Doctor Who Series 8 |OT| We've fucking time-travelled, yes?
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Yes, but they seemed to have forgotten that
Clara did leap into the Doctor's timestream (not that seems to mean anything to the Doctor past the eleventh) to save him. Even if they have essentially killed the romance subplot with the 11th Doctor, that has to mean something to the Doctor's character. Not to mention that it would do something to Clara where every situation reminds her of her past memories but she can't put her finger on it. Unless presumably that ended after the Great Intelligence was killed/defeated.
With him sacrificing the soldier in this episode, I'm fairly certain he actually did push the Clockwork Leader in the last episode.
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so no, I would say, Dr 12 is not a good man
The soldier was dead anyway. The most the Doctor did was give him false hope. It's not like he could have saved him if he wanted to.
The clockwork leader had to die.
Personally, I think he is a good man.
I wouldn't mind at all if they just conveniently forgot that half-baked, anti-climactic mystery. Current Clara being Twelth's voice of reason is much better than that impossible girl stuff.
aHebrewMenagerie
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Holy shit, I just realized something. In the leaks (i'm not going to spoiler tag because it's already aired, and I guessed it was cut), Rusty teleported onto the Dalek ship and self-destructed. I'm really curious as to why they changed that.
Also, the space scenes looked REALLY good from a CGI standpoint.
forgeforsaken
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I think they realized the potential to revisit him later was much more interesting than killing him off.
peanutbutterlatte
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Fuck, I love that conclusion. And a conflicted, anti-hero Dalek who might reappear in the future? An amazing idea.
I think they struck a nice balance effects-wise. The CGI in the space scenes looked great indeed, and I loved the ship designs, but I absolutely adored the more "cheesy", low-budget effects like in the miniaturization scene, the psychedelic goo stuff (I want a whole episode to look like that!), when they were falling into the waste thing, or when they were going up with the bat-grappling hook thing. Those scenes were pretty charming in a way I can't quite put my finger on but I love.
peanutbutterlatte
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Also, dat Shuma-Gorath Dalek mutant.
ClivePwned
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Just watched Into the Dalek. Dark. But pretty good.
Dr Zhivago
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Fridays BBC 3, usually.
To be fair, Gretchen seemed to come up with the idea independently. Unless the Doctor Derren Browned the idea into her!
Jest Chillin
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I dug this episode and I like that they're continuing to acknowledge that The Doctor isn't all good given the actions he's taken or allowed to happen in the past. It's like a little bit of Captain Jack in Torchwood has finally seeped into 12.
BBC3 in an hour, too
Bobby Roberts
Banned
My surprise was in that they didn't actually use a flashback of Eccleston with spittle all over his lip screaming DIE at the Dalek. I admired the restraint there. Thought for sure that was going to come up.
Nah, I think she came up with the idea herself - but there's a reason Wheatley cut to Capaldi just as she starts to suggest it, and holds on him for a few seconds. He probably could have come up with something - and decided not to. He basically let her sacrifice herself right there without even uttering a syllable of protest. You even get a shot of him essentially running away from her after she's made her call.
paradox121
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Couple of small things on rewatch: the music is, as people have already said, amazing in this episode. I love the little piece as Clara and the others are climbing up the wall. Very old-school 60s sci-fi.
And some really smooth TARDIS to outside transitions, particularly going from the school cupboard. They really seem to just nail it nowadays without awkward cuts.
Personal favourite Doctor quote (episode was brimming with them):
Doctor: This is gun girl. She's got a gun, and she's a girl. And this is the sort of boss one. Are you the same one as before?
Morgan: Yes
Doctor: I think he's probably her uncle, but I may have made that up to pass the time while they were talking.
I love that the 12th Doctor basically teeters on the edge of breaking the fourth wall with all his character deconstructions.
And some really smooth TARDIS to outside transitions, particularly going from the school cupboard. They really seem to just nail it nowadays without awkward cuts.
Personal favourite Doctor quote (episode was brimming with them):
Doctor: This is gun girl. She's got a gun, and she's a girl. And this is the sort of boss one. Are you the same one as before?
Morgan: Yes
Doctor: I think he's probably her uncle, but I may have made that up to pass the time while they were talking.
I love that the 12th Doctor basically teeters on the edge of breaking the fourth wall with all his character deconstructions.
StopMakingSense
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I loved the "It's a bit more exciting when you go the other way" bit.
Also, Capaldi kicking the door to the Tardis open when he had his hands full.
Vincent Alexander
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Doctor Who - Season 6 Complete
I'm throwing down the gauntlet here---Season 6 is so far the best season of Doctor Who. It was the most consistent season in terms of good episodes, although hardly any of them blew me away. It absolutely destroys the snoozefest of Season 5. Here comes my ramble! As always, thank you to those who spend the time to read. I don't have enough people to discuss this with in real life.
The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon
Best opener to a season. I know a lot of people loved Season 5, but that opener was ruined by it's terrible villain and ending speech (the speech was good, but ruined for me by the hologram replay of past events). In all honesty, what the Hell wasn't good about this? The Impossible Astronaut had, what I am convinced, is the best overall scene in any episode so far. From the 14 to 18 minute mark. Not a single. Bad. Line. The best acting. The best the actors have played off of each other. "Don't play games with me. Don't ever, ever think you're capable of that" sent shivers down my spine, and followed up with a beautiful slam on River when he mocked her for asking him to trust her. And then they followed it up with Amy telling him to trust her, and it was magic. And for the first time, I felt a real connection between Amy and the Doctor---when he completely shutdown River, but trusted in Amy. -applause-
The Curse of the Black Spot
Fun episode! Just a good ole' adventure episode. It was only ruined by Rory's long, drawn out death at the end....then oh my god, he breathed again! He lives! Really? Did that just happen?
The Doctor's Wife
I have a very, very strong feeling that a lot of people loved this episode. I hated it. It is actually my least favorite episode of the show. This is a perfect example of a great idea executed poorly. It hardly did anything right though. The only good moment was Amy telling the Doctor he only wanted to find another Time Lord so he could be forgiven. The statement was TERRIBLY setup, and slapped in there by the writer with no proper reasoning, but Matt Smith's acting absolutely nailed the tone when he replied "Wouldn't you want to be forgiven?" or something along those lines. I hated the bodiless villain, who at the end when the TARDIS is released back to the....TARDIS (?), we hear "No. Nooo. Nooooooo" over and over, symbolizing the death of the villain as the TARDIS weeds him out. It was sooo cheap and weak. But what I hated most was Idris herself. This show has waaaay too many whacky, goofy characters. And you know what? I'm now stuck with this whacky personality as the embodiment of the TARDIS. Every previous and future episode is tainted. I'm no longer given the creative freedom to think of the TARDIS as some living, thinking thing with whatever esoteric personality I want....because the writers have now shown us the TARDIS. And is it sad I thought of Firefly after this episode...and how much more I love Serenity, and feel a stronger bond with Serenity, than the actual ship who had a chance to speak? Not sure if that is a mark against Doctor Who, are just how great of a show Firefly is. This was also the episode where I realized who River is. I said "Are they about to pull a damn J K Rowling?" She loves giving away all mystery with her character names, and it clicked "Pond" and "River", and I told myself that can't be a coincidence. I was right.
The Rebel Flesh/The Almost People
Another fun episode! And made even better that it served a real purpose by the end of it. However, it closed up a little too nicely. It was too convenient that not a single double existed by the end. It was either the original, or the dopple.
A Good Man Goes to War
Umm.....good episode, I think? A letdown though if we consider this is the grand moment River talked up in Season 4, when the Doctor was some magnificent, grand person. He could open the TARDIS with a snap of his fingers, and make whole armies flee with no bloodshed! Well...who gives a shit if a whole army ran, as we see it was a ruse anyway?! You spoke of this great event, and it was a sham anywho. I would've rather we never saw such an event, and it was left to our imagination to picture whatever grand things she spoke of when we first met her. But it was still a good episode....but one more thing. River said the Doctor would rise higher than he ever has, than sink to his lowest. Well.....he didn't seem to sink very low. He had a couple minutes of being grumpy, then River came, revealed identity, and everything was fine again. Sooo....what? This show needs to learn to meet expectations.
Let's Kill Hitler
Entertaining, though completely stupid they introduced Mel here. Shows their lack of planning ahead, that we'd never seen her before. And the moment we met the justice people in the fake body, I called it there that it was this fake body that would fill in for the Doctor's episode in the end. Nailed it!
Night Terrors
An episode that seemed far too interested in being "creepy" than telling a good story.
The Girl Who Waited
Another episode with a great idea, executed poorly. Far too long. Far too drawn out. Way too much talking, of us hearing the characters say things they've said time and time again in previous episodes. The Doctor closing the door on future Amy at the end was cold as Hell, and I loved it. But then there was another long, drawn out speech between Rory and future Amy.....I felt no real emotion this episode, and I felt like it should be pulling at my heartstrings.
The God Complex
Now this could've been my favorite of the season. It just needed cleaned up a bit. My only strong critique is that we couldn't hear the "Monster" talk. Why did the TARDIS translator just stop working?! A lot of what the Doctor was saying out loud for the monster would've had a strong emotional impact, especially his last words to the Doctor, IF they came out of his mouth! Not the Doctors! This one, simply thing took the episode down a strong notch.
Closing Time
Nooooooo! Not this guy again. But okay....this was actually a pretty good episode. Death by love was dumb, and this human is actually kind of annoying.....and the baby translating is annoying.....but Matt Smith has grown on me this season, and he carried the episode.
The Wedding of River Song
What the banana happened here?! Someone needed to go back and re-watch the opening of the season. I don't care about the craziness it all turned into, but I don't like that the tone of episode 1/2 was GONE. And I'm not sure if I applaud or sneer at River making a comment at the end about how she lies all the time, and she has pretended to not recognize this or that, etc. All I heard was "the writer's need an erase button for past inconsistencies with me". I liked the episode, but week compared to the strong setup.
That concludes season 6 for me! If you find it odd I wrote that much negative stuff and still loved the season, trust me...I could write waaaay more for some of the other seasons. But season 6 was the first season to have a lot of simple, fun, adventure episodes! I am soooo damn tired of "my god, the world is going to end!" or "Bob is going to die!" episodes. If I want to watch a show where they dangle apocalyptic scenarios and character deaths in my face 24/7 for emotional impact and tension, I'll watch Bleach or Naruto. As well, I want to know what changed between season 5 and 6. There were some amazingly well shot scenes the likes of which have never been in Doctor Who before. The camera was so much more interesting this time around.
Beautiful.
I'm throwing down the gauntlet here---Season 6 is so far the best season of Doctor Who. It was the most consistent season in terms of good episodes, although hardly any of them blew me away. It absolutely destroys the snoozefest of Season 5. Here comes my ramble! As always, thank you to those who spend the time to read. I don't have enough people to discuss this with in real life.
The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon
Best opener to a season. I know a lot of people loved Season 5, but that opener was ruined by it's terrible villain and ending speech (the speech was good, but ruined for me by the hologram replay of past events). In all honesty, what the Hell wasn't good about this? The Impossible Astronaut had, what I am convinced, is the best overall scene in any episode so far. From the 14 to 18 minute mark. Not a single. Bad. Line. The best acting. The best the actors have played off of each other. "Don't play games with me. Don't ever, ever think you're capable of that" sent shivers down my spine, and followed up with a beautiful slam on River when he mocked her for asking him to trust her. And then they followed it up with Amy telling him to trust her, and it was magic. And for the first time, I felt a real connection between Amy and the Doctor---when he completely shutdown River, but trusted in Amy. -applause-
The Curse of the Black Spot
Fun episode! Just a good ole' adventure episode. It was only ruined by Rory's long, drawn out death at the end....then oh my god, he breathed again! He lives! Really? Did that just happen?
The Doctor's Wife
I have a very, very strong feeling that a lot of people loved this episode. I hated it. It is actually my least favorite episode of the show. This is a perfect example of a great idea executed poorly. It hardly did anything right though. The only good moment was Amy telling the Doctor he only wanted to find another Time Lord so he could be forgiven. The statement was TERRIBLY setup, and slapped in there by the writer with no proper reasoning, but Matt Smith's acting absolutely nailed the tone when he replied "Wouldn't you want to be forgiven?" or something along those lines. I hated the bodiless villain, who at the end when the TARDIS is released back to the....TARDIS (?), we hear "No. Nooo. Nooooooo" over and over, symbolizing the death of the villain as the TARDIS weeds him out. It was sooo cheap and weak. But what I hated most was Idris herself. This show has waaaay too many whacky, goofy characters. And you know what? I'm now stuck with this whacky personality as the embodiment of the TARDIS. Every previous and future episode is tainted. I'm no longer given the creative freedom to think of the TARDIS as some living, thinking thing with whatever esoteric personality I want....because the writers have now shown us the TARDIS. And is it sad I thought of Firefly after this episode...and how much more I love Serenity, and feel a stronger bond with Serenity, than the actual ship who had a chance to speak? Not sure if that is a mark against Doctor Who, are just how great of a show Firefly is. This was also the episode where I realized who River is. I said "Are they about to pull a damn J K Rowling?" She loves giving away all mystery with her character names, and it clicked "Pond" and "River", and I told myself that can't be a coincidence. I was right.
The Rebel Flesh/The Almost People
Another fun episode! And made even better that it served a real purpose by the end of it. However, it closed up a little too nicely. It was too convenient that not a single double existed by the end. It was either the original, or the dopple.
A Good Man Goes to War
Umm.....good episode, I think? A letdown though if we consider this is the grand moment River talked up in Season 4, when the Doctor was some magnificent, grand person. He could open the TARDIS with a snap of his fingers, and make whole armies flee with no bloodshed! Well...who gives a shit if a whole army ran, as we see it was a ruse anyway?! You spoke of this great event, and it was a sham anywho. I would've rather we never saw such an event, and it was left to our imagination to picture whatever grand things she spoke of when we first met her. But it was still a good episode....but one more thing. River said the Doctor would rise higher than he ever has, than sink to his lowest. Well.....he didn't seem to sink very low. He had a couple minutes of being grumpy, then River came, revealed identity, and everything was fine again. Sooo....what? This show needs to learn to meet expectations.
Let's Kill Hitler
Entertaining, though completely stupid they introduced Mel here. Shows their lack of planning ahead, that we'd never seen her before. And the moment we met the justice people in the fake body, I called it there that it was this fake body that would fill in for the Doctor's episode in the end. Nailed it!
Night Terrors
An episode that seemed far too interested in being "creepy" than telling a good story.
The Girl Who Waited
Another episode with a great idea, executed poorly. Far too long. Far too drawn out. Way too much talking, of us hearing the characters say things they've said time and time again in previous episodes. The Doctor closing the door on future Amy at the end was cold as Hell, and I loved it. But then there was another long, drawn out speech between Rory and future Amy.....I felt no real emotion this episode, and I felt like it should be pulling at my heartstrings.
The God Complex
Now this could've been my favorite of the season. It just needed cleaned up a bit. My only strong critique is that we couldn't hear the "Monster" talk. Why did the TARDIS translator just stop working?! A lot of what the Doctor was saying out loud for the monster would've had a strong emotional impact, especially his last words to the Doctor, IF they came out of his mouth! Not the Doctors! This one, simply thing took the episode down a strong notch.
Closing Time
Nooooooo! Not this guy again. But okay....this was actually a pretty good episode. Death by love was dumb, and this human is actually kind of annoying.....and the baby translating is annoying.....but Matt Smith has grown on me this season, and he carried the episode.
The Wedding of River Song
What the banana happened here?! Someone needed to go back and re-watch the opening of the season. I don't care about the craziness it all turned into, but I don't like that the tone of episode 1/2 was GONE. And I'm not sure if I applaud or sneer at River making a comment at the end about how she lies all the time, and she has pretended to not recognize this or that, etc. All I heard was "the writer's need an erase button for past inconsistencies with me". I liked the episode, but week compared to the strong setup.
That concludes season 6 for me! If you find it odd I wrote that much negative stuff and still loved the season, trust me...I could write waaaay more for some of the other seasons. But season 6 was the first season to have a lot of simple, fun, adventure episodes! I am soooo damn tired of "my god, the world is going to end!" or "Bob is going to die!" episodes. If I want to watch a show where they dangle apocalyptic scenarios and character deaths in my face 24/7 for emotional impact and tension, I'll watch Bleach or Naruto. As well, I want to know what changed between season 5 and 6. There were some amazingly well shot scenes the likes of which have never been in Doctor Who before. The camera was so much more interesting this time around.
Beautiful.
APZonerunner
Member
Didn't expect this after you hating Series 5. Then again, loving 6 if you hate 5 makes a certain degree of sense, I guess. But, wow. Like the anti-me in some parts of this - hating The Doctor's Wife and finding The Girl Who Waited middling, and I'd put The Impossible Astronaut middle of the pack on series openers, not top..!
TestMonkey
Member
Where did this anti-soldier position come from? Aside from the companions who were already soldiers like Jack Harkness and Thrax in the modern series, the Doctor turns most of his companions into paramilitary anyways like Amy and Rory. Did I miss something?
It's not really new. Ten hated UNIT when he first saw them, though not as much as 12 obviously. Davros says something about how he never carries a gun but turns his companions into weapons.
New Doctor; but The Doctor has always disliked authority and military figures.
Also Jack is not a soldier; and Strax is being punished and does not travel with him.
The anti-soldier position is certainly a recent invention. Harry Sullivan was UNIT Lieutenant, for instance, and that was never a problem. Seems like it's mostly there to generate drama since the new guy introduced earlier in the episode used to be a soldier, so there's bound to be a scene once the two inevitably meet up.
BlackGhost
Banned
Weak episode for me, Especially for a Dalek one. Peter definitely has a more serious vibe though.
Clara looks really pretty this season
Clara looks really pretty this season
aHebrewMenagerie
Member
My personal opinion is that this is pretty much one of the better ones of the new series, though, I've pretty much enjoyed every Dalek story, so my opinion doesn't mean much.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I think I like this. If the show continues and Missy keeps greeting people who have chosen to sacrifice themselves in front of the Doctor...
I wonder if "Am I a Good Man" is this season's "question," and Missy is waiting at the end of the season with a small squadron of sacrifices as her answer, which will of course be "No you're not."
This would be the perfect spot for Rory and Amy to pop back up and let the Doctor have it for them being time locked in New York in the '30s not to mention Rory ceasing to exist one time. Or maybe Adam Mitchell. Besides I just want to see Karen Gillian yell at Peter Capaldi during an episode.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Like Amy & Rory? I dunno, that might be too soon for them to come popping back up. Besides which I don't think they really sacrificed themselves, not in the way we've seen this android and the soldier.
Would Astrid Peth count, though? That might be cool.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I really liked this episode, much more than the premiere. And I actually found the premiere to be pretty solid, with the exception of some odd comedic choices.
Clara is really stepping up as a character. I'm already enjoying this more than last season.
Clara is really stepping up as a character. I'm already enjoying this more than last season.
aHebrewMenagerie
Member
I honestly think it would feel weird to see Amy and Rory with any Doctor other than 11.
I'm still not sure what to make of Doctor #12. Capaldi's execution is fine but the decision to change the characterization so dramatically is jarring and seems overly forced. There's a real lack of continuity of character that just doesn't seem justified in the events that led up to #12. Even the War Doctor showed more continuity with 10 and 11 than 12 does.
Meanwhile Clara's picked up the slack as a genuinely likable and meaningful character in the proceedings. It's almost a 180 of both roles.
Meanwhile Clara's picked up the slack as a genuinely likable and meaningful character in the proceedings. It's almost a 180 of both roles.
IdreamofHIME
Member
That was a genuinely awful episode. Felt like something that could have been on an episode of Sarah Jane Adventures. It tried to be dark, but kept wandering into camp and corny.
That solider was just about the most one dimensional character they could have created and added the bonus of a terrible actress.
The stupid parallels and difference between Mr Pink/Clara and Blue/Doctor was worthy of some major eye rolling.
That solider was just about the most one dimensional character they could have created and added the bonus of a terrible actress.
The stupid parallels and difference between Mr Pink/Clara and Blue/Doctor was worthy of some major eye rolling.
I think it's commonly accepted Amy and Rory lived long and fulfilling lives after being sent to 30s New York so bring them back doesn't make much sense in that context imo.
I wouldn't mind seeing someone like say Adelaide Brooke from The Waters of Mars return however, that would be a nice tie-in.
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Anyway, I don't think it was great but I quite liked Into the Dalek. I really don't like Daleks but they're fine when used in an interesting way. This was definitely interesting. I still don't like this Doctor but I at least thought he was more interesting in this episode. I'd say the way he's been letting people die makes for a better character. More of that please. Clara continues to steal the show for me and Danny seems interesting so far.
Robots of Sherwood looks like it's gonna be shit though. Can anyone who watched / read the leaks say if they enjoyed it? :x
I wouldn't mind seeing someone like say Adelaide Brooke from The Waters of Mars return however, that would be a nice tie-in.
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Anyway, I don't think it was great but I quite liked Into the Dalek. I really don't like Daleks but they're fine when used in an interesting way. This was definitely interesting. I still don't like this Doctor but I at least thought he was more interesting in this episode. I'd say the way he's been letting people die makes for a better character. More of that please. Clara continues to steal the show for me and Danny seems interesting so far.
He's also quite hot, damn ;o
Robots of Sherwood looks like it's gonna be shit though. Can anyone who watched / read the leaks say if they enjoyed it? :x
paradox121
Member
I actually think 12 and Amy would be amazing together. Just as this sarcastic, Scottish pair who basically hate everyone.
Rory would hate him though.
I liked it, I think quite a few people won't though. It's worth it for one or two really funny scenes alone I think.
Don't forget he just came right off the back of a centuries old war where he and the village he was protecting pretty much became soldiers out of having no other viable choice.
And he's never liked guns (used them on occasion, though) going back to the classic series.
Hot Coldman
Banned
He's the Doctor honed to a sharp point. Every opinion and attitude he had before has had the wishy-washyness squeezed out of it. No more cringing at salutes or ocassional appropriation of military tactics - he hates soldiers, and that's the bottom line.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I was moving yesterday, so I missed this. Better than the first episode, to be sure. I didn't even mind the stuff with Clara and the dude. Seeing Capaldi really getting his Doctor on has reassured me that he's going to be great in this role. A darker Doctor for sure. Not a whole lot of depth to the story, other than the usual stuff about the Doctor and his relationship with the Daleks, but sometimes you just want a fun tour
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Honestly, I could see the transition from happy, bubbly 11th doctor to the darker edgier 12th doctor.
Basically he spent the last 400 or so years in war in Trenzelore, so this doctor is kind of like Eccleston's 9th doctor, but with more of an edge because of age and experience. He has also been in war for a big chunk of the 11th doctor's life, so he has seen so much death and destruction that he probably has hardened himself to it.
With that said, I love the darker doctor. Capaldi kills it in his role, he is absolutely amazing, and a lessor actor would have a hard time pulling it off so convincingly.
Also, like with Christophe Eccleston's doctor, I imagine that he will get a little less darker over time. So if you don't like him now, he will probably lose much of that edge by the time series 9 is gone since he is just reacquainting with and getting to know humans again after so much war and death.
Basically he spent the last 400 or so years in war in Trenzelore, so this doctor is kind of like Eccleston's 9th doctor, but with more of an edge because of age and experience. He has also been in war for a big chunk of the 11th doctor's life, so he has seen so much death and destruction that he probably has hardened himself to it.
With that said, I love the darker doctor. Capaldi kills it in his role, he is absolutely amazing, and a lessor actor would have a hard time pulling it off so convincingly.
Also, like with Christophe Eccleston's doctor, I imagine that he will get a little less darker over time. So if you don't like him now, he will probably lose much of that edge by the time series 9 is gone since he is just reacquainting with and getting to know humans again after so much war and death.
I liked this episode more than the first one, not bad. Capaldi is doing a very good job so far.
everyone did, they were magically fine I guess.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
They could have gone flashback crazy honestly, War Doctor slamming the Tardis into Daleks, Ninth screaming Die, Tenth Metacrisis wiping out Davros's fleet, Eleventh kicking Ironside.
DrForester
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Does Terry own them, or do they have to pay the estate royalties when they are used?
Sounds similar to something from Star Trek. Paramount owns all the Star Trek characters, but when they were preparing for Star Trek: Voyager, they based one of the main characters off a one-off character from a TNG show (even got the same actor). They changed his name and gave him a slightly different back story from the TNG episode so they wouldn't have to pay royalties every episode to the writer of that TNG episode.
TetraxShards
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Terry Nation's estate owns them. They also have to use the Daleks once per series or they lose the rights.
Who will then be wiped out by an army of the people the Doctor has saved over the years, ala The Wedding of River Song. Because Moffat.
(Not that I'm complaining, I love Moffat, but yeah, that's how he would end it.)
And I kind of echo someone from a previous page in saying this, but I can't imagine what they would do with the Daleks if the BBC were willing to let those rights go. You can't have the Daleks without the Doctor any more than you can have the Doctor without the Daleks. I mean, I imagine it's probably just a negotiation ploy to ensure that the BBC continuously sends a check every season, but if the BBC were willing to say, "Well, no more Daleks, for reals this time," what on earth would the estate even do?
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