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[Loco4Coco]

Game&Watch reveal incoming?

 

[BGBW]

Like I said, it's just a common term used, don't take it so literally. Most people I know use "scrub" when they're trying to be derogatory or mean about it.

The problem is that post 2006 the term casual has become a derogatory term in the world of gaming (heaven knows why). It implies someone of less ability and thus instantly causes a rift. No one wants to be seen as lesser and thus is fight for their own reputation. When a label is enough of a catalyst to cause arguments there will always be fights.

That's why I suggested coming up with terms like serious vs non-serious. Using serious can then include those who have a high interest in Smash but not necessarily an interest in the tournament scene (i.e. their interest may be in the Nintendo fan service side of things). The terms also have no implication of skill thus both sides are on a neutral level.

 

[Mariolee]

Game&Watch reveal incoming?

But why?

 

[powerdrain]

Alright, I haven't put up my roster prediction so here it is:

This roster would be so perfect. The only characters I don't care for are Dark Pit and Falco. If DP turns out unique from Pit I won't mind as much, but still disappointed with Falco since Wolf's normals were all new whereas only some of Falco's were modified but were still functioning like Fox's.

Guess we won't know until release for sure though.

 

[J@hranimo]

IT's 3AM

Sakurai, save us from this!

 

[emb]

Also, in my posts on this topic, I have said many times that not EVERYONE is like those horrible "pro" players. I have said straight up that I've met friendly players in that community. Very few, but I have met them. It seems you have assumed a lot about me that is very inaccurate.

Surely you can understand how this is a generalization:

Absolutely. Can't stand that talk and the people who create it.

Smash 4 should be judged on how great a game and how great a celebration of Nintendo's history it is, not on how successfully it appeals to a very small, very obnoxious subset of Smash players.

So you're basically saying here that you hate all talk about Smash 4's tournament viability, and all the people that even bring it up. How dare people be interested in the game. Again in the second paragraph, you're saying that tournament players as a whole are obnoxious (and for some reason you also call them out for being in the minority. Sorry for there being less of us... :[ )

I know you didn't necessarily mean it to be so general and inflammatory... but that's definitely how that post came out.

And can I say, by the way, that a HUGE part of the problem is "pro" players calling anyone who doesn't play like them "casuals" (like you just did). It's NOT that binary. You can play seriously and competitively under any rule set. The fact that I don't like to play on only two stages with items off and characters banned doesn't mean I'm suddenly a casual Smash player. It's derogatory and dismissive, and that's where the severe distaste a lot of us have for that community begins. It's completely, utterly justified.

Casual is a sort of derogatory term, yeah. That's just how the language has turned out though. It's the same issue with the casual/hardcore dichotomy Nintendo set up when they were marketing the Wii. It makes it sound like 'casual' players are lesser players, and that kinda sucks. It's more or less just a heuristic though. Players who aren't as serious about the game (that is, casual) are more likely to use all of the wacky items and stages, while those trying to get into the game more probably use a stricter ruleset.

Do you have better terms to suggest? Or should any distinction even be made?

 

[DecoReturns]

Since I'm a casual player, does anybody have any good/exciting competitive matches worth watching?

 

[johnbone]

When do you think we'll have an official OT for the 3DS version?

 

[spyhunterzero]

I never paid attention to it until somebody PMed me about it lol.

ehehehe
It became kinda of a wait game to see when you would become a Member. Plus that avy lol

 

[WonderRade]

Guys, he is taking his time, Music probably takes longer to upload.

Amirite? Amirite?

 

[Jawmuncher]

IT's 3AM

Sakurai, save us from this!

It's either something really good or really bad.
There will be no Inbetween now.

 

[Roo]

I just read about the rumored Nintendo Direct. Is it true or it was fake?

 

[Zomba13]

Pic is late. Smash is cancelled. Better luck next time Ridley. Ice Climbers Smash 5!

 

[OricWindstar]

When do you think we'll have an official OT for the 3DS version?

A week before NA launch.

 

[The Xtortionist]

You talking about when he smacks him off the ledge with his supersized fist? I definitely don't remember that from Brawl. (I was a Bowser and Mr. G&W main) He looks so good in SSB4. :-D

One of the players' Ftilt (looks like a punch, yeah) stuffed the other player's Up B clean like twice in a row (prolly could have gotten three if he wanted) before it auto-attached to the ledge. I wonder if the player knew about it, or if he discovered and exploited it on the fly? Super impressive, either way.

This is what I'm talking about

 

[johnbone]

Guys, he is taking his time, Music probably takes longer to upload.

Amirite? Amirite?

I would be perfectly content with that!

 

[KHlover]

You'd have a point if Competitive vs non-competitive (I actually agree with Ash here, not being competitive in the regular sense doesn't make you casual, it just makes you non-competitive. Even if the use of the word "casual" isn't ill-willed - which it totally is by some elemnts in the competitive scene btw - it generally bears a negative connotation in the gaming crown in general and thus should be avoided in this context) was actually a fun debate, which it absolutely isn't.

 

[Boss Doggie]

well, what are we gonna do to keep ourselves sane?

 

[Pikma]

Guys, you're losing your minds. Don't blow it this close to the release!

Dat avatar

 

[SkullHydra]

Guys, he is taking his time, Music probably takes longer to upload.

Amirite? Amirite?

It must be Ridley. That upload must be massive.

 

[Captain Rage Quit 69]

Guys I can't sleep and I have class tomorrow.

Why does Sakurai hate me? ;~;

 

[Rychu Supadude]

The only Snake I like

Pikma pls

 

[Dimitri LH]

I just read about the rumored Nintendo Direct. Is it true or it was fake?

Rumor? First I hear of this.

 

[Mariolee]

STAGE BUILDER PLEASE.

 

[CriterionDog]

Sakurai, tonight, give me Falco or give me death!

Spoiler

Preferably Falco, tonight.

 

[johnbone]

A week before NA launch.

Really, so nothing for the Japanese launch?

Considering the amount of people importing, you'd think we'd at least get an impressions thread similar to Hyrule warriors.

 

[WonderRade]

well, what are we gonna do to keep ourselves sane?

I already posted all the spongebob smash crossovers I got

 

[SkullHydra]

Dat avatar

Pikma pls.

 

[NA48]

It's either something really good or really bad.
There will be no Inbetween now.

Last time it was late, it was the music right? Because they had to update the site?

Might be more tracks.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Fixed. I want that Days of Ruin love.
Though this is if for some reason snake is absolutely impossible for a return.

I'm totally down with a Pokémon Trainer-like moveset now with the Mech, Recon, and Tank. Have every CO that has ever been playable be a possible background character

Andy
Sami
Max
Nell
Hachi
Jake
Rachel
Will
Lin
Brenner
Olaf
Grit
Colin
Sasha
Kanbei
Sonja
Sensei
Grimm
Eagle
Drake
Jess
Javier
Sturm
Hawke
Lash
Adder
Flak
Von Bolt
Kindle
Koal
Jugger
Tasha
Caulder
Waylon
Greyfield
Forscythe
Gage
Isabella
Tabitha
Penny
The Beast

Every single one. 43 Final Smashes BB

Also I want this song in Smash

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4_xaaNdg1o

 

[Makai]

I will take this avatar and make it my own.

All will know and respect the title of Captain.

Welcome Captain Rage Quit 69 -> User Control Panel -> Edit Avatar

 

[MaverickHunterAsh]

You're making completely dismissive generalizations and justifying the ridiculous "No Fun Allowed" crap that spawned from casual players who hate people who aren't playing by their strict for "fun" ruleset.

Basically, casual players can call people tourney***gs, they can call them autistic, but the moment a tournament player says that Brawl sucked... oooh, what an asshole! All tourney players are jerks and the tournament scene is awful!

He's talking about the word tourneyfag being used as a slur against competitive players being far, far, far, far more prevalent than competitive players dismissing the other side, not saying that you used it (afaik)


Also I find it the opposite, most competitive players don't give a shit about how the other side plays as long as they can keep their mechanics that make the game more interesting and either make it separate from casual play or make it more accessible to everyone.


There aren't any other words to describe it that quickly and easily though, also competitive players don't have characters banned and they don't play with only two stages, mr. generalisation.

There are even rulesets for tournaments that have items turned on for tournaments, it's just that nobody uses them because it's far less interesting in a tournament setting and what they do add to the game is ruined by all the random factors.

Okay, I see where you're coming from. My opinion on the "pro" community remains the same, but as always I recognize that there are certainly exceptions.

But let me make it perfectly clear that I know there are people who are just as bad on the "casual" side, and I hate them just as much. Anyone who has or would ever use the term "tourneyfag" is not someone I would ever associate with. I have and would never imply that it's okay for "us" to use those kinds of slurs to describe "them." I HATE that shit.

 

[random25]

ehehehe
It became kinda of a wait game to see when you would become a Member. Plus that avy lol

You really do love my Ayanami avatar. *High Fives*

 

[WonderRade]

Ill take any excuse I can get for some advance wars music in smash

 

[Roo]

Rumor? First I hear of this.

Yup

http://www.gonintendo.com/s/236371-rumor-nintendo-direct-announcement-coming-tomorrow

 

[CriterionDog]

PERSONALLY I PREFER THE AIR

 

[Pikma]

You'd have a point if Competitive vs non-competitive (I actually agree with Ash here, not being competitive in the regular sense doesn't make you casual, it just makes you non-competitive. Even if the use of the word "casual" isn't ill-willed - which it totally is by some elemnts in the competitive scene btw - it bears a negative connotation since it is used negatively in the gaming crown in general) was actually a fun debate, which it absolutely isn't.

Hey hey hey, don't get me into the debate, I posted it because getting the thread temporarily locked would shit on everyone's pie, not just the pie from the few guys arguing

 

[Anth0ny]

WOAH WOAH WOAH

ACTUAL IMPORTANT NEWS TIME

D1 was talking on his stream about the Wii U version at PAX. He says he was using Pikachu and trying to space forward airs. If you don't know what I'm talking about, lets say Pikachu is facing left. You space a fair by jumping, hitting left on the c stick, then holding right on the analog stick. This allows the character to weave back, usually to get out of your opponent's range.

Anyways, he tried this with the c stick, and Pikachu barely weaved back. Then he tried it again with just the A button and analog stick... and apparently Pikachu had WAY more aerial control. That is REALLY weird. Basically, the game is acting differently depending on your method of input, even though you're doing the same action. That's really strange. Kinda sounds like a glitch, honestly.

It's 15:00 into this video.

 

[Nanashrew]

Guys, you're losing your minds. Don't blow it this close to the release!

Psssh like I had any sanity to begin with. I'm always coming up with stupid Mario lore.

 

[Jawmuncher]

Last time it was late, it was the music right? Because they had to update the site?

Might be more tracks.

So we need at least one kick ass track or one really bad track so I'm not completely wrong.

I'm totally down with a Pokémon Trainer-like moveset now with the Mech, Recon, and Tank. Have every CO that has ever been playable be a possible background character

Andy
Sami
Max
Nell
Hachi
Jake
Rachel
Will
Lin
Brenner
Olaf
Grit
Colin
Sasha
Kanbei
Sonja
Sensei
Grimm
Eagle
Drake
Jess
Javier
Sturm
Hawke
Lash
Adder
Flak
Von Bolt
Kindle
Koal
Jugger
Tasha
Caulder
Waylon
Greyfield
Forscythe
Gage
Isabella
Tabitha
Penny
The Beast

Every single one. 43 Final Smashes BB

Also I want this song in Smash

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4_xaaNdg1o

I still do like this idea. All them final smashes.
Sogood.gif

 

[thefreecheese]

Since I'm a casual player, does anybody have any good/exciting competitive matches worth watching?

I found the E3 tournament exciting, mostly because it was a chance to see the game in action in a new way. The live crowd screaming along really added something as a spectator.
I also really enjoyed last year's EVO Melee finals. I had never really watched any EVO stuff, nor competitive Smash and seeing what these players could do with certain characters was neat.

 

[Zomba13]

PERSONALLY I PREFER THE AIR

*Jumps in Submarine*

Final Smash fixed!

 

[Benzychenz]

I can't decide which one I want for myself.

 

[SuperSah]

Yup

http://www.gonintendo.com/s/236371-rumor-nintendo-direct-announcement-coming-tomorrow

Would explain the late PotD?

More Smash 3DS, the better.

 

[Jawmuncher]

I can't decide which one I want for myself.

Yes was waiting for this.
That shulk pic is too good.

Pikma and foxuzamaki lost out it seems.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

Casual is a sort of derogatory term, yeah. That's just how the language has turned out though. It's the same issue with the casual/hardcore dichotomy Nintendo set up when they were marketing the Wii. It makes it sound like 'casual' players are lesser players, and that kinda sucks. It's more or less just a heuristic though. Players who aren't as serious about the game (that is, casual) are more likely to use all of the wacky items and stages, while those trying to get into the game more probably use a stricter ruleset.

It's not so much that we don't like being called casual players because casual players are lesser players, because that's kinda true, it's that the word casual is being misused on people that aren't casual.

For example, calling a nerd a nerd is fine because it's true, but calling someone who doesn't play sports a nerd may bother them because they know it's not true.

I know that analogy sucks, but it's the best I could come up with.

 

[SkullHydra]

WOAH WOAH WOAH

ACTUAL IMPORTANT NEWS TIME

D1 was talking on his stream about the Wii U version at PAX. He says he was using Pikachu and trying to space forward airs. If you don't know what I'm talking about, lets say Pikachu is facing left. You space a fair by jumping, hitting left on the c stick, then holding right on the analog stick. This allows the character to weave back, usually to get out of your opponent's range.

Anyways, he tried this with the c stick, and Pikachu barely weaved back. Then he tried it again with just the A button and analog stick... and apparently Pikachu had WAY more aerial control. That is REALLY weird. Basically, the game is acting differently depending on your method of input, even though you're doing the same action. That's really strange. Kinda sounds like a glitch, honestly.

It's 15:00 into this video.

Important... but sounds like it's just a glitch? I'm not sure how the two relate.

 

[Tripon]

We need someone to REP that middle shulk as a avatar. It's just perfect.

If I had photoshop and wasent hesitant if I still had my PS skills I would rep it really really hard, if someone does it for me I woud cherish them as friends forever

I'll do it if someone help me to edit it, I can't do it on my phone

Don't care who does it but hopefully someone helps out this noble cause. We can't let that shulk go to waste.

I think I can manage that.

Here. Somebody else can make it avatar size.

 

[WonderRade]

WOAH WOAH WOAH

ACTUAL IMPORTANT NEWS TIME

D1 was talking on his stream about the Wii U version at PAX. He says he was using Pikachu and trying to space forward airs. If you don't know what I'm talking about, lets say Pikachu is facing left. You space a fair by jumping, hitting left on the c stick, then holding right on the analog stick. This allows the character to weave back, usually to get out of your opponent's range.

Anyways, he tried this with the c stick, and Pikachu barely weaved back. Then he tried it again with just the A button and analog stick... and apparently Pikachu had WAY more aerial control. That is REALLY weird. Basically, the game is acting differently depending on your method of input, even though you're doing the same action. That's really strange. Kinda sounds like a glitch, honestly.

It's 15:00 into this video.

Which one offered more control? Is it essentially RAR from brawl?

 

[spyhunterzero]

You really do love my Ayanami avatar. *High Fives*

*High Fives*
It's just the way she makes that smile....it completes me hahahahaha