Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 14: Snake... had a hard life

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I hope we get a big Wii U information dump after 3DS version releases. Exclusive modes (single player ones especially), stages, connectivity between the two versions, Miiverse communities a la MK8...

Yeah. If you think about it we barely know ANYTHING about the Wii version. Have we even seen a screenshot of Classic Mode for it? :P
 
Mushroomy Kingdom and Flat Zone II are pretty meh, but the rest of the 3DS retro stages aren't too bad. I just hope that what we've seen isn't the full stage roster. It desperately needs more new stages - and, ideally, an N64 stage or two.

I can't wait until a copy gets out early so we can finally see if the ESRB video had all the characters and stages or not.
 
Anyone have any links to good trailer reactions to Shulk? And by that I mean, reactions that seem genuine and not staged after the fact for attention?

On another note:

If Sakurai can't get Ice Climbers or Chorus Men to work, and if Snake isn't an option, I'd be happy with the following DLC characters, enough to fill out the Character Select Screen:

- Lucas
- Wolf
- Squirtle
- Ivysaur
- Mewtwo

Yeah, Pokémon-heavy, but Pokémon had six reps in Brawl, and given how huge the series continues to be, I don't think eight would be inappropriate here.
Not even Mewtwo...

Also, if there is a camera on you, everything is staged.
 
Random Japanese Miiverse Reactions To Shulk

1. I didn't think Shulk would be playable in this, but I'm really happy that he is!!! Thank you so much!

2. I had no intention of buying Smash Bros., but hearing that Shulk is going to appear has forced my hand. Thank you Mr. Sakurai. Also, I'm really grateful for you putting Star Force in Mega Man's Final Smash too.

3. I've never played Xenoblade so, to be honest, I'm not really excited, but he seems like an interesting character. I'll try him out a bit.

4. Shulk being in doesn't mean that the leak is true. Especially speaking of that Duck Hunt joke character, especially.

5. You can feel the hatred from the characters who missed out when you read the word 'normally [wouldn't make it in]'.

6. I want you to tell us the Wii U release date, not about new characters.

7. Foreign people will no doubt be quite excited for this!! Of course, Japanese users too. Think I'm going to buy the Xenoblade remake next year; I've never played it *sweats*

8. There's so many good looking guys in this game like Robin and Shulk.

9. What an ugly face

10. I don't know anything about Xenoblade or whatever. But how many freakin' sword users are you going to add to this game?!

11. There was a Direct today and I didn't even know about it?! And Shulk is in Smash!! I mean, I wanted him in but I never actually thought he'd make it...They're probably going crazy with excitement overseas lol but I don't think that leak is real so I'm looking forward to the hidden characters! Continue to work hard, even after the 3DS version releases! I support you!

12. Marth's still the coolest character to me.

13.
I'm glad Shulk from Xenoblade made it in, but there's so many sword wielding characters. I'd have preferred Rolling Western's Dillion be announced, because he's an animal, doesn't carry weapons, and could represent download-only games...Maybe Shulk's only in to promote the the Xenoblade remake releasing on the New 3DS!? ... nah, probably not

14. If you wanted to put a swordsman in, Roy would have been just as good. Hurry up and announce some Mother characters

15. Doesn't really fit Smash....w He might suit a game like BlazBlue or a fighting game more (Smash might be considered a fighting game, I guess)
 
Random Japanese Miiverse Reactions To Shulk

4. Shulk being in doesn't mean that the leak is true. Especially speaking of that Duck Hunt joke character, especially.

14. If you wanted to put a swordsman in, Roy would have been just as good. Hurry up and announce some Mother characters

Good to see Miiverse is still delusional in Japan.
 
Was there anyone on the alleged starting roster who hasn't been officially revealed yet?

Also, even though they're probably unlockable, it'd be awesome if Sakurai unveiled Bowser Jr. and/or Duck Hunt this week or the next leading up to launch.

Bowser Jr. and the Koopalings, especially, would be a HUGE hype boost for launch.
 
There is already a lot of Kid Icarus content in this game and adding Dark pit sounds like a bit too much.In 64/Melee Sakurai settled with Kirby and in Brawl , he added Dedede , Metaknight and then Pit who would become character of his.Smash 4 has added Uprising like system , bunch of items , assist trophies , stages and 2 more characters.

Dark pit isn't even a interesting character and has the personality of an anime girl that can't express how she feels and resorts to acting annoyed and violent at times.

You guys are a bunch of jokers to say he is more interesting than other dark characters.

I am joking about dark pit but I would rather have character from unrepresented series.
 
Sort of I guess. There's still some hope for Ice Climbers, but Shulk being in that weird spot on the starting roster has me losing a little faith.
Actually the pic from the japanese 3DS trailer probably isn't the starting roster.

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Here we have 4 rows with 8 characters each and one row with four characters.

In this pic tweeted by Bill Trinen we have 3 rows with 8 characters and one row with 3-4 characters.

Less than in the japanese pic, but more than the E3 build has (Source)
 
Warioware, Distant Planet and Green Hill Zone are great stages. I'm glad to have them back.

My main problem is important series missing new stages.
 
Actually the pic from the japanese 3DS trailer probably isn't the starting roster.


Here we have 4 rows with 8 characters each and one row with four characters.


In this pic tweeted by Bill Trinen we have 3 rows with 8 characters and one row with 3-4 characters.


Less than in the japanese pic, but more than the E3 build has (Source)

That's the 3DS E3 build, the roster is the same as it was when I played at the Best Buy event.

That's not the starting roster.
 
Actually the pic from the japanese 3DS trailer probably isn't the starting roster.


Here we have 4 rows with 8 characters each and one row with four characters.


In this pic tweeted by Bill Trinen we have 3 rows with 8 characters and one row with 3-4 characters.


Less than in the japanese pic, but more than the E3 build has (Source)

So I guess Peach and Link are going to be unlocked this time around huh?
 
That's the 3DS E3 build, the roster is the same as it was when I played at the Best Buy event.

That's not the starting roster.

Uh... that's the same as the E3 build

Your source proves it.

That pic has significantly more characters unlocked than the E3 build though? And I never said it would be the starting roster either. It just has less characters than the Jap. Trailer pic and more than the E3 build
 
So everyone's going on the base assumption that the leaked roster is it?
I don't believe anything that wasn't shown in video as far as the character roster is concerned, but that's not to say I'd be surprised if ones like DHD and Dark Pit were actually in.
 
Actually the pic from the japanese 3DS trailer probably isn't the starting roster.


Here we have 4 rows with 8 characters each and one row with four characters.


In this pic tweeted by Bill Trinen we have 3 rows with 8 characters and one row with 3-4 characters.


Less than in the japanese pic, but more than the E3 build has (Source)

How can you post that without the follow-up tweet!

 
The return of Mushroomy Kinngdom seems so pointless and redundant when we already have 3 Mario stages that focus on transitions. Not to mention we already have 4 Mario stages in general. Mario didn't need a classic stage if the stage roster is this small.

And while I always thought Mushroomy Kingdom was a neat stage, I don't really like to fight on it.

Who the fuck decided Mushroomy Kingdom needs to be in needs to be sacked.
 
... The worst Brawl stages?

75M, Elektroplankton, New Pork City, Rumble Falls <- I haven't seen any of these in the roster.

Mushroomy Kingdom managed to sneak into the 3DS.

It's mainly this stage plus GHZ, plus Warioware, plus Distant Planet plus Flatzone II that make me feel this way.

I've actually heard people say they like Elektroplankton, hence I didn't mention it in my post at all -- I already acknowledged 75m as probably the worst Brawl stage. NPC is... it's tolerable, it's definitely not as bad as Mushroomy Kingdom, IMO. I would have taken NPC over Mushroomy Kingdom.

That being said, it's still a pretty terrible selection of past stages. They couldn't find a balance for the 3DS version between non-gimmicky/hazardous stages and gimmicky/hazardous stages? I mean, who actually likes Flatzone II? On top of it being a walk-off, the hazards on it are unbearable for about more than half of the phases it has. I just don't get it.

Where's Smashville? Where's Delfino Plaza/Luigi's Mansion? Where's any stage that was actually decent or better than Mushroomy Kingdom, Flatzone II, and Distant Planet? I would quickly take Frigate Orpheon, Pirate Ship, and hell even Pokemon Stadium 2 over any of those three stages.
 
I would LOVE for Delfino Plaza to be back in the WiiU version. That's my most-wanted Brawl stage. Although thankfully, either way I'll still have the Pilotwings stage, which scratches a similar itch with its sun-soaked charm. :-)

Speaking of Pilotwings, don't forget to include lots of music from PW64, Sakurai. :-)
I just need a Greogrian Chant version of the SNES Rocketbet theme.
 
Is there even a consensus on which stages the gaming population like (not that I'm arguing with the picks in this thread I'm just curious)? I think they said they had Brawl online data which suggested a lot of people liked Final Destination maybe that data influenced stage choices?
 
People actually liked Luigi's Mansion in Brawl? Distant Planet was a million times better, everyone I know actively avoids the mansion.
My friends and I always liked Luigi's Mansion. It's like a pinball machine that eventually collapses and creates a more atmospheric Final Destination. And then the pinball machine comes back!
 
Just for clarity: Brawl had awful awful stages, so I'm not surprised that some bad ones made it in.

But I think there's a clear line between "The worst" and "bad".

Stages like 75M, Rumble Falls & New Pork are on a whole different level
than just "bad" smash stages.
 
Not sure where people are getting more chars in that tweeted pic. Other than the fact that it's at pax which we know is the e3 build, It looks exactly the same. I can even see samus in the exact same place as in the e3 build. Are people just getting confused because it's zoomed out?
 
I think New Pork City would've been OK if it was easier to tell the foreground from the background, and if the camera actually zoomed in when the characters were close together.
 
New Pork should've been set inside the city on actual buildings and the ferris wheel. As it is it seemed like a bad stage builder stage.
 
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