Benzychenz
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You're assuming the leak had everyone unlocked.
Wolf, Lucas, Ice Climbers, Chorus Kids, Mewtwo. BELIEVE!
Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 14: Snake... had a hard life
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You're assuming the leak had everyone unlocked.
Wolf, Lucas, Ice Climbers, Chorus Kids, Mewtwo. BELIEVE!
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
They porbalby changed their tune from Brawl where people might have complained that Snake was a huge reveal, yet you couldn't play as him from the get-go, wtf.
A Link to the Past
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I was so optimistic that there were more that I believed in the text leak confirming Chorus Kids, Wolf, Lucas, and Ice Climber
I'm afraid my optimism is running on empty.
Error404SwagNotFound
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Brawl did this too, and I hated it so much. A lot of the newcomers were ready out of the box, which was alright, but leaving only veterans unlocked removed a lot of the excitement of unlocking new people.
Maybe Melee was different because I went into it not knowing who was unlockable and just worked my way through it.
It makes sense from a marketing perspective, though. Market the newer characters before release who will bring more hype, in theory.
Would an embargo based on what journalists have seen at PAX prevent them from reporting any further leaks? It might not have been such a bad idea then seeing as the leaks are less likely to leave internet communities then.
Unless journalists aren't allowed to report on leaks in the first place or something?
Unless journalists aren't allowed to report on leaks in the first place or something?
A Link to the Past
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I'm just so peeved though that Sakurai is content w/ pushing Wario into the unlockables section for no reason, and then replacing him with Luigi. Honestly, Lucario and Toon Link not only could be unlockables in place of Wario and Ness, but should be unlockables. Even if Wario and Ness were unlockables still. ¦x
...good point. Just never paid attention to how obvious that is lol.
Troubled Bat
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Next week for only 5-10% of us!
One month for 90% of us!
Shouldn't it be 90-95% of us?
:3 ♥
It should, but I kinda rushed it. :C
A Link to the Past
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No, we're basically just operating on the idea that the one shown on the Japanese eShop is the starting roster. It would make sense - 64 had 8, Melee had 15, Brawl had 25, and (if the image is correct) 36 for Smash 4. A starter growth of 7-11 isn't too wide. The only issue I have is that the growth of 4 to 11 to 14 is ended by Smash 4's 12. I suppose it's entirely possible that they had the third-party characters on-screen just for advertisement's sake, and they end up being unlockable...
EDIT: Sah, you could have just said that you assume 5% of US players may end up not buying the game at all.
There's a CSS pic on the Japanese eShop page. Yet another glorious advantage of having a Japanese 3DS. It has all currently announced characters minus Lucina. Many assume it's the starting roster, but maybe they are just showing as many characters as possible for promo purposes.
Personally I don't like it that Luigi and Captain Falcon are on the starting roster. They should be hidden characters for tradition's sake. Also Marth kind of weaseled is way into the starting roster as well.
A Link to the Past
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I agree with some of that. From my perspective, I would like this to be the unlockable roster (of what we know):
Bowser Jr.
Dr. Mario
Jigglypuff
Lucario
Ganondorf
Toon Link
Marth
Lucina
Dark Pit
Falco
Captain Falcon
Ness
Duck Hunt
Mr. Game & Watch
R.O.B.
I don't mind so much that Ness and C.F. are unlockable, because they're pretty niche these days. As for Luigi, he's definitely coming into his own and honestly deserves to shine.
Hours Left
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I'm not expecting this to turn into DoA Nintendo Edition, but some beefcake never hurt nobody.
I just hope we get some from a character other that Shulk, who looks like he has a severe protein deficiency.
Can't wait for playable Metal Face. If he was a boss they'd outright say so, just teasing his shadow must mean something more.
Yeah... I'm sure people and fans everywhere have been wanting one more representative of Xenoblade, specifically Metal Face, since the intro from Melee
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
MUHNADO BOI
Benzychenz
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Nah they'll be the first that's been a starter in multiple games to go to unlockable.
When they showed Melee, with that intro maaaaany years ago, the scene with Ridley made everyone stand up and cheer. They expected that meant he was in. He wasn't. Wasn't in brawl either. Probably not even here.
People want him. Like, REALLY want him, Metroid fans. If he doesn't make it I won't understand Sakurai at all.
For Sakurai, nothing is as nutritious and refreshing as the tears of children.
Masked Man
I said wow
"Better sounding" in that fully orchestrated music is awesome? Yes, I agree. But Brawl had some really stellar synthesized arrangements--for example (but not limited to):
Michiko Naruke's OoT Medley and Stickerbrush Symphony, Shogo Sakai's Theme of Love, Noriyuki Iwadare's With Mila's Divine Protection, and so forth. I dig all the arrangements I've heard this far for Smash 4, so I'd say it's safe to get our hopes up
Lucas? Check.
Chorus Kids? Check.
Yep, this would be perfect.
A Link to the Past
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Village of the Blue Maiden was also very nice.
Neoriceisgood
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I'm too lazy to dig the discussion up, did you guys come to an agreement to what Smash stages are objectively bad or what?
A Link to the Past
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I wasn't privy to this discussion, but I'm just going to say that New Pork City is definitely objectively bad. Same with Hanenbow.
Not even sure if that was it. It was big just to be big with randomly placed platforms..
Masked Man
I said wow
Haha, I just saw Sora Sagaya retweet that. I told her how I saw one at Shinjuku Station (the one she retweeted was in Ikebukuro), and she said that there are probably big posters at all the big stations along the Yamanote Line (e.g. Shibuya, Tokyo).
Blonde vs blue? Robin and shulk need some hair dye.
Hey look, it's all the fire emblem characters :^)
Alternatively: Why are you posting some advertisement for some random anime fighting game in a smash thread?!
Perhaps she'll get her chance at another billboard.
Hype intensifies.
DXB-KNIGHT
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Will Nintendo pull a Mario Kart and introduce new Charecters after the release?
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I just ranked my favourite stages, and
9/10 of my worst stages are from Brawl, lol.
This is accounting for both enjoyment from casual play and competitive play.
Rumble Falls (Brawl)
WarioWare, Inc. (Brawl)
Spear Pillar (Brawl)
Norfair (Brawl)
Mushroomy Kingdom (Brawl)
Hanenbow (Brawl)
75m (Brawl)
Icicle Mountain (Melee)
Mario Bros. (Brawl)
New Pork City (Brawl)
I think all of those are pretty crap :v
9/10 of my worst stages are from Brawl, lol.
This is accounting for both enjoyment from casual play and competitive play.
Rumble Falls (Brawl)
WarioWare, Inc. (Brawl)
Spear Pillar (Brawl)
Norfair (Brawl)
Mushroomy Kingdom (Brawl)
Hanenbow (Brawl)
75m (Brawl)
Icicle Mountain (Melee)
Mario Bros. (Brawl)
New Pork City (Brawl)
I think all of those are pretty crap :v
Benzychenz
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Perfection.
Shulk as guest character for the next FE game confirmed.
I can't really read the kanji right below the pics, but is it saying something to the extent of "over 40 fighters"? That would kind of confirm that 49 is the final number.
Neoriceisgood
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My analysis of legitimately bad Smash stages:
64: No stage I consider outright bad.
Melee: "eh" stages? Sure, I didn't particularly enjoy icicle mountain, G&W or Jungle Japes but in hindsight I was also really really bad at the game back then.
Icicile mountain going downwards + speeding up was pretty horrible though.
Brawl: eugh...
I want to say Brawl has 3 or 4 major issues that combine to some degree in
it's plethora of awful stages.
1. Dull muted colors in colorful game series (why?)
2. "building block" stages that look like they're made in stage editor.
(Throwing some blocks in front of a background looks lazy and I hate it)
3. Absolutely nonsensical stage layouts. (why do people generally love temple and loathe New Pork?)
4. Awful or tedious hazard placement. (looking at you 75M & Rumble Falls.)
5. Atricious "Effects" like making an extremely floaty game even floatier.
One or two of these I can be okay with, but there's a shameful number of stages that just grabbed a full hand of horrible traits and slapped them together.
64: No stage I consider outright bad.
Melee: "eh" stages? Sure, I didn't particularly enjoy icicle mountain, G&W or Jungle Japes but in hindsight I was also really really bad at the game back then.
Icicile mountain going downwards + speeding up was pretty horrible though.
Brawl: eugh...
I want to say Brawl has 3 or 4 major issues that combine to some degree in
it's plethora of awful stages.
1. Dull muted colors in colorful game series (why?)
2. "building block" stages that look like they're made in stage editor.
(Throwing some blocks in front of a background looks lazy and I hate it)
3. Absolutely nonsensical stage layouts. (why do people generally love temple and loathe New Pork?)
4. Awful or tedious hazard placement. (looking at you 75M & Rumble Falls.)
5. Atricious "Effects" like making an extremely floaty game even floatier.
One or two of these I can be okay with, but there's a shameful number of stages that just grabbed a full hand of horrible traits and slapped them together.
NeonZ
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The main issue is likely that Returns just had Donkey & Diddy anyway. In that sense, it'd seem like Smash was already representing the series fairly well.
Tropical Freeze is too recent, and it underperformed anyway. The only way it could have any representation is if they coordinated things from the start, like it's done with the Pokemon Company for Pokemon representation. But most series in Smash don't get that benefit anyway, it's not only Donkey Kong that's left out.
The main issue is that to do that they'd pretty much need to cut what made Awakening popular in the first place. You couldn't make an Awakening direct sequel with the same cast and still have free pairings. Awakening's formula pretty much makes a new cast for the next game required if they want to stick with it.
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Exactly. I can't enjoy WarioWare because I just want a fun stage to battle on, not play mini-games. The worst part is that it's boring to look at most of the time. They could have given us an actual setting from WarioWare (I know that the elevator is a setting, but I'm talking something like outside of WarioWare, Inc. w/ a ton of different WarioWare cameos roaming about and doing their thing). That would be significantly more visually interesting - a stage shouldn't need to distract you from the primary gameplay to be good.
Yeah it pretty much says "more than 40 fighters in this latest installment" or something.
Does anybody know the deal with that 19 at the down left corner and Ike?
RIP Ridley
RIP Wolf
RIP Ice Climbers
RIP Chorus Kids
Our only hope is alt costumes. SAVE US SHEIK IMPA.
Neoriceisgood
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I'm honestly okay with WarioWare, though I do agree that it'd be nice for every franchise to have at least one "neutral" stage per franchise. (very happy with the FD-mode addition due to that)
I do think the extremely high number of gimmick stages makes the outright awful stages harder to ignore.
I'd probably enjoy Warioware, pictochat etc a lot more if they were the extremes
in a fairly neutral stage roster. But they're not, they're far closer to the middle in Brawl.
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