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[JoeInky]

Hades being the final boss would make it seem more like Smash is inside the KI universe rather than Smash containing the KI universe.

Smash is not a KI game, keep the final boss to Smash characters.

 

[Azure J]

Not defending the Hades as true final boss suggestion or anything, but what about (Giga) Bowser?

I'm going to make sure to include him in all my fake rosters from now on. It makes perfect sense, it's magic so you don't even have to explain how he work.

Just for starters
Basic projectile - throwing cards. This could be Hanafuda or traditional playing cards (Nintendo made both)
Grab - Ultra Hand
Launch attack - Ultra Machine
Stun attack - Light Telephone
Final Smash - Mach Rider (oh ho ho ho ho)

Man, I wish I had thought of this before.

His shield should totally be a hastily slapped together wall of N&B bricks with an animation akin to cartoon characters building brick walls in an instant. :lol

 

[Aβydoς]

what a douche

LOL, day one buyer right there.

 

[Green Mamba]

Yeah, the final boss should be franchise neutral to be fair.

 

[IntelliHeath]

People like Bob there don't bother me. I mean, it's his money, he can spend it how he wants and he's free to say how he thinks the product could be better.

I'm fine with him saying that he's not going to buy the game. From my perceptive, I felt that he was disrespectful toward to Sakurai.

 

[OricWindstar]

While I haven't read this yet, I refuse to believe this got more than one vote

It didn't.

 

[Berordn]

Hades being the final boss would make it seem more like Smash is inside the KI universe rather than Smash containing the KI universe.

Smash is not a KI game, keep the final boss to Smash characters.

I wouldn't mind if Hades was a final boss, though probably not the final boss. Giga Bowser, Master & Crazy Hand, Marx, Demon Beast Ganon, and maybe even Tabuu

Spoiler

ugh

would all be good.

 

[Kinsei]

It's part of Flatzone 2 lol

I can already hear people complaining about Kid Icarus bias.

In my defense, I haven't played Brawl in over 5 years.

 

[Neiteio]

Yeah, the final boss should be franchise neutral to be fair.

I don't think the franchises are keeping score, lol

LOL, day one buyer right there.

Yeah, anyone emotionally invested enough to post on Miiverse is buying the game no matter what.

 

[CassSept]

what a douche

 

[StreetsAhead]

Hanafuda Cards as a newcomer? Buh?

This is like that time lolpho went in trying to sarcastically pitch Sheriff as a rep. They'd probably make cool throwing items though. "Everyone is Gambit now."

I would totally be down for Gumshoe as a rep. Heck, even Dion could be cool.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Yeah, the final boss should be franchise neutral to be fair.

Disagree! I think it's fun to toy around with the idea of having one boss be the main boss. I mean, UMvC3 got Thanatos (I think?).

 

[JoeInky]

I'm fine with him saying that he's not going to buy the game. From my perceptive, I felt that he was disrespectful toward to Sakurai.

Does that actually pass as disrespectful or is my 4chan background just making it seem incredibly tame to me?

 

[MrSaturn99]

I'm fine with him saying that he's not going to buy the game. From my perceptive, I felt that he was disrespectful toward to Sakurai.

Yeah, exactly. The leaker was not "a hero."

 

[JoeInky]

Disagree! I think it's fun to toy around with the idea of having one boss be the main boss. I mean, UMvC3 got Thanatos (I think?).

There is a main boss - Master Hand or, alternatively, Tabuu.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Does that actually pass as disrespectful or is my 4chan background just making it seem incredibly tame to me?

I don't know. People have different opinions on the situation. For me, I just don't like people that would disrespect other peoples' works unless they deserved it.

 

[Ahnez]

What if the "final boss" changes acording to the character you're playing?

 

[A Link to the Past]

There is a main boss - Master Hand or, alternatively, Tabuu.

But also Giga Bowser :v

 

[Beelzebufo]

I still don't see how this is a fair assumption with All-Star Mode locked (although admittedly this could mean absolutely nothing and could've been captured for the video at a different point in that save file) and especially with all the extra space on the CSS.

Not all of the video shots are based on the same save file, as evidenced by how the "Collected trophies" count changes from trophy to trophy. The All-star could be locked when all the characters weren't unlocked, and then they were by the time we saw the select screen. Melee had "empty slots" too, and there weren't any more characters. There's really no reason to think there's any more characters until we see more. Otherwise you're just going to get your hopes.

 

[SuperSah]

Playing cards are a wanted newcomer?

wut

 

[A Link to the Past]

What if the "final boss" changes acording to the character you're playing?

I could totally see that being a thing, but it'd have to be one of the Wii U version's exclusives, definitely.

Speaking of Wii U exclusives, my prediction is

Target Test
Stage Builder
Adventure Mode
Event Mode

 

[PadWarrior]

I hope there are many

Spoiler

Nintendo

bosses in the game.

One boss per franchise with playable characters will already be more than Brawl had

I would love to fight dr wily

 

[JoeInky]

But also Giga Bowser :v

Giga Bowser is more of a side boss than a Final Boss, it's not something higher up the chain of command than Master Hand, Crazy Hand or Tabuu.

 

[BGBW]

Bowser is kind of the main bad guy of Nintendo so him being the final boss in Adventure mode didn't bother me.

Either stick with the classics like Master Hand or pick a Nintendo character who doesn't have a playable rep to be the big bad like

Spoiler

Mister Magician

.

 

[georly]

I could totally see that being a thing, but it'd have to be one of the Wii U version's exclusives, definitely.

Speaking of Wii U exclusives, my prediction is

Target Test
Stage Builder
Adventure Mode
Event Mode

My guess is that not only are Target test and event mode in Wii U, but you can make your own custom target tests and events in wii U, and then share them with friends.

Not too sure about adventure mode though, but we'll see!

 

[StreetsAhead]

Playing cards are a wanted newcomer?

wut

People seem to want some purple pterodactyl, too.

People are weird.

 

[Kinsei]

what a douche

I think the leak did more harm than good. I wonder how many people disappointed with the roster (myself included), would not have been if we got proper reveals with some cool gameplay?

 

[Neiteio]

Not all of the video shots are based on the same save file, as evidenced by how the "Collected trophies" count changes from trophy to trophy. The All-star could be locked when all the characters weren't unlocked, and then they were by the time we saw the select screen. Melee had "empty slots" too, and there weren't any more characters. There's really no reason to think there's any more characters until we see more. Otherwise you're just going to get your hopes.

I agree with Beelzebufo. We don't know whether the locked All-Stars shot was taken before or after the shot of the Character Select Screen. Thus, it is possible that the CSS we saw is, in fact, the full extent of the characters in the game.

Presently, I'm only letting myself expect Bowser Jr., Duck Hunt, Shulk, and Dark Pit where additional newcomers are concerned. And I don't expect Snake, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Lucas, Wolf, Ice Climbers, Snake or Mewtwo to be in the base game.

 

[superNESjoe]

Very good Newcomer pick!

It is done.

P.S. Sorry for defaming your work Neorice

That is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen.

Also the deck of cards is amazing, that's one hell of a callback.

 

[SenorArdilla]

Disagree! I think it's fun to toy around with the idea of having one boss be the main boss. I mean, UMvC3 got Thanatos (I think?).

Cyber Hades?

 

[Green Mamba]

Disagree! I think it's fun to toy around with the idea of having one boss be the main boss. I mean, UMvC3 got Thanatos (I think?).

MvC3 has Galactus, which I'm more fine with because the character's history in years can be counted on more than one hand.

If Smash needed a final boss taken from an existing franchise it should be a character that has existed for more than a few years. Like, Ganon or Mother Brain or something. Not just the newest villain from a moderately successful franchise reboot.

 

[Demon Lizardman]

But also Giga Bowser :v

Yeah but Giga Bowser is more of a smash version of Bowser that hasn't appeared to be in any of the Mario games. Not to mention, Bowser is from Nintendo's biggest and most well known franchise. Hades would be fine for a regular boss.

 

[maxcriden]

Not all of the video shots are based on the same save file, as evidenced by how the "Collected trophies" count changes from trophy to trophy. The All-star could be locked when all the characters weren't unlocked, and then they were by the time we saw the select screen. Melee had "empty slots" too, and there weren't any more characters. There's really no reason to think there's any more characters until we see more. Otherwise you're just going to get your hopes.

Ah, dang. I didn't remember Melee had empty slots. That seems so antithetical to Sakurai's and his wife's design philosophy. I'll try to temper my expectations then, thanks man.

 

[JoeInky]

I think the leak did more harm than good. I wonder how many people disappointed with the roster (myself included), would not have been if we got proper reveals with some cool gameplay?

I think there's no amount of gameplay that could make certain people like Dark Pit, and it's pretty obvious he wasn't going to be shown pre-release anyway.

Also missing characters causing disappointment would have just been worse if we hadn't heard about it till we played the game imo.

 

[Neiteio]

Ah, dang. I didn't remember Melee had empty slots. That seems so antithetical to Sakurai's and his wife's design philosophy. I'll try to temper my expectations then, thanks man.

The empty slots may look ugly now, but they could conceivably allow for DLC at some point. Can't really say what to think of it without knowing their long-term plans. In the meantime, I'm just letting myself expect what's shown on the CSS — nothing more, nothing less.

 

[StreetsAhead]

If you were going to do Hanafuda Cards you could have this guy, or something like him.

He was the star of Nintendouji, a DSi game that was released as a Club Nintendo reward in Japan a couple of years ago btw.

 

[Sgt.Pepper]

I think the leak did more harm than good. I wonder how many people disappointed with the roster (myself included), would not have been if we got proper reveals with some cool gameplay?

How is Sakurai's or his team's fault someone leak it?

 

[MrSaturn99]

The empty slots may look ugly now, but they could conceivably allow for DLC at some point. Can't really say what to think of it without knowing their long-term plans. In the meantime, I'm just letting myself expect what's shown on the CSS — nothing more, nothing less.

This is what I'm thinking.

 

[Kinsei]

How is Sakurai's or his team's fault someone leak it?

I never said it was.

 

[emb]

I still don't see how this is a fair assumption with All-Star Mode locked (although admittedly this could mean absolutely nothing and could've been captured for the video at a different point in that save file) and especially with all the extra space on the CSS.

For the reason you mentioned, I don't think the locked All Star mode means much.

And if we're going by empty space, I'm still trying to unlock the last two Melee characters.

One thing that does bother me is the organization of the CSS though. Why Shulk on bottom row, and why clones away from their series? Not horrible enough to mean much of anything, but makes me wonder a little.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Not all of the video shots are based on the same save file, as evidenced by how the "Collected trophies" count changes from trophy to trophy. The All-star could be locked when all the characters weren't unlocked, and then they were by the time we saw the select screen. Melee had "empty slots" too, and there weren't any more characters. There's really no reason to think there's any more characters until we see more. Otherwise you're just going to get your hopes.

I agreed with Beelzebufo. If you noticed that picture had only 11 trophies, then other pictures had different numbers of trophies total.

Like Neitios said, It's best to temper your expectation and just go with Shulk, Dark Pit, Duck Hunt Dog and Bowser Jr as last 4 newcomers, along with 8 Veterans that we have seen in the roster. Just hope for the best tho.

 

[BGBW]

Custom events could be cool.

Ideas off the top of my head:

ProfBeef's Nightmare - OH NO! Someone sent a shipment of 100 ROBs to Beef's house by mistake. Help him get rid of them before he starts liking them from over exposure.
JoeInky's Nightmare - JoeInky just moved house. Unfortunately it seems he moved to Miiville by mistake and all his neighbours are Miis. Help Joe defeat them all!
Neiteio's Nightmare - Bowser, Bowser Jr, DK, Diddy, Pikachu, Jiggly, Charizard, Lucario, Greninja, Duck Hunt Dog, ROB, Mr G&W, Wii Fit Trainer and Chorus Kids have challenged him to a fight to the death. Help him defeat these bootless foes!

 

[emb]

I agreed with Beelzebufo. If you noticed that picture had only 11 trophies, then other pictures had different numbers of trophies total.

Like Neitios said, It's best to temper your expectation and just go with Shulk, Dark Pit, Duck Hunt Dog and Bowser Jr as last 4 newcomers, along with 8 Veterans that we have seen in the roster. Just hope for the best tho.

Really, that's not a terrible roster already! Aside from cuts, it exceeds what my expectations were. Some of my favorites didn't make it in, but that's almost inevitable.

Edit: And I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking we had the full roster already! I've seen so many people throw out the locked All Star point, I was starting to feel outnumbered.

 

[Neiteio]

They should introduce a new character called The Creator, or something to that effect, which looks like an oni version of Sakurai's head — so light pink or blue skin, with devil horns — and hanafuda cards orbit him like the rings of Saturn as he floats around the stage. He can unhinge his jaw like a snake, revealing a Light Zapper, and a Virtual Boy headset can snap over his eyes to fire death-rays. He also commands two hands like Master Hand and Crazy Hand, but they're each wearing a Power Glove.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Custom events could be cool.

Ideas off the top of my head:

ProfBeef's Nightmare - OH NO! Someone sent a shipment of 100 ROBs to Beef's house by mistake. Help him get rid of them before he starts liking them from over exposure.
JoeInky's Nightmare - JoeInky just moved house. Unfortunately it seems he moved to Miiville by mistake and all his neighbours are Miis. Help Joe defeat them all!
Neiteio's Nightmare - Bowser, Bowser Jr, DK, Diddy, Pikachu, Jiggly, Charizard, Lucario, Greninja, Duck Hunt Dog, ROB, Mr G&W, Wii Fit Trainer and Chorus Kids have challenged him to a fight to the death. Help him defeat these bootless foes!

BassForever's Nightmare - Help him to get rid of al dogs and ducks in his backyard. There will be 30 dogs in backyard with ducks following them, and they are more powerful (Intense mode) You gotta to eliminate all of them at any cost.

 

[Aβydoς]

I'm sorry, but whoever says the roster is outright bad is an idiot.
Yep, simple as that, an idiot.

 

[MrSaturn99]

my nightmare event would be an army of skyward sword alt links invading my magical kingdom of magicant

clean that shit up

 

[PadWarrior]

Here's what dlc place holders look like for mario kart

 

[Mik317]

For the reason you mentioned, I don't think the locked All Star mode means much.

And if we're going by empty space, I'm still trying to unlock the last two Melee characters.

One thing that does bother me is the organization of the CSS though. Why Shulk on bottom row, and why clones away from their series? Not horrible enough to mean much of anything, but makes me wonder a little.

Looks like someone didn't unlock Sonic and Tails

 

[Neiteio]

I'm sorry, but whoever says the roster is outright bad is an idiot.

Yep, simple as that, an idiot.

Alternatively, they have different tastes than you and thus their opinions differ.

I personally love the roster in the leaked CSS screen. Could it be better? Of course. Ideally it'd have no cuts. But I'm thankful that some rather oddball characters like ROB and Mr. G&W are still in the game. And I'm stoked about all of the remaining newcomers, especially Bowser Jr. and Duck Hunt.