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[Neiteio]

The leakers have gone back and forth with the text dumps so many times that it's best to just ignore anything without pictures, moving or static.

The leakers remind me of Sméagol (spelling?) from LotR, during his schizophrenic episodes, talking one way to the camera on the left and another way to the camera on the right

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Honestly this would be the dream roster for me at this point:

Mario
Dr. Mario
Luigi
Peach
Rosalina & Luma
Bowser
Bowser Jr.
Yoshi
Wario

Link
Zelda
Sheik
Ganondorf
Toon Link
Marth
Lucina
Ike
Robin

Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Charizard
Mewtwo
Lucario
Greninja
Villager
Pikmin & Olimar
Chorus Kids

Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede
Pit
Dark Pit
Palutena
Mr. Game & Watch
R.O.B.
Wii Fit Trainer

Samus
Zero Suit Samus
Fox
Falco
Wolf
Captain Falcon
Ice Climbers
Little Mac
Duck Hunt

Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Ness
Lucas
Shulk
Sonic
Mega Man
Pac-Man
RANDOM/Mii Fighters

Mewtwo is the big wild card but still. That would be unbelievable for me.

 

[8 X 11 Printer Paper]

I'd almost rather this "leak" be fake, so Ice Climbers don't get separated even if it means there's a chance they aren't even DLC.

 

[Parallax]

Apparently this is from the video leaker:

Wolf is in according to this. Some spoilers? I guess?

I don't know if true or fake but take with a grain of salt. My friend found the image on Reddit from the same guy who leaked the vids.

By every veteran, he means every veteran that was present in brawl, right?

 

[emb]

Btw, your avatar is amazing. Light Suit Samus with Uncle Jesse hair? I know what I want for DLC.

lol, yeah. Blame superNESjoe. I lost an informal bet by being on TeamFake, but I'm pretty entertained by this avatar.

 

[MaverickHunterAsh]

The All-Star Mode was locked in the images, so the roster isn't finished, yet.

Yeah, there's that, but someone brought up the VERY good point that we have no confirmation that the locked All-Star icon and the leaked roster are directly related, i.e. they may not be from the same state of the game. :/

 

[Richie]

Sakurai is the King of the franchise and does as he pleases; Miyamoto himself had to ask him to consider Pac-Man back in Brawl, and stuff such as the daily drip drops of information, and eliciting a freaking revival of the Gamecube controller two generations later, are unparalleled among others working at/for Nintendo.

However, I can't help wondering that, even if Sakurai isn't planning any sort of DLC for the game whatsoever, if Nintendo wouldn't pretty much push him to change his mind should MK8's make huge bank.

 

[Neiteio]

Yeah, there's that, but someone brought up the VERY good point that we have no confirmation that the locked All-Star icon and the leaked roster are directly related, i.e. they may not be from the same state of the game. :/

Hey Ash, please tell me my hero André is prepping a video discussion with him celebrating the MK8 DLC news

 

[Neoxon]

Yeah, there's that, but someone brought up the VERY good point that we have no confirmation that the locked All-Star icon and the leaked roster are directly related, i.e. they may not be from the same state of the game. :/

My counter is that they would have shown the mode otherwise, instead we got a lock screen.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Better? The last major text leak was the DLC one, & that was a huge troll. All text leaks should be met with skepticism until we get visual evidence supporting it.

Do we even know if this text leak is actually from the leaker though?

I was talking about Brawl

 

[emb]

My counter is that they would have shown the mode otherwise, instead we got a lock screen.

On the opposite side of that, I feel like they wouldn't show an incomplete CSS to the ESRB.

 

[Neiteio]

I'm so distracted now by emb's avatar hair

That's one good-looking avy

 

[Neoxon]

I was talking about Brawl

Regardless, if a text leak is true, visual evidence will come around supporting it soon enough. Until then, we shouldn't immediately fall for any text leak with no visuals to back them up.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

On the opposite side of that, I feel like they wouldn't show an incomplete CSS to the ESRB.

I suppose those could've just been the characters that were complete at the time, then they sent another reel with the full roster once the others were done.

I mean, Smash Bros development goes down to the wire and they couldn't have waited until that last minute to send footage to ESRB right?

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

The reason I'm inclined to believe that Dark Pit isn't a close is because, like Evil Cole, he has the EXACT same design as regular Pit. At least other clones like Dr. Mario and Toon Link have different designs, Dark Pit and Pit look the same. Sakurai is going to have enough trouble giving them alternate colors/costumes that differentiate them. What would be the point of having two identical characters with identical moves? There has never been a clone THAT close to the original character. Not even Shadow Jago and Evil Ryu have the same design of Jago and Ryu. I think Dark Pit using staff is very likely. Not only would it make him unique from normal Pit, but it would be a visual indicator of which character is which.

 

[Neoxon]

On the opposite side of that, I feel like they wouldn't show an incomplete CSS to the ESRB.

All they'd really need to show are characters who could potentially have objectionable material. They'd stop unlocking when the last questionable character is available, then show it off to the ESRB.

 

[Mysterious]

Apparently this is from the video leaker:

Wolf is in according to this. Some spoilers? I guess?

I don't know if true or fake but take with a grain of salt. My friend found the image on Reddit from the same guy who leaked the vids.

So this guy was apparently an intern (which NoA doesn't do), and apparently knows of Sakurai's personal plans? I honestly don't think anyone at NoA (or hell even NCL) knows about Sakurai's plans with posts of the day. It seems to be more of a creative decision from the director, rather than corporate mandate.

Also a guy who's being sued will not continue to leak.

 

["D"]

It really is. If Sakurai is that scared of angering the fans of Falcondorf's moveset, all he needs to do is transfer that moveset to a real Falcon clone like Black Shadow for example and BAM! Ganondorf's a clean slate to do right.

It's a shame that Melee roster padding decision has stuck with Ganondorf all this time.

Don't get me wrong, Sakurai is a hell of a developer and I love Smash to death. But sometimes for the life of me I can't understand why he takes the simplest things and make them worse than what they need to be. Main things he has done that irked me were:

- Putting clones in the game that aren't Luigi. Back in Melee, Young Link even could have had his own weapons and slightly different moves since he had Majora's Mask already out and that could have given that game some good shine and attention. Ganondorf was just lazy, there's no logical way to defend this AT ALL. What's worse is his moveset was based on a character that he has NOTHING to do with in the slightest. As much as I like Roy (one of my mains), he could have been an alt for Marth with special properties or something if it arsed him that much to give him his own moveset. The way Pichu was handled was unnecessary. Jigglypuff was already the "joke" character but she was still effective in the right hands. I might be speaking for myself only but Pichu could have been left out. Dr. Mario should have been an alt as well with cosmetic changes like the pills and sfx. Nothing more. Falco could have gotten a different moveset that could have been a little creative with the blasters or maybe some other types of weapons. Luigi is the only one I feel deserves a pass as a "clone" because him and Mario are siblings and kinda share the same "discipline" anyway and this is reflected in all of their games.

- Removing characters. This applies to any "fighting genre" game even outside of Smash Bros as far as I'm concerned. When I think of a game, and a sequel to said game, I think of IMPROVEMENTS...adding things in to expand the player's experience with the game and make it different and better from the LAST, worthy of being called a sequel. To me, unless whatever you are removing from the game was a broken feature or something that was universally disliked, there is NO fair* reason to remove characters. *Some companies make them paid/free DLC later, it sucks but it happens*

Now, I do understand some people will say that clones don't impact the state of development due to how its perceived "easy" to implement them with very little work other than a model change and minor cosmetics...therefore not "hurting" any other character's chances of being included or removed, but at the same time for people that don't have this type of foresight, at least let us BELIEVE that having clones in the game doesn't hurt anyone else's chances. What I mean is instead of giving them their own spot on the character select screen, just include them in with the character they are "cloned" from, ala the "placebo effect."

As stated before, most people (especially casuals) wouldn't readily see the aforementioned truth without a bit of poking and prodding concerning clones but anyone who plays each iteration of the game and sees additions/removals in the roster can't help but to feel perhaps their character was either replaced or whatever the case may be.

 

[Neoxon]

So this guy was apparently an intern (which NoA doesn't do), and apparently knows of Sakurai's personal plans? I honestly don't think anyone at NoA (or hell even NCL) knows about Sakurai's plans with posts of the day. It seems to be more of a creative decision from the director, rather than corporate mandate.

Where does it say intern?

 

[Mysterious]

Where does it say intern?

Back in the last thread, some anonymous person claimed that he was the leaker's friend and that he was an intern in Redwood City.


Also a person who is being sued will not continue to leak.

 

[Fandangox]

[QUOTE="D";127253756]
Now, I do understand some people will say that clones don't impact the state of development due to how its perceived "easy" to implement them with very little work other than a model change and minor cosmetics...therefore not "hurting" any other character's chances of being included or removed, but at the same time for people that don't have this type of foresight, at least let us BELIEVE that having clones in the game doesn't hurt anyone else's chances. What I mean is instead of giving them their own spot on the character select screen, just include them in with the character they are "cloned" from, ala the "placebo effect."
[/QUOTE]


what

 

[Neoxon]

Back in the last thread, some anonymous person claimed that he was the leaker's friend and that he was an intern in Redwood City.


Also a person who is being sued will not continue to leak.

Okay, fair enough.

 

[Ryce]

[QUOTE="D";127253756]at least let us BELIEVE that having clones in the game doesn't hurt anyone else's chances. What I mean is instead of giving them their own spot on the character select screen, just include them in with the character they are "cloned" from, ala the "placebo effect."[/QUOTE]
I... what.

 

[emb]

I suppose those could've just been the characters that were complete at the time, then they sent another reel with the full roster once the others were done.

I mean, Smash Bros development goes down to the wire and they couldn't have waited until that last minute to send footage to ESRB right?

It goes down to the wire, but I don't think adding whole characters is part of that. Like he mentioned in a recent update, it's probably mainly debugging. But he did mention a costume being completed only very recently, so who knows.

All they'd really need to show are characters who could potentially have objectionable material. They'd stop unlocking when the last questionable character is available, then show it off to the ESRB.

That's reasonable.

My thought would be that the character lineup is relevant enough to 'typical gameplay' to be included.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Back in the last thread, some anonymous person claimed that he was the leaker's friend and that he was an intern in Redwood City.


Also a person who is being sued will not continue to leak.

It's strange enough that someone said that Nintendo DON'T ACCEPT Internship at their work places in the past thread.

Here is the proof.

Internship Opportunities:
Nintendo of America currently does not offer any internship programs. Thank you for your interest.

http://www.nintendo.com/corp/jobs.jsp

 

[Loco4Coco]

Can we just get Mega Lucario pic tonight? jeez.

 

[Boss Doggie]

I just want Wolf confirmed to be in ;_;

 

[Neiteio]

Maybe by "intern" they mean something off the books, like Sakurai's super-secret apprentice, who carries buckets of water on his back up and down stairs to a Shinto shrine, and meets with Sakurai under a shower of sakura blossoms to discuss the Smash roster

 

["D"]

I... what.

what

Not having any sort of knowledge how Sakurai implements clones, would it be easier for you to accept having these "clones" as alts for the characters they are cloned from (not applying this to Ganon/Falcon of course), or having them on the character select screen, while someone else is "removed"?

 

[GiantBreadbug]

It goes down to the wire, but I don't think adding whole characters is part of that. Like he mentioned in a recent update, it's probably mainly debugging. But he did mention a costume being completed only very recently, so who knows.

Like, maybe there could be another ESRB rating video floating around out there where, after the original was sent in, they finished work on some other characters and sent a video with them?

I'm just trying to imagine a scenario that explains why the leak wouldn't have the full roster.

Maybe by "intern" they mean something off the books, like Sakurai's super-secret apprentice, who carries buckets of water on his back up and down stairs to a Shinto shrine, and meets with Sakurai under a shower of sakura blossoms to discuss the Smash roster

I want that job.

 

[Neiteio]

Can someone transplant the John Stamos hair from EMB's avatar onto my own avatar? I'm just... I'm just curious.

Put it on top of the hat. You can let the bill stick out.

 

[Ryce]

[QUOTE="D";127254158]Not having any sort of knowledge how Sakurai implements clones, would it be easier for you to accept having these "clones" as alts for the characters they are cloned from, or having them on the character select screen, while someone else is "removed"?[/QUOTE]
Uh, the select screen.

 

[Big One]

I dunno I found the rumor about Ice Climbers being cut to be rather dumb imo. I mean, their enemies are in the smash Run...why WOULDN'T we get them?

 

[Hyperactivity]

It's strange enough that someone said that Nintendo DON'T ACCEPT Internship at their work places in the past thread.

Here is the proof.

Internship Opportunities:
Nintendo of America currently does not offer any internship programs. Thank you for your interest.

http://www.nintendo.com/corp/jobs.jsp

So does that mean they currently aren't looking for interns, or no interns in general?

 

[Mysterious]

It's strange enough that someone said that Nintendo DON'T ACCEPT Internship at their work places in the past thread.

Here is the proof.

Internship Opportunities:
Nintendo of America currently does not offer any internship programs. Thank you for your interest.

http://www.nintendo.com/corp/jobs.jsp

Yeah that was me.

I have no idea about NoE/NCL, but this "leaker" specifically said Redwood City, so yeah, bullshit.

Also if someone is being sued for breaking an NDA, they are not going to fuck themselves even more by "leaking" more. So this dude is definitely an imposter.

And NoA/NoE/NCL probably don't know what Sakurai is planning for POTD months in advance since it doesn't affect the business side and Sakurai has full creative control. So I don't trust his "Sakurai won't show Ridley as a stage hazard" thing.

 

["D"]

Uh, the select screen.

To each his own then..

EDIT: But do you at least see where I'm coming from? If you seen a clone that wasn't in a previous game, but a character that had they own moveset was missing, wouldn't you feel like that character might've been replaced by the clone character?

But if the clone was just an alt and the unique character was missing anyway, then there wouldn't be anything to try to blame other than Sakurai just randomly giving someone the axe.

 

[johnbone]

Clones really do bring out the crazy in some people....it's some strange-ass psychological effect I guess! A defense mechanism from the brain to find a scapegoat....

 

[emb]

Can someone transplant the John Stamos hair from EMB's avatar onto my own avatar? I'm just... I'm just curious.

Put it on top of the hat. You can let the bill stick out.

xD

Your avatar is going to be ridiculous. Or rather, more ridiculous.

 

[Crimmy]

Wow, first Smash Bros game I don't purchase

 

[oreomunsta]

I just want Wolf confirmed to be in ;_;

I hear ya ;~;

 

[Ryce]

[QUOTE="D";127254299]To each his own then..[/QUOTE]
I suspect Alph and the Koopalings will be treated as special "costumes" with their own names and voices, which is what you seem to be suggesting. But when characters like Toon Link and Lucina have unique attributes, a few unique animations, and their own taunts, they aren't "alts" anymore and deserve their own select screen tiles.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

Wow, first Smash Bros game I don't purchase

see ya, wouldn't wanna be ya.

 

[Fandangox]

[QUOTE="D";127254158]Not having any sort of knowledge how Sakurai implements clones, would it be easier for you to accept having these "clones" as alts for the characters they are cloned from (not applying this to Ganon/Falcon of course), or having them on the character select screen, while someone else is "removed"?[/QUOTE]

Isn't this the people's own fault though? Info about how much time these clones tend to take in Smash and what are the pros/cons are (i.e it 7 clones over 1 unique character in melee) is out there. If people don't read up that stuff and complain about its not one's fault but them.

 

[Lunar15]

I go to Korea for only a week and you guys already went though an entire thread and the roster has been pretty much revealed.

Hot Damn.

Spoiler

I should travel more.

 

[OricWindstar]

I go to Korea for a week and you guys already went though an entire thread and the roster has been pretty much revealed.

Hot Damn.

Spoiler

I should travel more.

I'll get the tickets!

 

[Troubled Bat]

I just want Wolf confirmed to be in ;_;

Noh! Not until I get Ice Climbers.. Then you can have Wolf

Wow, first Smash Bros game I don't purchase

Why is that?

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I dunno I found the rumor about Ice Climbers being cut to be rather dumb imo. I mean, their enemies are in the smash Run...why WOULDN'T we get them?

We might just be making an assumption that representation in Smash Run means representation in the character select. We only assume that because all the enemies we have seen in Smash Run have character corollaries, but it's a Nintendo universe game. Most enemies they use will have a series a Smash character represents.

Ice Climbers enemies in Smash Run could easily mean the opposite, that not every enemy in Smash Run has a character representative.

 

[friskykillface]

Solo ice climber :/ damn you 3DS
I loved doing the spin move with the ice climbers in brawl

At least include both for Wii u version

Lol not even a stage boss, King L Rool is mad :'( and probably means another bad DK stage

 

[Hyperactivity]

Wow, first Smash Bros game I don't purchase

Gonna see how long this lasts

 

[Gabeking]

Apparently this is from the video leaker:

Wolf is in according to this. Some spoilers? I guess?

I don't know if true or fake but take with a grain of salt. My friend found the image on Reddit from the same guy who leaked the vids.

That's not from the video leaker, just some 4chan loser