shut it.

My tag is everyone's tag.

You seem irritated. Maybe a cup of coffee?

 

[SmithnCo]

Is that a new stage?

Yeah,

Roy, Lucas and the gang are all there. Smiling at us all.

 

[Jamix012]

Folks need to remember this. The video leak is what the leaker knows. That is it. Unless he/she can prove otherwise.

Not according to what we supposedley found out yesterday. The leaker was the guy getting the video for the ESRB apparantly. It's not 100% certain that this info was legit but we have nothing else go on right now, unless I missed some other breakthrough.

 

[BassForever]

That's interesting though, cause I thought the 3DS was supposed to be slightly stronger than a Gamecube. Melee was the game where ICs were introduced in so.....I don't know either.

Gah, more roster discussion! 3DS did really gimp a couple of characters x_x

And 4 ice climbers with items would cause the FPS to drop in melee, let alone one with very high only pokeballs. Perhaps FPS drops is unacceptable in this version and given the choice they decided to go with solo Ice Climber to make sure the character/franchise was still in the game.

I think that's certainly a better alternative then "LOL we can't get them to run on the 3DS in 60FPS consistently so we'll just scrap them and all the time we've put into them" or the idea that Sakurai planned to cut them from the very beginning and never even attempted to add them.

 

[dryuriev7777]

Is it bad I'm using my paid time off on the 3rd, 4th, and 5th just to play this game uninterrupted? I'mma be all up in ya'lls IRC that weekend.

Also you know what's not helping this already grueling wait? All this leak stuff and the discussions and the 500 leakers and poor Sakurai and SHULK and Mario Kart DLC for some reason and my god I need this shit now. And I know the day it hits in Japan I'll be glued to my PC and the wait will get exponentially worse.

Fuckin' Smash Bros man. No other game does this to me.

 

[MrSaturn99]

All I want is Lucas, Lucas is all I want, is I Lucas want all, all Lucas I is want, want is Lucas I all, Lucas est tout ce que je veux, Lucas es todo lo que yo quiero

 

[Karsticles]

Because it would look out of place and horrible.

Seeing the difference between the two ICs running at 30FPS would be jarring.

Eh. Most people can't tell the difference.

Personally, I don't think IC is really a problem. I think this is a master troll by Sakurai to freak people out. Save IC for a hidden character or something. There's still plenty of time left for releases. Hell, we just got Metaknight a week ago or so.

The whole thing reminds me of Frank West in MvC3. He was supposed to be in (supposedly), but got cut, and everyone said it was because his zombie summons took up too much RAM, like moving a graphic of a zombie around is really all that different from all the other projectiles in the game. Everyone latched onto it, but then lo and behold, he was in UMvC3. I suspect we'll get Ice Climbers, too, though it could be DLC due to time restrictions.

Breaking the Ice Climbers up is a moronic notion. This game's roster is all about unique fighting styles, and he's not going to cut an iconic and unique fighting style. If he had to, he would just reduce their poly count further to help with RAM usage. He's not going to let one of his most unique and interesting creations disappear or get chopped in half.

Not according to what we supposedley found out yesterday. The leaker was the guy getting the video for the ESRB apparantly. It's not 100% certain that this info was legit but we have nothing else go on right now, unless I missed some other breakthrough.

Supposedly, but I never saw a legit source on that information. Just more rumors.

Plus, if this latest "leak" were true, wouldn't that be the second time this guy has changed his story of what else is in the game except for the video? Give me a break.

 

[ffdgh]

Well, who knows if this is real -- from the video leaker, allegedly -- but if it's true, then we'll see Bowser Jr. and Duck Hunt before the game comes out.

Come to think of it, that'd be rather appropriate, to reveal a Mario rep and Duck Hunt rep together in the same trailer. SMB1 and Duck Hunt were on the same cartridge, after all.

I'll take solo ice climers if that's what it takes.

 

[Unspeakable Evil]

Well, who knows if this is real -- from the video leaker, allegedly -- but if it's true, then we'll see Bowser Jr. and Duck Hunt before the game comes out.

Come to think of it, that'd be rather appropriate, to reveal a Mario rep and Duck Hunt rep together in the same trailer. SMB1 and Duck Hunt were on the same cartridge, after all.

I'm confused. Didn't this guy say Dixie is playable?

 

[I'M FINISHED!]

You seem irritated. Maybe a cup of coffee?

yuck

 

[Sponge]

I'm confused. Didn't this guy say Dixie is playable?

Probably pulling our legs.

 

[Cse]

Until there is proof that this is from the same person that leaked the videos, there is ZERO reason to believe this.

Conversely, we have the Ninka leak, which has been entirely accurate up to this point - and the information in this alleged leak directly contradicts with Ninka's information.

Not buying it at all.

 

[Neiteio]

I'd be fine with them changing Ice Climbers (two characters) to Ice Climber (one character, your choice of Popo or Nana).

I'm sure the moves would be suitably powered-up, recovery included.

 

[Nintendoga]

All I want is Lucas, Lucas is all I want, is I Lucas want all, all Lucas I is want, want is Lucas I all, Lucas est tout ce que je veux, Lucas es todo lo que yo quiero

Sorry, Lucas isn't available right now. Can I take a Nessage?

 

[PadWarrior]

He's howling in heaven now

Ouch lol.

 

[Neoxon]

I'll take that grain of salt for the time being & wait for anymore images.

 

[Morts]

No DK newcomer is a bummer considering the resurgence the DKC series has had since Brawl. All this leak nonsense has just made the wait for release more difficult.

 

[Stoze]

It's just my ganondorf fear. Once something happens, it's hard to revert back from it. It sets up a really bad precedent.

Well I didn't think we'd ever get Dr. Mario back, but here we are.

I feel you though. Ganondorf was my main in Melee .

 

[oreomunsta]

In regards to the performance deal, a GAFfer named Anth0ny already said that the 3DS chugged even during normal FFAs with items on.

I remember his impressions (great stuff), but that may have been due to the communication of the systems and feeding output to another screen, rather than each individual system chugging on its own

Yeah,

Roy, Lucas and the gang are all there. Smiling at us all.

Sounds lovely

 

[The Great Gonzales]

The *ONLY* thing I can think of is that somehow they cause the framerate to dip below their 60FPS standard, and that wasn't acceptable. It can totally handle them, but maybe it couldn't handle them at 60FPS?

Unless the framerate drop is so bad it makes the game unplayable, I hope that wouldn't be a reason to cut ICs. Plenty of games have parts that cause the framerate to drop. Lost Izalith in Dark Souls massacres the framerate, but they didn't cut it

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though they should have because that place is a dump

If the Ice Climber ends up being true then there is no doubt the 3DS version gimped the WiiU version

No doubt, and I admitted that I may well be wrong. But my point is, at this juncture is there any solid reason to believe this will happen? All I see is unfounded fear.

3DS version doesn't need to exist. And it also doesn't need to dictate what the Wii U version offers. Parity for the sake of parity is silly.

Unless I'm remembering wrong, the 3DS version was originally supposed to be the only version, and the Wii U was added on later. If it didn't exist, the game might not exist at all. And the parity exists to be fair to all consumers. Not everyone has or can easily get a Wii U, but a lot of people have a 3DS, so this means everyone gets a full Smash game, and no one gets left out. That's an awfully decent move on Nintendo's part.

Um exCUSE me Gonzales but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros was to keep it a Wii U exclusive HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and

lmao I want to know the story behind that tag.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Man, look at this guys

1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Peach
4. Bowser
5. Rosalina & Luma
6. Bowser Jr.
7. Dr. Mario
8. Donkey Kong
9. Diddy Kong
10. Wario
11. Yoshi
12. Pikachu
13. Charizard
14. Jigglypuff
15. Lucario
16. Greninja
17. Link
18. Princess Zelda
19. Sheik
20. Ganondorf
21. Toon Link
22. Kirby
23. Meta Knight
24. Samus Aran
25. Zero Suit Samus
26. Marth
27. Ike
28. Robin
29. Lucina
30. Little Mac
31. Villager
32. Chorus Kids
33. Pit
34. Palutena
35. Dark Pit
36. Ness
37. Lucas
38. Olimar
39. Fox
40. Falco
41. Wolf
42. Captain Falcon
43. Shulk
44. Wii Fit Trainer
45. Mii Brawler
46. Mii Swordfighter
47. Mii Gunner
48. Ice Climber
49. Mr. Game & Watch
50. R.O.B.
51. Duck Hunt
52. Sonic
53. Mega Man
54. Pac-Man

Best roster ever guys, and imagine how awesome it will be with the inevitable DLC!

 

[SUPERJEM94]

If it's true about the Ice Climbers (or Ice Climber now), then it's a little sad to see Nana as an alt. But would still be happy to see them in the game.

 

[Jawmuncher]

Any leak saying snake isn't coming back I can't believe.
It just hurts too much.

 

[superNESjoe]

In regards to the performance deal, a GAFfer named Anth0ny already said that the 3DS chugged even during normal FFAs with items

This wouldn't happen to be based on multiplayer sessions played at Comic-Con would it? Because that's more than likely wireless lag based on the conditions of the event, and not local system performance issues.

 

[786110]

All I want is Lucas, Lucas is all I want, is I Lucas want all, all Lucas I is want, want is Lucas I all, Lucas est tout ce que je veux, Lucas es todo lo que yo quiero

http://www.miicharacters.com/index.php?t=mother+3

 

[Moonlight]

Well, who knows if this is real -- from the video leaker, allegedly -- but if it's true, then we'll see Bowser Jr. and Duck Hunt before the game comes out.

Come to think of it, that'd be rather appropriate, to reveal a Mario rep and Duck Hunt rep together in the same trailer. SMB1 and Duck Hunt were on the same cartridge, after all.

So, wait. He's an ESRB employee or something, right? The guy who leaked the videos, which were part of the footage that Nintendo showed the ESRB for evaluation?

How the fuck is he making definitive statements about what Sakurai will or won't mention (like Ridley being a boss) or what's in the WiiU version at all? Especially if he's just getting his information from the 3DS version.

This smells like some major bullshit.

 

[MiguelMexMIstery]

Man, look at this guys

1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Peach
4. Bowser
5. Rosalina & Luma
6. Bowser Jr.
7. Dr. Mario
8. Donkey Kong
9. Diddy Kong
10. Wario
11. Yoshi
12. Pikachu
13. Charizard
14. Jigglypuff
15. Lucario
16. Greninja
17. Link
18. Princess Zelda
19. Sheik
20. Ganondorf
21. Toon Link
22. Kirby
23. Meta Knight
24. Samus Aran
25. Zero Suit Samus
26. Marth
27. Ike
28. Robin
29. Lucina
30. Little Mac
31. Villager
32. Chorus Kids
33. Pit
34. Palutena
35. Dark Pit
36. Ness
37. Lucas
38. Olimar
39. Fox
40. Falco
41. Wolf
42. Captain Falcon
43. Shulk
44. Wii Fit Trainer
45. Mii Brawler
46. Mii Swordfighter
47. Mii Gunner
48. Ice Climber
49. Mr. Game & Watch
50. R.O.B.
51. Duck Hunt
52. Sonic
53. Mega Man
54. Pac-Man

Best roster ever guys, and imagine how awesome it will be with the inevitable DLC!

Have Chorus Kids already been confirmed?

 

[Pyrokai]

Couldn't 3DS have gimped Ice Climbers and Wii U have regular Ice Climbers? Technically still the same roaster, no?

 

[Vuapol]

Yeah, I'm not gonna buy anything any supposed leaker says from here on out without video or photographic evidence.

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Not that'd I complain about Wolf's return...

The Mario Kart 8 DLC is stellar to me because

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it's awesome

it removed any doubts in my mind that Smash wouldn't get DLC. Smash is getting DLC

Spoiler

in Summer 2015

and it's going to be amazing. Book it.

 

[georly]

I'd be fine with them changing Ice Climbers (two characters) to Ice Climber (one character, your choice of Popo or Nana).

I'm sure the moves would be suitably powered-up, recovery included.

That's taking away the essence of what made ice climbers unique. :/

It's like giving Game and Watch fluid animations, or taking away kirby's copy ability :/

 

[A Link to the Past]

If it's true about the Ice Climbers (or Ice Climber now), then it's a little sad to see Nana as an alt. But would still be happy to see them in the game.

What if the announcer calls her Nana?

 

[Professor Beef]

guys look what i found

 

[jnWake]

Metroid not getting newcomers has been explained many times already. The series isn't really character based (besides Samus of course). IMO Metroid should get stages rather than characters. Ridley is like the only plausible newcomer and he has (solvable) issues that can explain him not getting in. I'd enjoy Ridley getting in though, since he could be interesting.

DK not getting newcomers is weirder, I guess the down period between DK64 and DKCR is to blame. DKCTF may be a bit too recent for Dixie Kong. In any case, I hope at least Dixie is in.

It's a shame that people will now start with the bias bandwagon. I'll never understand why people like to antagonize devs so much. For reference, read any Zelda U thread where many people bash Aonuma for whatever he says or doesn't say.

 

[TomShoe]

guys look what i found

lol you are really late son

 

[I'M FINISHED!]

Couldn't 3DS have gimped Ice Climbers and Wii U have regular Ice Climbers? Technically still the same roaster, no?

That is what should happen if it is necessary, but we haven't seen anything like that yet.

 

[Tan]

Your guys' okayness with solo Ice Climbers is insane. Ice Climbers is one of the coolest characters in all of fighting games even if I don't really play them myself.

Not that that note is true at all.

 

[sfz]

All this talk about Dixie and Ridley, and all I want is Shrek and Goku.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Have Chorus Kids already been confirmed?

Oh sorry, I meant Marshal. I was going off of the recent leak - assuming, of course, that it's not bullshit. It probably is, but I want it to be real~.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Man, look at this guys

1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Peach
4. Bowser
5. Rosalina & Luma
6. Bowser Jr.
7. Dr. Mario
8. Donkey Kong
9. Diddy Kong
10. Wario
11. Yoshi
12. Pikachu
13. Charizard
14. Jigglypuff
15. Lucario
16. Greninja
17. Link
18. Princess Zelda
19. Sheik
20. Ganondorf
21. Toon Link
22. Kirby
23. Meta Knight
24. Samus Aran
25. Zero Suit Samus
26. Marth
27. Ike
28. Robin
29. Lucina
30. Little Mac
31. Villager
32. Chorus Kids
33. Pit
34. Palutena
35. Dark Pit
36. Ness
37. Lucas
38. Olimar
39. Fox
40. Falco
41. Wolf
42. Captain Falcon
43. Shulk
44. Wii Fit Trainer
45. Mii Brawler
46. Mii Swordfighter
47. Mii Gunner
48. Ice Climber
49. Mr. Game & Watch
50. R.O.B.
51. Duck Hunt
52. Sonic
53. Mega Man
54. Pac-Man

Best roster ever guys, and imagine how awesome it will be with the inevitable DLC!

Agreed, it's absolutely perfect. Literally the only thing I would want on top would be Mewtwo. But I'm sure he has a shot via DLC.

No newcomers from DK or Metroid is weird and bad, but not really surprising to me for some reason.

 

[MiguelMexMIstery]

guys look what i found

bah, fell for that sarcasm.

 

[Karsticles]

lol you are really late son

That's just Beef's sense of humor.

Edit: Goddamn, Beef got two! Hahaha.

 

[SUPERJEM94]

What if the announcer calls her Nana?

Oh man, that would be an awesome!

 

[SenorArdilla]

Oh man, that would be an awesome!

"This game's winner is... Ice Climber!"

Just like the Japanese version.