Napoleonthechimp
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I'm glad that isn't the case because an entire series of one-off episodes would be a step backwards.
Doctor Who Series 8 |OT| We've fucking time-travelled, yes?
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Hot Coldman
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To be fair, he'll have been telling the truth if Missy only pops up to welcome dead people until we reach the finale. The telling moment will be if an episode randomly turns into a Missy episode, kind of like how Flesh and Stone became an episode about the cracks in time out of nowhere.
Every season since the return has had an arc of sorts. Just a buildup. What Moffat meant was that it wouldn't be like S6 where the majority of the episodes in the series were based on the overarching narrative of the season, rather than standalone episodes with hints and such like in season 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 7
paradox121
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I liked it. Like last week it was a bit ploddy until half way through and then as soon as Rusty gets 'fixed' and everything goes to hell the episode became a lot more enjoyable.
I love Clara and the Doctor. I can't imagine that'll be the last time she slaps him. And I adore his callousness. The way he uses the guy being attacked by antibodies at the beginning is wonderful if only because its something neither the 10th or 11th would ever do. They'd probably just cry. Big wimps.
Iffy on Danny Pink. He needs stuff to do rather than exposition-ing his background. Blue was awesome though. Really wish the Doctor would get over this 'no guns I hate the military' streak. His best friend was a Brigadier for many years.
I love Clara and the Doctor. I can't imagine that'll be the last time she slaps him. And I adore his callousness. The way he uses the guy being attacked by antibodies at the beginning is wonderful if only because its something neither the 10th or 11th would ever do. They'd probably just cry. Big wimps.
Iffy on Danny Pink. He needs stuff to do rather than exposition-ing his background. Blue was awesome though. Really wish the Doctor would get over this 'no guns I hate the military' streak. His best friend was a Brigadier for many years.
GavinUK86
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OK
LET'S DO THIS
RANKING THE DALEK EPISODES (not counting minor appearances or the "of the Doctor" episodes)
1. Dalek
2. Doomsday
3. Into The Dalek
4. Asylum of the Daleks
5. Stolen Earth/Journey's End
6. Victory of the Daleks
7. Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks
LET'S DO THIS
RANKING THE DALEK EPISODES (not counting minor appearances or the "of the Doctor" episodes)
1. Dalek
2. Doomsday
3. Into The Dalek
4. Asylum of the Daleks
5. Stolen Earth/Journey's End
6. Victory of the Daleks
7. Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks
APZonerunner
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Going to repeat this from a few pages back: Evolution of the Daleks at least is from a morality/character point of view the most interesting execution in a Dalek story new-Who has done. (And I don't think this week will beat it.)
I like to think of it as the opposite bookend to Asylum of the Daleks now... in that Asylum absolutely squanders an incredible base concept (Daleks so insane even the other Daleks are terrified/ashamed of them) but makes good on everything else around it to make for a top-notch episode but really not a brilliant 'Dalek' episode... and Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks has, at script level, a really fascinating execution of an exploration on the Daleks' idea of racial purity and on what kind of things can happen if Daleks are given free thought... but everything else surrounding it is awful, putrid shit.
Still. I will forever love those scenes of the Daleks in the sewers when they first begin to conspire against their commander to mutiny. Great scenes. Victory is just shit tier. I mean, if we're simply talking 'Dalek story' in the sense of rating them on their use of the Daleks, I'd place Evolution higher than it should be based on the rest of its parts.
For me: Dalek > Doomsday > Into the Dalek > Asylum = Stolen Earth/Journey's End > Manhattan/Evolution > Victory.
paradox121
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Pretty good rankings. I'd maybe swap 3 and 4 purely because I love Asylum.
Hearing about that removed Rusty ending is interesting. At least now we can get that Rusty and Handles spin off the world deserves.
I enjoyed this episode, although I fear that the only character I'm going to enjoy this series is The Doctor himself, every single line was spot on with him this episode, but everyone else felt....half baked I guess. Clara felt a lot more like she was last series, when she seemed a little more fleshed in Deep Breath.
Not fully sold on Danny yet, his intro felt very rushed but I guess that was necessary. He may still have potential.
Audio mixing was the worst it's been in quite some time this ep, they really need to sort this out.
Not fully sold on Danny yet, his intro felt very rushed but I guess that was necessary. He may still have potential.
Audio mixing was the worst it's been in quite some time this ep, they really need to sort this out.
StealthGoblin
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Clara's teacher talk moments are embarrassing. Other than that I've enjoyed her in the episodes I've seen.
Hot Coldman
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Yeah, I saw that and I mostly agree with it all on like a theoretical level. I really, REALLY want to love DoM/EotD, but it's so tortuous to watch. Meanwhile, I find Asylum very entertaining, but I can't say I want to love it more than I do. It's the sum of its parts... actually, like you say, it might be less than that, but it's damn good. So, er, good post and that
firehawk12
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I feel bad that it's my second episode of Doctor Who proper (not counting the 50th anniversary thing) and I'm already losing a bit of interest. I don't want to see Clara date some guy... I just want to see the Doctor do Doctorey things.
1. Genesis of the Daleks
2. Remeberance of the Daleks
3. Ressurection of the daleks
4. Doomsday
5. Dalek
6. Into The Dalek
Hot Coldman
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The classic Dalek episodes not included. Mostly because that makes it unfair on the newer ones.
Pretty good episode, I enjoyed it a lot. Appreciated all the dialogue and interaction scenes and the running about was serviceable.
Capaldi is nailing it already. Clara is muuuuch better. I like how we're getting longer scenes now, the parts at the school were nice.
Interesting to know about the leaked ending because I was expecting something like that to happen but then it didn't.
Capaldi is nailing it already. Clara is muuuuch better. I like how we're getting longer scenes now, the parts at the school were nice.
Interesting to know about the leaked ending because I was expecting something like that to happen but then it didn't.
He's a welcome addition indeed.
Fantastic episode. I read the script beforehand and was still thoroughly entertained. They did the Doctor's antibody kill of Ross better than I thought they would.
Ice cold.
It was fine. Clara has definitely gotten a new temper this season. She's just fed up with the Doctor's bullshit now that she doesn't want to sleep with him.
Ice cold.
It was fine. Clara has definitely gotten a new temper this season. She's just fed up with the Doctor's bullshit now that she doesn't want to sleep with him.
This line made no sense.
DrForester
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Was a nice callback to "Dalek" (which really, the entire episode was).
Loved it. Capaldi is doing such a good job.
Yep.
Daleks are pure hate. To be a bad Dalek would be to use that hate only to kill. To be a good Dalek would be to have that hate but try your damndest to suppress it and to do good instead.
That's what made Rusty a bad Dalek and that's what makes the Doctor a good one. Daleks are analogous to pure hatred.
C'mon maharg, Moffat has a lot stuff to be criticized, but I actually liked that line.
I'm fine with it. People are talking about it like it's something new, Donna, River, Jackie Tyler and Martha's mum have all slapped The Doctor.
I felt that Clara's line at the end adds to that too.
"You asked me if you're a good man and the answer is... I don't know. But I think you try to be and I think that's probably the point."
He feels hatred but tries his best to suppress it and do good, which is a great message. You can't control what you feel but you can control what you do.
DrForester
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Was expecting Rusty to go join the Victorian Scooby Squad.
WE COULD HAVE HAD A DALEK IN A TOP HAT!
WE COULD HAVE HAD A DALEK IN A TOP HAT!
The whole episode has that "you can't control how you feel" theme going to it. Danny Pink can't control how he felt about apparently killing innocents so he cries at night, but he puts on a brave face because logically he knows he probably had to do whatever he did, but he can't stop the guilt. Also the thing with the antibodies and how neither Dalek nor humans can actually control them. It's just automatic.
The more I think about it, this episode had a lot of good places where its themes were implemented. Good job Moffat.
I feel like I'm going to get annoyed by Danny being too whiny and awkward though. We'll see.
I haven't watched the leak but it did feel a bit off to me that something like that didn't happen because it was the logical conclusion it was building up to. I didn't have a problem with how it ended but hopefully they bring the character back in the future or at least mention him so we know about what he ended up doing.
Good points, it totally had a theme going on and that's great.
Cool episode, but I admit I think I liked the previous one more.
- Danny getting teary eyed at the beginning was a bit too much, IMO. Him changing the subject and his voice breaking up was more than enough, I didn't need the camera tracking that lone tear across his cheek.
- The Doctor is now giving me some serious Doctor House vibes
he's so good. Moffat wasn't kidding about that "killing more people" thing, though I wonder if they're actually dead, what with this heaven business.
- The "good Dalek" line was pretty good, didn't think it was out of place or anything.
- I LOVED the miniaturization scene, as goofy as it looked, and the psychedelic stuff they went through just as they were leaving the capsule. It probably would alienate half of the fanbase, but I would have loved it if the whole episode had looked like that
If I had to criticize something, it would be the amount of "running through corridors" scenes and the battle scenes. They somehow felt a bit lifeless, like they were just going through the motions. And I continue to find the fact that the humans haven't been able to adapt Dalek tech for themselves so they can also 1HKO Daleks with their crazy laser beams laughable.
Really liking this season. Next episode looks enjoyable!
- Danny getting teary eyed at the beginning was a bit too much, IMO. Him changing the subject and his voice breaking up was more than enough, I didn't need the camera tracking that lone tear across his cheek.
- The Doctor is now giving me some serious Doctor House vibes
- The "good Dalek" line was pretty good, didn't think it was out of place or anything.
- I LOVED the miniaturization scene, as goofy as it looked, and the psychedelic stuff they went through just as they were leaving the capsule. It probably would alienate half of the fanbase, but I would have loved it if the whole episode had looked like that
If I had to criticize something, it would be the amount of "running through corridors" scenes and the battle scenes. They somehow felt a bit lifeless, like they were just going through the motions. And I continue to find the fact that the humans haven't been able to adapt Dalek tech for themselves so they can also 1HKO Daleks with their crazy laser beams laughable.
Really liking this season. Next episode looks enjoyable!
Maddocks
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Good episode. Another fun one. She slapped him, but that is because he gave up and she had to wake his ass up. We find out that while the doctor has hate in his soul for them, he will still help them because he is a good person.
Poor rusty, all he has in his soul is hate and now he went back to his ship to pretty much exterminate them all one by one, but from reading the spoilers on this page it seems he was supposed to self destruct and take out the ship, wonder why they removed it, maybe to have him be a spy or instead try to have rusty drop hints to see the beauty of the universe? Hope it doesn't end there though, would like to see that expanded on.
Another Missy sighting, does this prove that self sacrifice is what is needed to get into "Heaven"?
Poor rusty, all he has in his soul is hate and now he went back to his ship to pretty much exterminate them all one by one, but from reading the spoilers on this page it seems he was supposed to self destruct and take out the ship, wonder why they removed it, maybe to have him be a spy or instead try to have rusty drop hints to see the beauty of the universe? Hope it doesn't end there though, would like to see that expanded on.
Another Missy sighting, does this prove that self sacrifice is what is needed to get into "Heaven"?
I wonder if Clara will hide the fact that Danny was a solider or if the Doctor comes to accept it somehow.
Maybe. My immediate thought was that it was related to the situation in the Middle East though.
RandyBobandy
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That's my only problem as well. I don't care about them dating at all.
I mostly agree, but I'd swap Victory and Manhattan around. I remember being sorely disappointed with the second half of Victory, where they ended up talking a bomb out of exploding and flying jets into space, and those unfortunate redesigns.
And I found Manhattan to be an interesting take on the Daleks, since they were the last four and getting increasingly desperate to survive to the point that they'd try weird experiments on humans, and I thought Human Dalek Sec was interesting and how the other Daleks reacted to his new behaviour.
Future Foundation
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Off-Topic, but I'm watching the "Earth Conquest" special before the new episode.
These Brazilian Who fans, man...
These Brazilian Who fans, man...
What happened? I'm Brazilian and was at the World Tour, aside from a lot of cheering people seemed to behave ok from where I was.
DrForester
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I love feisty Clara!
These two have such good chemistry.
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Apparently, the Ta-ta for now line was added at the same time that Rusty's final scene was given the chop. Definitely think they've got one eye on bringing him back in the future.
Ahh right haha, I still need to watch The Wolf of Wall Street so I read the rolleyes in the gif wrong lol. I'll need to check the Earth Conquest special later.
GavinUK86
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I guess there's no way to see the ending featured in the leaked episode without looking for the whole thing, right?
I thought the episode was alright. I can't wait to see how they screw up the afterlife stuff.
Uhh.. I have a gif of it but I'm not sure if it's ok to post it considering where it's from.
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