Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 14: Snake... had a hard life

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Lucas getting cut sucks double for me because, while I love MOTHER 3. I've tried to play Earthbound many times and it always loses my attention around the time you arrive to that trippy island.
 
Neiteio said:
Can someone transplant the John Stamos hair from EMB's avatar onto my own avatar? I'm just...

I'm just curious.

Put it on top of the hat. You can let the bill stick out.
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Red Arremer said:
If there wouldn't have been clones in Melee, we wouldn't have gotten the same amount of characters, as you seem to think. The Melee roster would've been made up of 20 characters (counting Sheik here), maybe 21 if Sakurai would've added Dedede instead of the 6 clones as he planned.
The reason why clone characters exist is to expand the roster with little workload, as the base animations etc. are already there. Yes, Falco, Ganon, Young Link etc. could have gotten a different moveset, but if you believe they would've been in Melee in that case, you're delusional. The Melee development team had the option of making a game with 6 more clones, or a game with 6 less characters.
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Personally, I would have preferred six less characters. Ganondorf is still stuck in clone hell just because the Melee team decided for quantity over quality.
 
[QUOTE="D";127254158]Not having any sort of knowledge how Sakurai implements clones, would it be easier for you to accept having these "clones" as alts for the characters they are cloned from (not applying this to Ganon/Falcon of course), or having them on the character select screen, while someone else is "removed"?[/QUOTE]
If they are a different character, then I want them on the CSS. I would be so pissed off if Lucina was just an alt. I really don't mind Doctor Mario either even tho he is the same person.

The only alts that would ever make sense when they are different characters are the Koopalings, which are happening, and gender alts for custom characters, which are also happening. (I do hope we can choose which alt for characters like Koopalings and Robin that appear on the CSS tho.)
 
Pit gets a shitty palette swap upgraded to full clone while Lucas gets the axe without ever getting his own moveset.

FUCK YOU SAKURAI

Strangely I don't actually care, despite Mother 3 being one of my favorite games ever.
 
emb said:
I love this video. I always half forget about it by the next time it gets brought up. Sakurai is so silly. And if your post is to be believed, horribly vindictive.
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Not only did Sakurai cut her character even though he beat her, but she's now a struggling mother since he impregnated her just by making eye contact and sitting 3 feet away
 
sfz said:
I'm curious to hear potential move sets for Marshall / Chorus Men/Kids. What are your ideas?
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Like some of the characters, their moves will be loosely based on Rhythm Heaven stuff- potentially even taking references from the game in areas they aren't in.

I have less of a feeling it'll be musically inclined, maybe utilizing a rhythm technique that if you can follow a pattern it'll result in a chain of moves- kind of like Marth's side special.
 
Red Arremer said:
If there wouldn't have been clones in Melee, we wouldn't have gotten the same amount of characters, as you seem to think. The Melee roster would've been made up of 20 characters (counting Sheik here), maybe 21 if Sakurai would've added Dedede instead of the 6 clones as he planned.
The reason why clone characters exist is to expand the roster with little workload, as the base animations etc. are already there. Yes, Falco, Ganon, Young Link etc. could have gotten a different moveset, but if you believe they would've been in Melee in that case, you're delusional. The Melee development team had the option of making a game with 6 more clones, or a game with 6 less characters.



During development, there's this thing called "time restraints". The characters that were cut from Brawl all were clones - so you actually got part of your wish! - except for Mewtwo. And why Mewtwo was cut we don't know exactly, but it most certainly was a mixture of having little time to implement Sonic into the game, as well as other aspects (Sakurai mentioned in an interview that the Pokemon company is difficult to work with because they want their characters represented in a very certain way). Mewtwo was not intended to be removed up until the very last minute, as the amount of leftover data for him suggests, unlike most of the other characters that were cut much earlier into development. Overall, Brawl updated Young Link visually and decloned the kept clones further, and replaced 3 of Melee's clones (Doc, Pichu and Roy) and 1 unique character (Mewtwo) with a total amount of 16 characters, out of which none are as cloney as the cut clones, and the 2 new characters usually complained about being clones (Wolf and Lucas) are actually extremely unique in their gameplay.
If you think that's a downgrade, then I'm sorry, but that's a pretty stupid way of looking at this.

Also, if the rumors are true and Squirtle, Ivysaur and Snake are cut, then I don't see why you would think that a travesty either - Snake was a guest character from a 3rd party company. These characters always are in danger of not making any future rosters of fighting games. It's the same everywhere else. That's why they're "guests".
And Squirtle and Ivysaur are logical cuts. If they were kept in, we would have 5 gen 1 Pokemon, with only 2 other gen Pokemon as counterweight. Squirtle and Ivysaur also are not particularly popular within the Pokemon franchise, and gen 1 already is represented by 3 of its most popular mascots, so why bother adding 2 more semi- to notreally-popular ones? It's also likely that bringing in Squirtle and Ivysaur would remove 2 other (non-clone) characters from the roster instead.



That would be a stupid change. So if I wanted to play Falco or Ganondorf, I'd have to pick Fox/Falcon and scroll a billion times until I get that character, who is actually entirely different to play



No character that was cut was replaced. With Dr. Mario coming back, we haven't seen any character who plays remotely close to Pichu or Mewtwo, and Lucina's slightly different from Roy in how their sword mechanics work, so even Roy would arguably have a place. So who has been replaced, then?
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Time restraints are an anomaly cause you really have to make changes you don't want to at the last minute but why not add the characters back in later via DLC or in a future game, instead of them remaining MIA completely? I personally praise the Tekken series for this cause they have actively been trying to bringeveryone back from past games, and Tekken is a larger game in terms of development and gameplay.

Just my own opinion on the matter but Squirtle and Ivysaur does bother me that they are cut but I do agree with your point with too many Pokemon and generation representing. I personally wasn't expecting Snake to return myself but it still sucks to have him removed. I don't believe cuts should be made in ANY game but I understand why some of them are made, even if I don't like them.

If there were no clones or the idea of clones, then would this idea be as far-fetched? Probably not. The Falcon/Ganon thing doesn't apply as I mentioned before.

When I said replaced I meant that someone else "might've" taken their spot, not a similar character. That's my fault for not making that point clear so that's my bad.
 
Kinsei said:
Personally, I would have preferred six less characters. Ganondorf is still stuck in clone hell just because the Melee team decided for quantity over quality.
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I can agree with this too. More characters to me isn't always better, unless they are done justice.
 
[QUOTE="D";127255376]I'm saying it should be handled differently to at least keep people from assuming that this is whats happening, because the cry about having xxx removed or having a "mistreated moveset" is just as high as people begging for xxx to be included. Either make them an alt w/special properties or give them their own moveset.[/QUOTE]

... or just let them whine about it?
 
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