Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 14: Snake... had a hard life

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Played some SSE last night. I like the concept of the mode and the cut-scenes, but the actual implementation is not very good. When I first played it I didn't mind it so much, but now it feels so slow and clunky.

For some reason I replayed the whole thing over the last week, I honestly don't mind it much at all.
It's far too long for what it is and the mechanics of smash in general can make things clunky at times but it feels like the logical progression of the Adventure Mode concept to me, the boss fights are pretty fun as well.

I wont miss it but I would've liked to see a halfway point between SSE and Melee Adventure in one of these two SSB outings.
 
Do we know why they were banned?

Who else got banned? ;_;

Who got banned AT ALL? And why?

Eh? Who got banned and why?

Seems so random these days

EDIT: lol, Finale Fireworker and I asking the hard questions

From top of my head, Jedi Link, Immaculate, Wreck-It-Ralph, KHLover, Hatchtag and few that I can't remember right now.


Who else got banned? I HIGHLY doubt that's why this thread is moving slower
especially because you're not banned :P

You got me there since we know that we had a good evidence to prove that thread would be slow without one of us, me or you. When you got banned, the thread was utter slow. :P
 
Any idea how I can replace Goroh's face with Uncle Jesse's on my avatar? I'll take you up on that loss, but all I have is MS Paint, so I'll lose transparency if I do anything to the avatar.

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I'll do it for you, check your PM soon.

Now I feel like a dick... :U
 
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The tournament legal stage list for the 3DS version must be minuscule at this point.

Yeah, because after the overwhelming success that was Comic Con's tournament, I'm sure the competitive scene is going to be all over a wireless only tournament like that. :P

In all seriousness, with the way tournaments are set up, there would be no way a 3DS game can ever make for an effective tournament game. With having to set up the capture card for each match to a unique 3DS and the possibility for wireless lag is a big no-no
 
If that leak is real, and black shadow is an alt costume of captain falcon, that's almost like sakurai spitting in the face of (zelda, not smash) ganondorf fans. Sigh.
 
Btw, I'm not really expecting anything to come of this new AllStar leak; doesn't his current stance go against his comments on there being Chorus Kids, Mewtwo, and Dixie Kong remaining? Or was that just a troll?
 
Yeah, because after the overwhelming success that was Comic Con's tournament, I'm sure the competitive scene is going to be all over a wireless only tournament like that. :P

In all seriousness, with the way tournaments are set up, there would be no way a 3DS game can ever make for an effective tournament game. With having to set up the capture card for each match to a unique 3DS and the possibility for wireless lag is a big no-no

Agreed, I think the 3DS version of Smash is going to be seen as a supplement to the Wii U version. I cannot see the competitive community adopting the 3DS version for any reason.
 
Well at least we'll know tonight.
To prove this is real, AllStar is gonna release a photo on 4chan tonight, of Ganondorf, Zero Suit Samus, Palutena and Dark Pit's trophy descriptions. He might even make a shout out to my american friend, Pyrokenetika. So watch out for that!

If by some way he never actually delivers, I will promise to close all my remaining alts and never come back. I will forever be known as the most pathetic user on gamefaqs, that's how sure I am that my friend isn't pulling my leg.
Somehow I don't think he cares if he has to delete his GameFAQs account though. :P
 

i dont play luigi, but a Mr. L alt costume would be pretty badass.


i really like so far how they have been handling alt costumes, just from the ones sakurai has shown off. murika Mario, wireframe and hoodie Mac, it seems like they are making it much more robust and not just cop out color changes like basically everyone minus the alt colors for wario from brawl
 
Oh boy, look out guys it's gushing time

So - let's entertain the thought that the leaked roster is final, and those 5 slots will stay empty in the game.

However, there will be a DLC character pack, with 9 characters - 3 newcomers, 3 new clones and 3 veterans. Which would you choose to fill it?

Also, characters which are already stage bosses / hazards and assist trophies are ineligible.

Newcomers

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The Wonderful Ones
You know me already by now. I've been vouching for a TW101 rep since the very start. It's simple really, Smash stands as a representation between the past, present and future of Nintendo, and when the Wii U was to provide new experiences, none of those were as high up the ladder as TW101 for me. To this day, they still treated this as their own baby, like a brand new IP, despite Platinum developing it. Who can blame them? The game started out as a Nintendo All-Star Crossover until Nintendo suggested they create brand new characters for a new franchise. And they fucking delivered. Not only is every single Wonderful One a character with their own distinguishable personality, they all come with their own abilities, and the world around them has an expansive story and lore to it. How can this not be considered "franchise" material, least of all Smash material when every character has their own set of moves and abilities?

But while people prefer to just say they want Wonder Red, I think that's underselling the point of TW101, and that point is teamwork, hence why I label it as "The Wonderful Ones". A tag team fighter unlike anything else, representing the characters highlighted in the image above. Much like the game they stem from, The Wonderful Ones would ideally play as a team. Three characters; Red, Blue and Green, move together as one actual unit (not being AI controlled like Ice Climbers) and mix-match attacks. Red has his short ranged but powerful fists, Blue has his long-range sword and Green attacks with projectiles (and since he's only followed by Red and Blue, two projectiles at most). And the final Smash? None other than the ultimate planetary defense mecha, Mother Platinum.

Hire me, Sakurai.

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Inkling
If a three-man fighter is too much to add to Smash now that it has to share double duties with the 3DS, then this is equally as viable to fit the void. There is a perfectly good reason as to why Splatoon got the attention it did as an underdog game of this year's E3. If people had a problem with TW101 being an outsourced new IP then this takes it back to the home base with all the same principles - a recognizable character, incredibly versatile abilities and a world with some nifty lore and details to it (the music in particular being described as "the kind of music Nintendo imagine the kids of that world listen to"). I mean, Squid kids with Inkredible mobility. You can't go wrong with that.

The Inklings could have the potential to even put someone like Sonic to shame in terms of mind games if done right. The idea of ink as not just a weapon but a means of movement is incredibly exciting.

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Marshal
While I fully expect a RH rep in the final game this is entertaining the assumption that they aren't. And even so I feel like if it really does end up being the Chorus Kids, that might be a misplaced character choice. The way I see it the advantages of Marshal are purely down to the idea of a Ness vs. Ninten scenario. Even though the latter was the original which their successor ended up becoming based on, there is a lot more recognizability to be had with the newer iteration not just in terms of what they do but how they're presented. The Chorus Kids stem from only one aspect of Rhythm Heaven and were only made to do one thing. On top of that, they're a trio, which could only end up making balancing them out harder when it comes to making the game for 3DS.

But Marshal? He's the guide to Fever. He has his own tutorial game. He leads you through the ins and outs of Rhythm Heaven, and is also the main star of the game's new iteration of Night Walk. Not only is his potential moveset completely open to anyone's interpretation, but as a "mascot" character, wouldn't it be awesome if every one of his moves references Rhythm Heaven in a way? Everyone says they want either The Wrestler, or Karate Joe. Wouldn't the best way to represent all of these be the way Rhythm Heaven is as a franchise; bite-sized disconnected experiences, brought together by the sum of it's whole? This character is the perfect fit for the job.

New Clones


Kumatora
I'm going to turn this into a bit of a Fox/Falco/Wolf scenario here and label Kumatora as an extended semi-clone to Lucas and Ness. The reason for this is while Lucas inherits all of Kumatora's moves (much like Ness inherits Paula and Poo's moves), Smash needs more kick-ass ladies, and Kumatora is a very physical fighter on top of that. The idea here is, the way I see it, Kumatora gets different normal moves but the special moves are virtually the same in concept, much like Wolf and Fox's parallels.


Metal Sonic
If I'd have it my way I'd mostly hope for Metal Sonic to just be an alt for Sonic, but it doesn't seem like that's going to be the case here, so this is really the best I can hope for. Metal Sonic was made to be Sonic's equal, and transplanting his moveset shouldn't be a problem. That said, there are a few changes I can see. Metal Sonic has historically in game play been a mite faster than Sonic, and while that's arguably pushing it just a tad already, it can make a world of a difference. In turn, this character could overall be weaker, and replaces spinning with some of his other moves such as his Black Shield or his Thrusters. The original Mecha also went Super so there's no problem to use that as a final Smash. That or he can adopt his Metal Overlord form if they really want to push the bar.

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Weavel
I only put this guy in the clone section since I really don't know who else to pick and the newcomer slot is full. But really, Metroid deserves a new rep, and even though this guy is so low under the radar due to being consigned as an enemy in one of the most disliked Metroid games ever, Weavel has a lot of precedent to exist in Metroid, and in Smash as well. He's basically a supersoldier engineered by the Space Pirates in order to take down Samus. That is an awesome premise for a rival character, and since the only differentiating parts with each Hunter in Metroid Prime Hunters was the special ability, there shouldn't be any qualms in copying most of Samus' moves.

Veterans

I don't feel as strongly about the cuts so I'll make this one more quick instead.

Ice Climbers - The only cut I am really opposed to, as they were one of the most unique fighters and had an exciting gimmick to them. I loved to play as them in Brawl and it's sad to see them go.
Lucas - I care jack shit for Lucas but I include him mostly because if he's not in, having Kumatora as a clone wouldn't make sense.
Wolf - Because why not, he was a good character and Star Fox had a nice trio of characters in Brawl.
 
From top of my head, Jedi Link, Immaculate, Wreck-It-Ralph, KHLover, Hatchtag and few that I can't remember right now.

That many? Wow. A result of the 5AM thread-closing PotD madness I assume?

And Black Shadow as a Captain Falcon alt?

It really is. If Sakurai is that scared of angering the fans of Falcondorf's moveset, all he needs to do is transfer that moveset to a real Falcon clone like Black Shadow for example and BAM! Ganondorf's a clean slate to do right.

It's a shame that Melee roster padding decision has stuck with Ganondorf all this time.

...Dammit Sakurai.
Too bad it's fake~
 
I hope Daisy's a costume, rather than a palette swap for Peach for the 3rd time in a row. Even though most people find her annoying for her catchphrase, I'd be cool with her making a slightly more proper appearance.
 
ok guys out of that list the only one who presumably got banned late in the last thread or in this thread is Hatchtag

the real reason is because we've already discussed the leak
 
Shit, I forgot about the Uncle Jesse thing... I'm pretty sure I said I'd be part of that, but I don't know. What could I do to my avatar?
 
Would be really nice if there's another Direct with a newcomer reveal. Or even just a newcomer reveal with a countdown like with Lucina and Robin.
 
Shit, I forgot about the Uncle Jesse thing... I'm pretty sure I said I'd be part of that, but I don't know. What could I do to my avatar?

Whatever you want. You can slap a terrible shop of Jesse's face onto it, or you can just shop his hair over Samus, or you can just not do anything. It was all meant to be in good fun.
I'm only saying that because I didn't have to change my to that peasant, Uncle Joey.
 
I think Ganondorf's original moveset made sense at the time simply because he hadn't been shown using swords in OoT, all he was missing was a projectile but the rest of the stuff he does are all things I could see OoT Ganondorf doing.


I like playing as Smash Ganondorf because I like the moveset and because I like Ganondorf, it would be a lot less interesting to me if they changed it to Black Shadow.
 
Would be really nice if there's another Direct with a newcomer reveal. Or even just a newcomer reveal with a countdown like with Lucina and Robin.

A countdown on Friday to a special Labor Day reveal would be ace. Whole day off to just constantly watch the reveal and discuss the character.
 
Would be really nice if there's another Direct with a newcomer reveal. Or even just a newcomer reveal with a countdown like with Lucina and Robin.

I'd prefer a surprise reveal with no countdown.

EDIT: To everyone who wants Dixie as a clone: I hate you. She deserves so much better.
 
Have we seen the Blood Falcon colour yet? They may have tweaked it so it is an alt costume now.
They already got the scarf right (well, wrong for Captain lol) and the insignia on the back changes on the Blood Falcon color in Brawl, so might as well go the extra mile here and make it an actual alt.
 
You got me there since we know that we had a good evidence to prove that thread would be slow without one of us, me or you. When you got banned, the thread was utter slow. :P

Part of the crew, part of the thread. Part of the crew, part of the thread...

But seriously, didn't realize any of them except Jedi Link got banned, what happened?
 
EDIT: To everyone who wants Dixie as a clone: I hate you. She deserves so much better.

I don't even understand how this would work at all.

- Diddy uses a gun, Dixie has never even been seen with a weapon
- Diddy uses a jetpack. Dixie has no use for a jetpack, she can fly with her hair.
- Diddy has a tail he uses for attacks. Dixie does not have a tail to use for attacks.

The amount of work to make Dixie a clone would be as much as just giving her, her own moveset...
 
I don't even understand how this would work at all.

- Diddy uses a gun, Dixie has never even been seen with a weapon
- Diddy uses a jetpack. Dixie has no use for a jetpack, she can fly with her hair.
- Diddy has a tail he uses for attacks. Dixie does not have a tail to use for attacks.

The amount of work to make Dixie a clone would be as much as just giving her, her own moveset...
Slight nitpick, but Dixie has a weapon as of Tropical Freeze. A crossbow that fires jellybeans, IIRC.

But I agree with the larger point you're making. It's hard to imagine them making Dixie a clone of Diddy. The huge role her hair would play in her specials and normals would seem to rule out cloning.
 
I'd prefer a surprise reveal with no countdown.

EDIT: To everyone who wants Dixie as a clone: I hate you. She deserves so much better.

I selected her simply because I wanted her in the game, but there were other character's I felt were more deserving if I could only choose 3. With some tweaking she could cheat her way in by being a clone.
 
I don't even understand how this would work at all.

- Diddy uses a gun, Dixie has never even been seen with a weapon
- Diddy uses a jetpack. Dixie has no use for a jetpack, she can fly with her hair.
- Diddy has a tail he uses for attacks. Dixie does not have a tail to use for attacks.

The amount of work to make Dixie a clone would be as much as just giving her, her own moveset...
Dixie Kong does have a bubble gum gun in Tropical Freeze. If she's in, I could imagine her being a semi-clone to Diddy, with some shared moves but a good amount of unique moves, too.
 
Drago, here is your avatar.

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Shame that Chibi Robo didn't get in :(

That many? Wow. A result of the 5AM thread-closing PotD madness I assume?
...Dammit Sakurai.
Too bad it's fake~

Part of the crew, part of the thread. Part of the crew, part of the thread...

But seriously, didn't realize any of them except Jedi Link got banned, what happened?

Nope, none of them got banned in SmashGAF. All got banned due to their aggressive posts in other threads but it's not good place to talking about it here.

Some of the people on that list were banned months ago, and not a single one in relation to this thread.

You just took it out of my mouth
 
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