Doctor Who Series 8 |OT| We've fucking time-travelled, yes?

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Just got around to watching this. Honestly thought the first part was awful, up until the Doctor and Clara met in the restaurant, and he became more of a proper character. Before that it was just rambling and randomness and wasn't very entertaining. There was no need at all for the dinosaur, or really the homeless stuff. The plot with the automatons was creepy (and the special effects on the main one's face were amazing), but it didn't really feel like there was ever a sense of peril. Not a bad start to establish the new Doctor, but I definitely thought it would have worked better as a 45 minute episode.

I stopped watching during the series where Matt Smith as the spaceman was due to die on like the shores of a lake, or something? Wasn't really a big fan of Smith and felt like Moffat's writing as series lead was overall weaker than Davis'. Although RTD has written a lot of stinkers, I enjoy his payoffs for all their ridiculous over-the-top brashness.

This is my first time getting a good look at Clara, and holy shit is she gorgeous. Like, stunningly beautiful. The girl who's married to the lizard lady is flipping lovely too.
 

Lashley

Why does he wear the mask!?
Thought the story was awful last week, but love Capaldi. Didn't doubt him for a second. Cannot wait until tomorrow for the Daleks!
 

JMDSO

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Is there a reason we haven't seen Capt. Jack in a while? Is it because he isn't a Moffat creation as someone mentioned earlier?
 

Dalek

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This is my first time getting a good look at Clara, and holy shit is she gorgeous.

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Well, you're right about that.
 

Lynd7

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Is there a reason we haven't seen Capt. Jack in a while? Is it because he isn't a Moffat creation as someone mentioned earlier?

I guess that's the reason, also, during Matt's run he probably wanted to distance the series from the RTA era more.

Maybe he could come back now, that'd be cool. Some interactions between Vastra, Jenny and Jack could be funny.
 

Magwik

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I think he's just been busy and they haven't had anywhere to fit him in.

He was supposed to be in A Good Man Goes to War, but couldn't make it due to filming Torchwood S4 in the US.
When they were filming Arrow he was given to go-ahead be the show runners to go and film for the 50th if he was offered to. He never was.
 

Htown

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I stopped watching during the series where Matt Smith as the spaceman was due to die on like the shores of a lake, or something? Wasn't really a big fan of Smith and felt like Moffat's writing as series lead was overall weaker than Davis'. Although RTD has written a lot of stinkers, I enjoy his payoffs for all their ridiculous over-the-top brashness.

Go back and watch Day of the Doctor. It's important.

Is there a reason we haven't seen Capt. Jack in a while? Is it because he isn't a Moffat creation as someone mentioned earlier?

there's been a near complete break with RTD's stable of characters, beyond the rare cameo

River Song is the only actual character from before to show up, IIRC. The previous companions showed up as still holograms in one episode, and Torchwood (partially to make way for its own show) has been sidelined in favor of U.N.I.T.
 

hamchan

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Captain Jack debuted in Moffat's first ever episode for Doctor Who. Surely he'd have some affection for the character....

It'll be a waste to not have him on really, especially when Barrowman is willing to keep doing it.
 

Platy

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I guess that's the reason, also, during Matt's run he probably wanted to distance the series from the RTA era more.

Maybe he could come back now, that'd be cool. Some interactions between Vastra, Jenny and Jack could be funny.

THIS

NOW

IN MY VEINS
 
Imagine if an entire SEASON of television was as wrongheaded and poorly executed as the Daleks in Manhattan two-parter.

That was Miracle Day

Ahhh, Mircale Day is way worse than those episodes. It's Fear Her level. Evolution of the Daleks at least is from a morality/character point of view the most interesting execution in a Dalek story new-Who has done. (And I don't think this week will beat it.)

I like to think of it as the opposite bookend to Asylum of the Daleks now... in that Asylum absolutely squanders an incredible base concept (Daleks so insane even the other Daleks are terrified/ashamed of them) but makes good on everything else around it to make for a top-notch episode but really not a brilliant 'Dalek' episode... and Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks has, at script level, a really fascinating execution of an exploration on the Daleks' idea of racial purity and on what kind of things can happen if Daleks are given free thought... but everything else surrounding it is awful, putrid shit.

Still. I will forever love those scenes of the Daleks in the sewers when they first begin to conspire against their commander to mutiny. Great scenes.
 
was it really that bad?

Torchwood was an entire show of the the literally worst, most vapid and whiny secret agents I've ever seen. To the point that when they started killing people, I didn't give a shit. They made Captain Jack unlikable. And they failed. All the time. Literally 2/3s of their episodes end in failure. How do you make up a team of super-secret experts in every field that fail all the time?

And then Miracle Day. A great premise, a bigger budget, and... what the hell? I've never seen so many good concepts and people go into something so bad.

Shit, now i need to watch Torchwood again to see if it's as bad as I remember it.

Christ.
 

BaBaRaRa

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Children of earth was a great story, but it was also pretty brave for how it was told. Now it's done it's just another sci-fi series, but deciding to show one episode a night over one week (so literally one week in the life of torchwood during an alien contact) put hype levels through the roof at the time.
 
Torchwood was an entire show of the the literally worst, most vapid and whiny secret agents I've ever seen. To the point that when they started killing people, I didn't give a shit. They made Captain Jack unlikable. And they failed. All the time. Literally 2/3s of their episodes end in failure. How do you make up a team of super-secret experts in every field that fail all the time?

And then Miracle Day. A great premise, a bigger budget, and... what the hell? I've never seen so many good concepts and people go into something so bad.

Shit, now i need to watch Torchwood again to see if it's as bad as I remember it.

Christ.

Personally, the only episodes I'll ever re-watch are the ones where they injected a little James Marsters. Because those were kinda funny.

Also, while I wasn't a fan of the rest of the episode, I did like the bit where Jack got buried in cement for a few thousand years. I thought that was a neat idea for dealing with an immortal guy.

But yeah, the rest of the show was pretty terrible.
 

Tregard

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Torchwood was an entire show of the the literally worst, most vapid and whiny secret agents I've ever seen. To the point that when they started killing people, I didn't give a shit. They made Captain Jack unlikable. And they failed. All the time. Literally 2/3s of their episodes end in failure. How do you make up a team of super-secret experts in every field that fail all the time?

And then Miracle Day. A great premise, a bigger budget, and... what the hell? I've never seen so many good concepts and people go into something so bad.

Shit, now i need to watch Torchwood again to see if it's as bad as I remember it.

Christ.

I gave up with it on episode 2 tbh, the one with the sex alien.
 
Series 1 and 2 of Torchwood are up and down in the same way pretty much every series of Doctor Who that isn't 4 or 5 is. And I'd take Series 2 of Torchwood over, say, Series 6 or 3 of New Who, to be honest.

Children of Earth is in my eyes the finest thing to come out of that Cardiff production office, over all of New Who.

Miracle Day is some putrid, Fear Her level shit, though.
 
Miracle day has some really nice base ideas as well. The first six episodes or so are some real 'RTD the ideas man' at his finest stuff. The scenes when they go to the sort of modern concentration camps for the mortally wounded people who should be dead are just rather harrowing and generally well executed, and the scene where you discover they're burning those people alive to get rid of them to prevent overcrowding/food problems is real skin-crawling stuff. The basic idea of Jack, a man used to being immortal and used to throwing his life away becoming the only mortal on the whole planet, is also genius from a character perspective. Immediately after that, though, it's really evident that somewhere around then he found out about his partner's Cancer and quit working to be with him, thus leaving it almost all to that Buffy lady, because man does the quality absolutely plummet.
 
Continuously killing the cast and not introducing new ones is also a risky move for Torchwood's longevity. I know it was to show that the show had balls (AND NOT JUST NUDITY GEDDIT), when they did the... Suzi was it, where they pretended she was a full member on the team and killed her in episode 1?

Unrelated: Who is on Instagram, with the return of WHOSPY! http://instagram.com/bbcdoctorwho
 
Bowing out of the Doctor Who thing in Toronto now that Gillan is out. It's just not the same without the three of them.

Getting a refund feels like it's going to be a pain but at least they are offering them. I actually had to go down to the convention just to hand in my ticket. I thought they would issue the refund on the spot but now they seem to be playing email tag with the ticket company.
 
Continuously killing the cast and not introducing new ones is also a risky move for Torchwood's longevity. I know it was to show that the show had balls (AND NOT JUST NUDITY GEDDIT), when they did the... Suzi was it, where they pretended she was a full member on the team and killed her in episode 1?

Unrelated: Who is on Instagram, with the return of WHOSPY! http://instagram.com/bbcdoctorwho


Poor Owen, too, the only one not to get an appearance in Doctor Who proper.

I often ponder about the Torchwood that never was, so to speak. How different would Miracle Day have been if Children of Earth had included Martha and Mickey, as planned, before Freema got offered a sack of cash by ITV? They'd never roast Doctor Who characters like they did everybody else for fear of upsetting the kids.
 
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